Content from DLCs in the basegame

"Nikkih;c-17932761" wrote:

"troshalom;c-17932695" wrote:
@Nikkih the hot tub thing didn't bother me, because in TS3 they released hot tubs in one pack and then in future packs they released different variations of hot tubs. I was stunned when they didn't do that in TS4. Kinda awful that there is a limitation in the style of hot tubs.

Also I was one of those people who refused to purchase a pack for a hot tub and was glad they gifted us the hot tub.

BTW for a game that is not a subscription game we should be grateful they do give us things free. Granted many things should've been base game as it was in the past, but over all, they can do whatever they want. Give freebies or not. Giving freebies keeps people engaged in the game and interested when new packs come out. Some may even purchase the pack after playing with freebies

Why should I be grateful getting something for free which I already bought ?, in the sims 3 hot tubs were never the main feature of a pack never in the sims 4 it is, that's like making washing machines & dryers for free, people actually bought this pack to get it then we get it free, if I'm being honest that would be a kick in the teeth, the people that didn't buy the pack of course would be happy and not bother @troshalom

I bought Laundry Day and would be really happy if washers and dryers were added to the base game. I would love to get some new meshes or even just colour swatches. Even better if I can create laundromats.

Why would logical people who bought the pack be upset when the people who didn’t buy the pack still won’t have the meshes/colour swatches from the pack? I can understand being angry if identical washers and dryers were suddenly added to the base game, but I doubt they would do that.

"g01denswan;c-17932914" wrote:

"Nikkih;c-17932761" wrote:

"troshalom;c-17932695" wrote:
@Nikkih the hot tub thing didn't bother me, because in TS3 they released hot tubs in one pack and then in future packs they released different variations of hot tubs. I was stunned when they didn't do that in TS4. Kinda awful that there is a limitation in the style of hot tubs.

Also I was one of those people who refused to purchase a pack for a hot tub and was glad they gifted us the hot tub.

BTW for a game that is not a subscription game we should be grateful they do give us things free. Granted many things should've been base game as it was in the past, but over all, they can do whatever they want. Give freebies or not. Giving freebies keeps people engaged in the game and interested when new packs come out. Some may even purchase the pack after playing with freebies

Why should I be grateful getting something for free which I already bought ?, in the sims 3 hot tubs were never the main feature of a pack never in the sims 4 it is, that's like making washing machines & dryers for free, people actually bought this pack to get it then we get it free, if I'm being honest that would be a kick in the teeth, the people that didn't buy the pack of course would be happy and not bother @troshalom

I bought Laundry Day and would be really happy if washers and dryers were added to the base game. I would love to get some new meshes or even just colour swatches. Even better if I can create laundromats.

Why would logical people who bought the pack be upset when the people who didn’t buy the pack still won’t have the meshes/colour swatches from the pack? I can understand being angry if identical washers and dryers were suddenly added to the base game, but I doubt they would do that.

I don't mind if small parts of packs are patched into the base game. Get to work still has plenty of content left after photography was added to the base game like the retail system and the active careers. Seasons will still have weather and holidays to make the pack worth it after the calendar becomes base game. But also smaller packs: toddler stuff still has the play dates after a hair was added to the base game. But what does perfect patio left now that hot tubs are base game? Absolutely nothing, just a few meshes/recolours of base game features. It's main selling point is gone. As someone who buys packs, even stuff packs for new content, I feel cheated. I bought the pack for hot tubs. If I had known it was nothing more than early access to hot tubs, I wouldn't have bought it.

Take your example for washers and dryers added to the base game. Should they be functional for people who don't have laundry day or only decorative? If they are functional for everyone than all the game play of laundry day would be base game and laundry day would add nothing to the game you can't do without the pack. New washers and dryers would be nice, but not if they make the original pack an empty box with 100% base game functionality.

"g01denswan;c-17932984" wrote:

"Atreya33;c-17932945" wrote:

"g01denswan;c-17932914" wrote:

"Nikkih;c-17932761" wrote:

"troshalom;c-17932695" wrote:
@Nikkih the hot tub thing didn't bother me, because in TS3 they released hot tubs in one pack and then in future packs they released different variations of hot tubs. I was stunned when they didn't do that in TS4. Kinda awful that there is a limitation in the style of hot tubs.

Also I was one of those people who refused to purchase a pack for a hot tub and was glad they gifted us the hot tub.

BTW for a game that is not a subscription game we should be grateful they do give us things free. Granted many things should've been base game as it was in the past, but over all, they can do whatever they want. Give freebies or not. Giving freebies keeps people engaged in the game and interested when new packs come out. Some may even purchase the pack after playing with freebies

Why should I be grateful getting something for free which I already bought ?, in the sims 3 hot tubs were never the main feature of a pack never in the sims 4 it is, that's like making washing machines & dryers for free, people actually bought this pack to get it then we get it free, if I'm being honest that would be a kick in the teeth, the people that didn't buy the pack of course would be happy and not bother @troshalom

I bought Laundry Day and would be really happy if washers and dryers were added to the base game. I would love to get some new meshes or even just colour swatches. Even better if I can create laundromats.

Why would logical people who bought the pack be upset when the people who didn’t buy the pack still won’t have the meshes/colour swatches from the pack? I can understand being angry if identical washers and dryers were suddenly added to the base game, but I doubt they would do that.

I don't mind if small parts of packs are patched into the base game. Get to work still has plenty of content left after photography was added to the base game like the retail system and the active careers. Seasons will still have weather and holidays to make the pack worth it after the calendar becomes base game. But also smaller packs: toddler stuff still has the play dates after a hair was added to the base game. But what does perfect patio left now that hot tubs are base game? Absolutely nothing, just a few meshes/recolours of base game features. It's main selling point is gone. As someone who buys packs, even stuff packs for new content, I feel cheated. I bought the pack for hot tubs. If I had known it was nothing more than early access to hot tubs, I wouldn't have bought it.

Take your example for washers and dryers added to the base game. Should they be functional for people who don't have laundry day or only decorative? If they are functional for everyone than all the game play of laundry day would be base game and laundry day would add nothing to the game you can't do without the pack. New washers and dryers would be nice, but not if they make the original pack an empty box with 100% base game functionality.

Perfect Patio still has all the other content. I didn’t buy it for the hot tubs, and EA never said that hot tubs were exclusive to the pack anyway. If simmers concluded that they were exclusive to the pack, perhaps they should examine why they reached that conclusion.

As for adding functional washers and dryers to the base game, the other content, including the wash tub and clothes line, would still only be available in Laundry Day.

I don’t understand why some people are so bothered that others also get to enjoy similar content.

Hot tubs were only available with this pack, they were the reason why the pack was created. In my book that means they were exclusive to that pack. But I suppose you have a point when you say EA never promised things would stay that way. EA has the right to put 100% of a pack into the base game. Even if it means paying customers feel cheated because the product they bought lost nearly all of its value.

As I said I don't mind if a part of the content of a pack becomes base game. As long as there is something left. And a nice looking bathing suit or new chair don't add any substantial to the game. There is nothing I can do with these items that can't be done with only the base game. This stuff pack is now little more than a big kit but twice as expensive. At least with kits we know we don't get any new gameplay.

I bought a pack that allowed something new to the game and ended up with a pack with purely cosmetic alternatives to base game content.

As for adding functional washers and dryers to the base game, the main feature would be gone from laundry day. There might be a tiny bit left if clothing lines would remain with the pack but it's reason to exist would be gone, the pack would be stripped from it's main feature. I hope EA won't pull another trick like they did with perfect patio. I would like new washers and dryers but I wish EA would patch them in for the users of that specific pack, not for base game.

I especially think this about hot tubs and content that came out as the main focus of a pack. I would also like it if they would add updated content to packs for those who bought the pack since doing so supports the game. That would really impress me.

"Atreya33;c-17932945" wrote:

"g01denswan;c-17932914" wrote:

"Nikkih;c-17932761" wrote:

"troshalom;c-17932695" wrote:
@Nikkih the hot tub thing didn't bother me, because in TS3 they released hot tubs in one pack and then in future packs they released different variations of hot tubs. I was stunned when they didn't do that in TS4. Kinda awful that there is a limitation in the style of hot tubs.

Also I was one of those people who refused to purchase a pack for a hot tub and was glad they gifted us the hot tub.

BTW for a game that is not a subscription game we should be grateful they do give us things free. Granted many things should've been base game as it was in the past, but over all, they can do whatever they want. Give freebies or not. Giving freebies keeps people engaged in the game and interested when new packs come out. Some may even purchase the pack after playing with freebies

Why should I be grateful getting something for free which I already bought ?, in the sims 3 hot tubs were never the main feature of a pack never in the sims 4 it is, that's like making washing machines & dryers for free, people actually bought this pack to get it then we get it free, if I'm being honest that would be a kick in the teeth, the people that didn't buy the pack of course would be happy and not bother @troshalom

I bought Laundry Day and would be really happy if washers and dryers were added to the base game. I would love to get some new meshes or even just colour swatches. Even better if I can create laundromats.

Why would logical people who bought the pack be upset when the people who didn’t buy the pack still won’t have the meshes/colour swatches from the pack? I can understand being angry if identical washers and dryers were suddenly added to the base game, but I doubt they would do that.

I don't mind if small parts of packs are patched into the base game. Get to work still has plenty of content left after photography was added to the base game like the retail system and the active careers. Seasons will still have weather and holidays to make the pack worth it after the calendar becomes base game. But also smaller packs: toddler stuff still has the play dates after a hair was added to the base game. But what does perfect patio left now that hot tubs are base game? Absolutely nothing, just a few meshes/recolours of base game features. It's main selling point is gone. As someone who buys packs, even stuff packs for new content, I feel cheated. I bought the pack for hot tubs. If I had known it was nothing more than early access to hot tubs, I wouldn't have bought it.

Take your example for washers and dryers added to the base game. Should they be functional for people who don't have laundry day or only decorative? If they are functional for everyone than all the game play of laundry day would be base game and laundry day would add nothing to the game you can't do without the pack. New washers and dryers would be nice, but not if they make the original pack an empty box with 100% base game functionality.

I’m fine with small items added.
Larger items I don’t feel is fair. Like the free hot tub gift ??‍♂️.
For Sims 4, hot tubs were exclusively in Perfect Patio Stuff and how long has that been out? No designs of tubs in other packs.
I’ve disabled Perfect Patio and just use the free one now. It’s the same model with an added roof ??‍♂️?.

I wouldn’t like laundry added to base game. To buy something specific then later it’s added free would feel frustrating.
Cool Kitchen has the ice cream maker but should that be added? Or the popcorn ? maker from Movie Hangout so everyone gets to experience them? Or a rainstorm so those without Seasons get to see some weather? ???‍♂️.

On the other hand, as someone who hasn’t bought Seasons, the calendar is coming and it looks connected with the new Cottage Living expansion.
I don’t think there’s going to be option to disable but I’ve managed without a calendar since 2014.

I am generally against it, I want Maxis to develop features for the game, not just make existing content free. If they make existing content free then it should be because they want to improve it or add more features to the game for everyone.

I agree to all the above.

This is what I found some days ago:

"Basegame" wooden floor:

https://i.ibb.co/1qW6Vhf/spaday1.png

Wall panels from Spa Day:

https://i.ibb.co/gy9hNNx/spaday2.png

It was obviously same set, but currently this floor panels are in the base game.

> @Sthenastia said: Maybe I'm weird but I think that currently we have too much items and things from the packs in the basegame but DLCs has still the same price and no new content to replace taken one. For example we have just a few wooden floors in the basegame. To implement more wooden patterns, EA could just add more swatches for existing floors but not, they reimplement a floor from Spa Day into the basegame. To be honest I feel that is is unfair for me as for a customer. I paid for something (DLC) and now, my product has less content then in a day I bought it, because someone moved some things to the base game and I have no other items/improvements instead.
>

I completely agree! Look at the upcoming pack, for the perfect example. The kids cooking and gardening and the awesome pond tool were clearly made for the pack and that’s what it looked like (to me) in the trailer. And then we find out that it’s going to be base game. I feel like a chunk of the expansion is being given away. Granted, the pack’s gameplay is much more interesting than the Sulani expansion…
And then the kitchen looks like a nicer version of the country kit, which is nice because the kit’s upper cabinets are weird mis-match style. But still…
It’s bad enough that packs seem to be more anemic anemic (like ROM not having matching upper cabinets or magic clutter items), but this kind of stuff just seems to be happening more. Like with the Decorator pack, this was THE perfect pack to give us customizable swatches (which can be done since we had it in prior games) and the trailer hinted at it since we see the decorator flipping through them (plus we could finally make the colors match), but no…. And the new bunk beds they gave us were ones we could have made ourselves, with the “why wasn’t it done for the update?” snapping of the desks, etc., when what they should have done was give us double beds to match the style of the single beds.
It’s very frustrating.

"Felicity;c-17928990" wrote:
The pond should be base game. It was base game in previous games. I was surprised when they didn't add it when they added terrain tools. But in Sims 2 and 3, you could ice skate on the ponds if it was cold enough in winter.

As far as giving away DLC stuff, they should at least retexture it. Heck, they could probably hire a gamechanger or well known CC maker to do the retexturing for them. Why not? They're having gamechangers make the houses now. I actually think it's a good cost-saving measure. Influencer is happy to be selected, and they don't have to worry about fulltime pay or a benefits package. They already tested the water with this in a previous patch; I don't think it was poorly received.

Wait, not to derail the thread, but is the pond tool actually not BG? I know it was in the livestream, but they went over free update stuff as well. From the beginning I was pretty sure it was.