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- DaWaterRat4 years agoSeasoned AceWell, the biggest Gaming Convention in the US just added pronouns to their badges, so it's not unheard of in Real Life Meatspace...
https://twitter.com/Gen_Con/status/1483846835416485888
But I'm out of this thread. Have fun arguing about something that likely won't see the light of day for several months. "phantasmkiss;c-18040626" wrote:
1. I love the idea of being able to set pronouns.
2. Somebody please explain those pronouns being "next to their name," as I no longer have time to watch livestreams. I'd like to see the he/her/they in Notifications, but not next to every appearance of a Sim's name in the game.
@phantasmkiss
An earlier comment from EA,_Cade in response to this question.
That is a great question, at this exact moment that hasn't been finalized. I've passed along the feedback I've seen here in regards to not wanting this information displayed in that manner and I would keep an eye out for more information closer to the release of this feature via upcoming livestreams when this isn't still in the design phase any longer.- SnaveXs4 years agoSeasoned AceWe've seen the CAS idea but then I wonder how this will be implemented through gameplay. I would assume Sims would just know what pronouns to use with certain Sims. Just like Sims relative's automatically know about new babies. Then there's the question at what lifestage do we get to pick the pronouns. I guess the baskinet could have pronoun options on it. We/Sims could maybe have friendly interaction to ask or tell with a boost to the relationship bar.
I certainly feel in CAS there should be a place to select your gender attraction, pronouns, currently live and hometown which isn't necessarily where a sim lives but gives them a background story and I know someone mentioned they would like it to control walkbys to. Currently live is where you'd actually place them in game, shouldn't show up until the family is in a house but maybe Sims could ask where they live and where they are from in gameplay. "caliposs;c-18039174" wrote:
"Peppers;c-18039173" wrote:
"caliposs;c-18039170" wrote:
"SERVERFRA;c-18039163" wrote:
Well, we are not amused by them. We love to be able to call our Woman sim Female & our Man sim Male. ;)
But you can! She/Her and He/Him are also available. :smile:
But not everyone feels the need to use pronouns.
Everyone has pronouns though.
Not me, my nouns are still amateurs.
Jokes aside, as long as they keep this safely out of the way so my simworld can have the two genders it's always had, the rest of y'all can go nuts.
(and for those wondering, I put my pronouns in my signature on the forum because it's otherwise impossible to tell at a quick glance that yes, I'm a dude posting this stuff. That's one place where pronoun identification has value even for the most hardened traditionalist.)- MsPigglyPooh4 years agoSeasoned AceI don't play this game anymore. A long time ago I discovered I was no longer the targeted audience for this game and that it was going to continue to go in its own direction thus I decided to just let it go and play the sims games that were made for those who play the sims like me. That being said, congratulations to those who've been asking for this that have been always wanting it. Cheers!
*Sneaks back out and fades away once more* "Noree_Doree;c-18040712" wrote:
I don't play this game anymore. A long time ago I discovered I was no longer the targeted audience for this game and that it was going to continue to go in its own direction thus I decided to just let it go and play the sims games that were made for those who play the sims like me. That being said, congratulations to those who've been asking for this that have been always wanting it. Cheers!
*Sneaks back out and fades away once more*
Not to bust your bubble, but you can wrangle a simworld back to "those who play the sims like me", you just have to be willing to wholesale edit a lot of NPCs in CAS. (one look at any crowd scene in my screenshots in various threads can see my simworld's naturally "old-school" look and feel, indirectly modeled as it is on my 1980s affluent-suburban childhood hometown in a lot of ways.) At no point has any of EA's "inclusiveness" affected my simworld in any way—other than having to edit (or stuff my graveyard with, if it comes to that) a new batch of premades to fit my world every time I buy a pack.- EA_Cade4 years ago
The Sims Team
"Nushka;c-18040897" wrote:
@EA_Cade how will gender neutral pronouns work with police career? Oftentimes gender is one of the clues about crime suspects.
Forwarded up the chain, I'll let you know if I get more on this but most likely it will be addressed in a Livestream or blog post on The Sims section of EA.com. :) "DaWaterRat;c-18040349" wrote:
"Stormkeep;c-18040337" wrote:
"DaWaterRat;c-18040335" wrote:
Fair point. That group also has valid concerns, even though the Sims team should be large enough to multi-task new gameplay, fixing existing gameplay, and working on this. I know it doesn't always feel like it, though.
If you look around the forums, you'll see a lot of people also upset by all the Kits we've seen recently. CAS Kits + Pronouns =/= gameplay. So for that group it most certainly does appear like the team is not large enough nor good enough at multi-tasking.
I'm sorta in that group, I'm just not convinced CAS Kits + Pronouns really have anything to do with the recent lack of actual gameplay additions/fixes. Appearances can be deceiving so I don't draw conclusions based on my view from the outside.
I think the kits are a symptom of whatever's causing the delay in larger packs, not the cause. I believe all their developers/coders are focused on gameplay/bug fixing (and the bugs are more complicated than people realize) and the artists/asset creators are basically sitting around with nothing to do because they need feedback from the coders, so they have them making CAS kits so they're not sitting around twiddling their thumbs and EA is actually getting some Sims Income.
But that's neither here nor there, especially as my initial comment was about people complaining about the pronouns being displayed in game, not about people who are concerned about pronouns being worked on at all.
We don't actually know that (bolded part). It could be that since Maxis has decided to change the direction of TS4 from a sitcom (Rachel Franklin's idea of what The Sims 4 was at release) to a representation game (avatar game) they may have decided (marketing and the mobile division) kits would be more profitable to them if this is indeed no longer a life simulator (which they have never described TS4 as being one since the day of release) to a safe space, representation game. (Their own words).
It would seem to me kits would be profitable for that sort of game, where as EPs and GPs about simulation and life where life is simulated and mimicked is more in line with a simulation game. Very little simulation is added in the last few years since Maxis did change direction with the simself, avatar representations being more often than any other type of player that don't play simselves. If that is the focus to cater to that one group of players, I do wish they would just say yes, we have changed direction because kits would fit right in with that type of game and seems to worked for that type of gameplay. But we don't know what corporate and or the discussions are or the pressures to market to a niche group of players and or to try to attract more of a niche group of players and or whether to actually influence people (as stated in an interview).
If that is the plan and it seems it is, and their new business model then I can understand why so many people would like to see a big EP or GP that simulates life rather than a pronoun beside their Sim's name (doesn't matter what type of pronoun) because that seems to some of us less about life simulations that we all can relate to in some fashion and less about actual diversity and more about virtue signally in my humble opinion. (Note this is my opinion and how I feel not saying that is what it is).
No doubt there has been a lot of pressure on Maxis when large groups demand change and or get cancelled, and yes they may want to do what they feel is right, but as far a gameplay goes, this does very little for those who loved a life simulator twenty years ago.- leo34874 years agoSeasoned AceTalking about neutral pronouns, do you know than at spanish the game title is "Los Sims" ?
If we go to neutral pronouns scheme, "Los Sims" mean all sims are male!
Then the title could be changed to "Les Sims" - EA_Cade4 years ago
The Sims Team
"leo3487;c-18040905" wrote:
Talking about neutral pronouns, do you know than at spanish the game title is "Los Sims" ?
If we go to neutral pronouns scheme, "Los Sims" mean all sims are male!
Then the title could be changed to "Les Sims"
Yep. This is one of the many, many translation/language barriers we have to cross and a huge reason why this is still in the design and planning phase.
We want to get this absolutely right.