Disabilites, Maybe?

"mock68;c-17162139" wrote:
I think it's a total no no. It's too big a minefield and patronising to people who have genuine mental health disabilities and other disabilities.
What next? Teenage pregnancies? Domestic Violence?

this I agree.

There are some well done mods for disability traits, including Autism Spectrum and PTSD. I enjoy using these traits in my game. Yesterday I saw some well done poses that incorporated a wheelchair, including transferring from a wheelchair into a bed.

If EA decides to move forward with disabilities in game, I hope they will continue to get input from people with those particular disabilities.

"PlayerSinger2010;c-17162044" wrote:

"MadameLee;c-17162039" wrote:
@LiELF and yet people being wanting Disabilities in the Sims since the Original Sims. So your version of utopia might be a disability-free society but others aren't.

"Samlish;c-17162033" wrote:
I agree @Dragonfire2lm . It's not just blind and deaf disabilities that I could think of being in the game, there are many disabilities and rare diseases I could think of to represent my characters that I create, which I would love to implement into my game. Yes it would be hard to design in the game, but it is something I would love to represent many characters that could be created.

They *might* try adding mental health issues as well since Graham mention something to the effect of "Not making them traits"

If they add in mental illness I'm going to be furious. As someone who has a mental illness (anxiety/depression), I don't need that plum in my game. I play to get AWAY from the fact that I'm sick.

We already have the Erratic trait (formally Insane.) It was in previous games, too, and I don't recall anyone protesting about it. I'm aware that there are other types of mental illnesses; ijs.

Honestly, I think they would just focus on adding physical impairments.

I think a decent way to implement these features is to tuck them away in CAS somewhere, similar to the gender update. That way it's there for those who want to use it, but does not auto-generate on random sims. And maybe include an option to make it auto, if desired.

Seeing how devs generally treat the topic of health and illnesses, I think they'd use the same tactics with disabilities. Euphemisms. None of the illnesses in the game, including the ones in doctor (and veterinary) have real-life names and symptoms, all are treatable, none are deadly (except the death by hamster I believe). So it might be things like prosthetics options in CAS, therapist career to help Sims with mental states etc - things to represent the idea of disabilities without including all of them or any in particular.

i am sorry to say this but no tank you i clearly do not went to see disabilaty in the sims4

"Rouenpucelle;c-17162162" wrote:
There are some well done mods for disability traits, including Autism Spectrum and PTSD. I enjoy using these traits in my game. Yesterday I saw some well done poses that incorporated a wheelchair, including transferring from a wheelchair into a bed.

If EA decides to move forward with disabilities in game, I hope they will continue to get input from people with those particular disabilities.

Which is what they're had been doing with wheelchairs. They want to hear from the disabled community to see how they can treat us fairly

The tone of the sims is light and has almost no lasting consequences whatsoever, so any disabilities they add will be treated as a joke. The only way I'll accept that is if they add fake disabilities, like someone growing antlers or something dumb like that.

But what we're not gonna do is add in disorders/disabilities that real people go through and trivialize it.

The only thing I'd maybe accept are temporary broken bones; that way you guys can have your crutches and wheelchairs, but it won't be permanent and it won't mimic something much more severe. Mobility issues in elders is also common and an expected part of life, so canes would also be alright (we got that in Sims 3, I think). Anything else would have to be handled with care, and I don't trust the sims for to add them in responsibly.

Edit: I also just don't want to see people making fun of sims with autism, depression, anxiety, or any other mental illness. I don't want to see people forcing wheelchair bound sims or other physically disabled sims on foundations and then taking away the ramp (there were load of videos with people putting sims in pools and taking away the ladders just to watch them drown). That is something that will happen if we get these disabilities, because people suck.

For many Sims is a tool for their storytelling, so the option of disability wouldn't be a mistake. The attitude towards disability displayed in this forum is bad enough for EA to consider this move as to raise awareness. We have different walking animations, having a wheelchair animation wouldn't hurt anyone. Using mental illness as a gameplay gimmick would be not taking the issue seriously, but in a world with disabled Barbies there's also a market for a disability/health expansion pack. Add flus, accidents with broken bones, anything lightheartedness. Comparing disabilities to dosmetic abuse is quite honestly insulting.

"MadameLee;c-17165011" wrote:

"gemjas;c-17164778" wrote:
The tone of the sims is light and has almost no lasting consequences whatsoever, so any disabilities they add will be treated as a joke. The only way I'll accept that is if they add fake disabilities, like someone growing antlers or something dumb like that.

But what we're not gonna do is add in disorders/disabilities that real people go through and trivialize it.

The only thing I'd maybe accept are temporary broken bones; that way you guys can have your crutches and wheelchairs, but it won't be permanent and it won't mimic something much more severe. Mobility issues in elders is also common and an expected part of life, so canes would also be alright (we got that in Sims 3, I think). Anything else would have to be handled with care, and I don't trust the sims for to add them in responsibly.

Edit: I also just don't want to see people making fun of sims with autism, depression, anxiety, or any other mental illness. I don't want to see people forcing wheelchair bound sims or other physically disabled sims on foundations and then taking away the ramp (there were load of videos with people putting sims in pools and taking away the ladders just to watch them drown). That is something that will happen if we get these disabilities, because people suck.

One of the things Graham mentioned is let's say a wheelchair sim is visiting a sim who doesn't live in a house with a ramp, is the stairs would turn into something between an escalator and a ramp. So that's one fear you have probably wouldn't happen. BTW its seems to be implied that they're adding Real disabilities deaf, visually impariedness and wheelchair ones.

He said that? To be honest, I kind of doubt we'll get escalators in general, let alone stairs that can turn into escalators for wheelchairs. But I guess having a sign-language skill to communicate with deaf sims might be interesting, if for nothing else than to add more diversity in the game. I don't know, though. I'm still extremely wary of them adding something like that.

This is a subject that can be done very poorly if not given enough thought and care. It makes me uncomfortable to even think about all the ways that this can go wrong. But if they do go this route, it'll need to be completely optional at the very least.