Discussion on recent SimGuru statements on Twitter

https://twitter.com/cottonsimsyt/status/1300942146560720896?s=21

https://twitter.com/simgurulyndsay/status/1300973496294494208?s=21

"username3645937;c-17640807" wrote:
Some games will suit you, some wont. How many games do you play in comparison to the many that you dont? I just.....think that its not such a huge tragedy if a single game isnt fulfilling to you, personally. Thats where im having a disconnect. At the end of the day, games are just hobbies to past the time and keep you entertained. If sims 4 doesnt entertain you, it doesnt have to preoccupy your head space so much.

Sure, have suggestions. But again, the time to not buy into sims 4, was back in 2014. If you felt the game was bad in 2014 , the logical thing to do would be not to buy anymore packs. Play other games or just take a break from gaming in general. Pick up some other hobbies. Not buy them (the DLC) and become more and more upset as time goes on. A good idea could have possibly been to wait and see if the game improved (in your eyes) over time and then buy into it.

But overall, what im saying is, the sims 4 satisfies some people and some people it wont. But life will go on and there will be other games that interest you. I think too much personal emotional investment is being put into a hobby. Its not healthy. Focus on hobbies you do enjoy.

I'm not a gamer so I can perfectly live with not liking games. Actually I spend my life not liking most games and I'm fine. Sims though? Sims is something else.

"username3645937;c-17640879" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-17640876" wrote:

"username3645937;c-17640807" wrote:
Some games will suit you, some wont. How many games do you play in comparison to the many that you dont? I just.....think that its not such a huge tragedy if a single game isnt fulfilling to you, personally. Thats where im having a disconnect. At the end of the day, games are just hobbies to past the time and keep you entertained. If sims 4 doesnt entertain you, it doesnt have to preoccupy your head space so much.

Sure, have suggestions. But again, the time to not buy into sims 4, was back in 2014. If you felt the game was bad in 2014 , the logical thing to do would be not to buy anymore packs. Play other games or just take a break from gaming in general. Pick up some other hobbies. Not buy them (the DLC) and become more and more upset as time goes on. A good idea could have possibly been to wait and see if the game improved (in your eyes) over time and then buy into it.

But overall, what im saying is, the sims 4 satisfies some people and some people it wont. But life will go on and there will be other games that interest you. I think too much personal emotional investment is being put into a hobby. Its not healthy. Focus on hobbies you do enjoy.

I'm not a gamer so I can perfectly live with not liking games. Actually I spend my life not liking most games and I'm fine. Sims though? Sims is something else.

In what way? :/

The Sims franchise has always been a one of a kind game. There's no alternative (yet, let's hope that will change). When I play Sims 3 that's really more than just me playing a game (I play app games and Animal Crossing, I do know what that's like). It's stepping into a world I create, "live" with characters I create myself. For a lot of people Sims really is more than just another game. For people like me they had it right, but they totally lost it. And there's no alternative. Yet.

"drake_mccarty;c-17640861" wrote:

"username3645937;c-17640829" wrote:

"Finbar659;c-17640826" wrote:

"username3645937;c-17640728" wrote:

"Finbar659;c-17640722" wrote:

"Sindocat;c-17640569" wrote:
When a "fan" community becomes toxic and hateful, a responsible Executive Producer will take as much responsibility as she can for her studio, to shield her creatives from the kind of atrocious attention that has become all too common toward game designers. This is a courageous stand, and a generous one - even if she has staffers to screen her mail and social media - and I applaud her for it. She is Executive Producer. The buck stops with her.

Don't like the pack? Fine. Don't buy it. Play something else.

Hateful conspiracy theories and badmouthing developers? Uncalled for.

And we won't buy it <3

The issue is that why the game isn't being created like previous game in depth. It's lacking terribly.

That's not hate. That's just a negative feedback.

It's odd if you have to describe to her as some sort of hero. Like what if she was telling the truth? What if she is responsible? We don't fully know what's happening behind that office.

To be fair and tell the entire story , everyone knew before sims 4 was released that there werent any toddlers and a lot of things from Sims 3 had been removed. The time to "not buy" the game , was back in 2014 :|

"Don't buy it" doesn't cover the excuse on why the features were stripped from a brand new "successor" of The Sims 3

It covers not buying games that you don’t support . It also would have made more sense for certain players to have skipped sims 4 entirely . Again, not every game is for everybody.

Why would anyone NOT want to support Sims 4 in 2014? The developers were literally promising the moon so people would buy it, promising they would right their wrongs. They deceived people, and 6 years later you gloss over that to ask why people supported such a problematic game. Maxis literally tried hard to sell this game to Sims 3 players even going as far as telling us a substitution for CASt was in the works. It’s been 6 years, where is that? Maxis has earned every bit of backlash they are getting. The past is catching up to them whether they want to acknowledge their role or not.

I agree and they did it with Sim City 2013 and that was the end of that series. now move forward some may knew that the base game came out majority of the features was not included and brought on the notion that EA/Maxis would put some of the worthwhile features back in over the course of Sims 4 production cycle and they did put maybe one or two. EA/Maxis for me made up some misleading messages that promoted they were going to do this and do that and to date where is the stuff? What EA/Maxis did was take some of the prominent features that were free in previous versions and they are now paid features like the ability to create your own world or Neighborhood which is controlled by EA/Maxis and they only gave one free Neighborhood and that was back in 2015. I am not an fan of that move and never will be and no matter what the ones who accept this move say, it is an funky move. How in the world has the two older versions been able to do what this current version cannot do. Just can't believe it for Sims 4 for me is not innovative in any shape or form. Heck even Sims Town can do than what this game can do. The formula that was created by Wright has changed drastically for Sims for what was once an sand box is an hybrid of an game as you have packs that are use once and used in specified areas and not in all areas of the game, that is sad. Some may say if you feel this way then do not buy it! but the fact is many brought it back in the day and in this instance that statement does not ever register for the money is spent. Now going forward the statement may be valid on new purchases but even if one does not buy into it one can still provide input and still is feedback.

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17640821" wrote:
Remember there are minorities in every society and community.
If minorities aren’t listened to or treated well in society it’s called discrimination.
If minorities in a gaming community get something they asked for or are excited about, they are called ‘NOBODY’ by the majority. As in: ‘NOBODY asked for this.’

Lyndsay responded well.
Sure we could argue that the timing of this pack is rather unfortunate, considering the pile of bugs that are still present in game.
But this could be said for any pack.
If this was a winter holiday, wedding or farming GP, the majority would be over the moon, conveniently forgetting about all the bugfixes or lack of a personality system. Except for the die hard complainers. They don’t play the game anymore and yet they’re the loudest. I’ve seen them all over the forum except for the ideas corner. ‘Because it doesn’t matter anyway, they don’t listen to us’.

Give it a rest. This pack will sell. It’s a theme a minority asked for. A minority of the overall 20 million players. It’s a $20 GP for crying out loud. Don’t look at it, if it hurts your eyes.

You’ll get your skin tones, however I can almost guarantee that not everybody is going to be happy with those either, unless they change the CAS tools.
Maybe we get babies and cars. Not everybody will be happy with those.
Maybe we get better personalities. Not everybody will be happy with those.
What happened to the lack of swimmable oceans? I haven’t heard anyone nag about that for a long time.
I still want my dive lots and my create a world tool and cars.
Anyway, the list goes on.

Unfortunately the Sims 4 is not going to be the Sims 1,2 or 3. It never was and it never will be.
Maybe those of you who are constantly upset about it, just have to come to terms that The Sims 4, possibly the most experimental title in the franchise, is just not for you. You should know after 6 years.

Right now, a minority is happy to get this pack. Believe it or not. I know, crazy right?

So please stop saying the pack should be cancelled or the executive producer should be replaced. What a lot of nonsense. Take a breath of fresh air instead. It’s a great day.

No matter how much you like this pack the truth is this an extremely niche pack and doesn't belong in a sandbox game. Most people wouldn't be upset if this was a general space pack with SW themes or if this pack came out after we got everything the community has been requesting for six years.

Imagine if we got a harry potter pack instead of ROM. Now only a small portion of fans can play because everything is extremely specific to one theme and there is no room to change things up. Notice how there was no uproar and outrage at the announcement of ROM because we could make own stories and this time the occults aren't even called witches now they are spellcasters which are great cause we aren't confined in that category and can make enchanters, wizards, sorcerers etc.

Instead of the most requested themes being added they make this pack a priority so the outrage is understandable and if you don't like people talking about it then stay in the positivity thread. You seem like you're trying to silence people and tell them to "give up" on giving the game criticism which is ridiculous. We shouldn't just take everything EA gives we should let them know how we feel.

"username3645937;c-17640879" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-17640876" wrote:

"username3645937;c-17640807" wrote:
Some games will suit you, some wont. How many games do you play in comparison to the many that you dont? I just.....think that its not such a huge tragedy if a single game isnt fulfilling to you, personally. Thats where im having a disconnect. At the end of the day, games are just hobbies to past the time and keep you entertained. If sims 4 doesnt entertain you, it doesnt have to preoccupy your head space so much.

Sure, have suggestions. But again, the time to not buy into sims 4, was back in 2014. If you felt the game was bad in 2014 , the logical thing to do would be not to buy anymore packs. Play other games or just take a break from gaming in general. Pick up some other hobbies. Not buy them (the DLC) and become more and more upset as time goes on. A good idea could have possibly been to wait and see if the game improved (in your eyes) over time and then buy into it.

But overall, what im saying is, the sims 4 satisfies some people and some people it wont. But life will go on and there will be other games that interest you. I think too much personal emotional investment is being put into a hobby. Its not healthy. Focus on hobbies you do enjoy.

I'm not a gamer so I can perfectly live with not liking games. Actually I spend my life not liking most games and I'm fine. Sims though? Sims is something else.

In what way? :/

I don't want to speak for Joanne, but many of us (myself included,) grew old with this franchise and have played it for 20 years. It has become a lifelong hobby, not a temporary interest. Some of us play other games and some don't. For many, it holds a special place in our hearts and is simply not a game where we say, "Oh, well. I don't like the direction it's going, so I'll move on." We want it to improve. We want it to be the best game it can be, because we remember how good previous games were. That's why feedback is given, and why many unhappy simmers stuck around. And sometimes when a simmer seems angry, it's really just the frustration of seeing our favorite game going in the wrong direction.

With that said, it is true that some go too far with the 'feedback' and become abusive. Either way, we should let everyone comment, whether it's positive or negative. Because in most cases, negative feedback = hope for a better game.

"HayleeSims;c-17640905" wrote:

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17640821" wrote:
Remember there are minorities in every society and community.
If minorities aren’t listened to or treated well in society it’s called discrimination.
If minorities in a gaming community get something they asked for or are excited about, they are called ‘NOBODY’ by the majority. As in: ‘NOBODY asked for this.’

Lyndsay responded well.
Sure we could argue that the timing of this pack is rather unfortunate, considering the pile of bugs that are still present in game.
But this could be said for any pack.
If this was a winter holiday, wedding or farming GP, the majority would be over the moon, conveniently forgetting about all the bugfixes or lack of a personality system. Except for the die hard complainers. They don’t play the game anymore and yet they’re the loudest. I’ve seen them all over the forum except for the ideas corner. ‘Because it doesn’t matter anyway, they don’t listen to us’.

Give it a rest. This pack will sell. It’s a theme a minority asked for. A minority of the overall 20 million players. It’s a $20 GP for crying out loud. Don’t look at it, if it hurts your eyes.

You’ll get your skin tones, however I can almost guarantee that not everybody is going to be happy with those either, unless they change the CAS tools.
Maybe we get babies and cars. Not everybody will be happy with those.
Maybe we get better personalities. Not everybody will be happy with those.
What happened to the lack of swimmable oceans? I haven’t heard anyone nag about that for a long time.
I still want my dive lots and my create a world tool and cars.
Anyway, the list goes on.

Unfortunately the Sims 4 is not going to be the Sims 1,2 or 3. It never was and it never will be.
Maybe those of you who are constantly upset about it, just have to come to terms that The Sims 4, possibly the most experimental title in the franchise, is just not for you. You should know after 6 years.

Right now, a minority is happy to get this pack. Believe it or not. I know, crazy right?

So please stop saying the pack should be cancelled or the executive producer should be replaced. What a lot of nonsense. Take a breath of fresh air instead. It’s a great day.

No matter how much you like this pack the truth is this an extremely niche pack and doesn't belong in a sandbox game. Most people wouldn't be upset if this was a general space pack with SW themes or if this pack came out after we got everything the community has been requesting for six years.

Imagine if we got a harry potter pack instead of ROM. Now only a small portion of fans can play because everything is extremely specific to one theme and there is no room to change things up. Notice how there was no uproar and outrage at the announcement of ROM because we could make own stories and this time the occults aren't even called witches now they are spellcasters which are great cause we aren't confined in that category and can make enchanters, wizards, sorcerers etc.

Instead of the most requested themes being added they make this pack a priority so the outrage is understandable and if you don't like people talking about it then stay in the positivity thread. You seem like you're trying to silence people and tell them to "give up" on giving the game criticism which is ridiculous. We shouldn't just take everything EA gives we should let them know how we feel.

Here, here. That, plus the fact it seems like a ready to go story (like Strangerville). So it's not even as if you can put the other franchise aside and give your own twist to it.

"AedanStarfang;c-17640848" wrote:


Lol "don't like it, don't buy it" is the age old mantra used by white knights of a franchise.

I always thought of that as meaning more of a "vote with your wallet" kind of thing. As in, EA usually listens to dollar signs rather than words, so not buying the packs makes a bigger impact than words/votes on a video etc. Might just be me though, I'm not sure but that's how I've always interpreted it :)

"MissyHissy;c-17640937" wrote:

"AedanStarfang;c-17640848" wrote:


Lol "don't like it, don't buy it" is the age old mantra used by white knights of a franchise.

I always thought of that as meaning more of a "vote with your wallet" kind of thing. As in, EA usually listens to dollar signs rather than words, so not buying the packs makes a bigger impact than words/votes on a video etc. Might just be me though, I'm not sure but that's how I've always interpreted it :)

That's true, and maybe it's just me but I see posts like: "don't like x, don't buy it" or "if you don't like x-topic, leave" as attempts at shutting down a meaningful discussion about the company and it's products. People may or may not like a certain pack, but they should be allowed to voice their criticisms.

"AedanStarfang;c-17640947" wrote:


That's true, and maybe it's just me but I see posts like: "don't like x, don't buy it" or "if you don't like x-topic, leave" as attempts at shutting down a meaningful discussion about the company and it's products. People may or may not like a certain pack, but they should be allowed to voice their criticisms.

Not just you, I've definitely seen it used like that too. I think the 'don't like, don't buy' was originally meant as a 'vote with your wallet' sort of thing but as always, some people probably have twisted the meaning a bit :#