Discussion on recent SimGuru statements on Twitter

"j1z1;c-17641241" wrote:
If they had announced a farming pack or a ski resort pack instead of SW, we still would be waiting on babies and cars (not to mention bug fixes) the same way we're doing today, because the theme of one of the packs they've been working on is separate from to those problems. But people are angry it's a SW pack specifically.

I don't care for some of those things (babies and cars), but I have other things I agree on (better personalities, better romance, spiral staircases, etc) + bug fixes I need asap, and I would still need them no matter the next pack theme because they should be free updates lol. It's not like I was expecting a pack called Let's Get Fixing that would take care of that.

(@Cinebar I would consider EL, JA and IL life simulation. I didn't realize some people didn't.)

I believe the difference is that with Ski resorts and farms these things have been asked for by so many people, so many times. You can’t go to any social media group, site, post asking what people want without seeing majority of the comments asking for cows, hotels, generations. These were knowingly wanted, if you want them or not is irrelevant, these are things the community has been begging for for years over and over, it is a known fact even outside the Sims community how badly people want farms and hotels. I have never, ever seen a single person post ‘ya know what would be cool? A Star Wars story based RPG inside the sims.’ IF there were just as much hooting and hollering for Star Wars as even a Veganism pack I don’t think the reaction would be as bleak and negative as it is, I think people would still be upset but we’d understand that this was something wanted by a vast number of the community. I know I for one wouldn’t have been so shocked. It’s not about Star Wars, I personally love Star Wars. It’s about feeling ignored, and honestly it’s also about feeling like our voices were silenced for a Disney world advertisement. Heck, I believe this would have been better received if it were based on the actual movies and not Disney’s Galaxys Edge. People are right to be offended, and it’s okay if you’re not but at least try to understand why people are so angry.

Also going to add, literally all I want is burglars back, everything else is a pleasant surprise.

"Komura;c-17641267" wrote:

"j1z1;c-17641241" wrote:
If they had announced a farming pack or a ski resort pack instead of SW, we still would be waiting on babies and cars (not to mention bug fixes) the same way we're doing today, because the theme of one of the packs they've been working on is separate from to those problems. But people are angry it's a SW pack specifically.

I don't care for some of those things (babies and cars), but I have other things I agree on (better personalities, better romance, spiral staircases, etc) + bug fixes I need asap, and I would still need them no matter the next pack theme because they should be free updates lol. It's not like I was expecting a pack called Let's Get Fixing that would take care of that.

(@Cinebar I would consider EL, JA and IL life simulation. I didn't realize some people didn't.)

I believe the difference is that with Ski resorts and farms these things have been asked for by so many people, so many times. You can’t go to any social media group, site, post asking what people want without seeing majority of the comments asking for cows, hotels, generations. These were knowingly wanted, if you want them or not is irrelevant, these are things the community has been begging for for years over and over, it is a known fact even outside the Sims community how badly people want farms and hotels. I have never, ever seen a single person post ‘ya know what would be cool? A Star Wars story based RPG inside the sims.’ IF there were just as much hooting and hollering for Star Wars as even a Veganism pack I don’t think the reaction would be as bleak and negative as it is, I think people would still be upset but we’d understand that this was something wanted by a vast number of the community. I know I for one wouldn’t have been so shocked. It’s not about Star Wars, I personally love Star Wars. It’s about feeling ignored, and honestly it’s also about feeling like our voices were silenced for a Disney world advertisement. Heck, I believe this would have been better received if it were based on the actual movies and not Disney’s Galaxys Edge. People are right to be offended, and it’s okay if you’re not but at least try to understand why people are so angry.

Also going to add, literally all I want is burglars back, everything else is a pleasant surprise.

The last couple of packs gave us candle making and knitting, so they do need to vary it up a little (I think the bigger mistake was EL which even realism players weren't really feeling). But what you're saying is true, maybe if it had been werewolves, which has been requested by many, it would have been better received. Maybe it's 'cause the last supernatural pack was witches and it didn't match some sort of release pattern? I don't know when they may have started to work on this pack, but I imagine most feedback that's less than a year old would be of little use in stopping a project like this. It also kind of makes sense to me that they would try to make at least one surprising announcement after a community-voted pack and some content from previous iterations.

(Oof, in one of the last surveys there was a box asking what you'd like to see more of and I did ask for more SW content, as I knew it to be possible since we got the costumes. Can't know if anyone else did but never in a million years did I think a pack was possible or I probably would have brought up the suggestion tbh.)

I think a lot of the (justified) fan outrage isn't necessarily with Journey to Batuu, but EA/Maxis' priorities of late, which of course like all major AAA companies is to make money. However the outrage I believe really stems from little to no transparency on the end of Maxis, little or no community interaction, six years on with missing standard Sims features (real babies, cops, robbers, etc), skin tones and bugfixes that have either not been addressed or are continually broken with each update. Then you announce this Star Wars gamepack and the already boiling pot just spills over. I think plenty of people would like the new pack, however I think the timing was just bad...more people wanted the promised fixes and additions to the game before a pack that a lot see as a cash grab.

"KaeChan2089;c-17641458" wrote:

"AedanStarfang;c-17641430" wrote:
I think a lot of the (justified) fan outrage isn't necessarily with Journey to Batuu, but EA/Maxis' priorities of late, which of course like all major AAA companies is to make money. However the outrage I believe really stems from little to no transparency on the end of Maxis, little or no community interaction, six years on with missing standard Sims features (real babies, cops, robbers, etc), skin tones and bugfixes that have either not been addressed or are continually broken with each update. Then you announce this Star Wars gamepack and the already boiling pot just spills over. I think plenty of people would like the new pack, however I think the timing was just bad...more people wanted the promised fixes and additions to the game before a pack that a lot see as a cash grab.

100% Agree. This pack was just the straw that broke the llama's back.

I feel like a broke record saying this, but I’m literally one of the easiest simmers to please. I don’t expect anything, I say thank you and happily use mods to fix what I don’t like. I have NEVER been vocal about how dissatisfied with the Sims team I am, and I have been for a while. I don’t feel like I’m entitled, or like I’m whining, because honestly I’ve spent quite a few years, six to be precise, holding my tongue and accepting this game because it is the only one of its kind, and I don’t feel like doing that anymore.

"Nindigo;c-17641121" wrote:
I agree with Lyndsay. That there should be room for different kinds of play at the same time. I'm glad she see things this way, because The Sims 4 has many types of players. Also, in my experience the game isn't half as buggy as some would have it seem. *shrug*

I agree there should be room for different types of game play. That's why we have StrangerVille and Realm of Magic as well as Jungle Adventure and Parenthood. Where they messed up is adding Star Wars. If they wanted a space action game why not incorporate the alien and robot systems they already put into place? Why not explore more of the lore THEY created? It would have been cool for the "kidnapping" alien to come and say they needed our sim's help because of a war on their planet or whatever other cool ideas they could have come up with and it would have actually fit into the game. Heck I would have been excited to buy that pack.

"KaeChan2089;c-17641531" wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/YzpYcj0.jpg

.....Please RESEARCH your fanbase MORE before going with themes.

Bless her heart, my lord. She reminds me of my exes mother. That woman knew dang well I had too many dishtowels and she still gave me new dishtowels, every birthday, every Christmas. Just a box of dishtowels. It’s been years since I broke up with her son and guess what I still get in the mail? Dishtowels.

"Komura;c-17641547" wrote:

"KaeChan2089;c-17641531" wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/YzpYcj0.jpg

.....Please RESEARCH your fanbase MORE before going with themes.

Bless her heart, my lord. She reminds me of my exes mother. That woman knew dang well I had too many dishtowels and she still gave me new dishtowels, every birthday, every Christmas. Just a box of dishtowels. It’s been years since I broke up with her son and guess what I still get in the mail? Dishtowels.

In March 2019 the Star Wars pack had been given the go-ahead and was most likely certainly in development.

This is game development folks. Not the McDonalds drive thru. ?

So looking at this tweet, she was indeed surprised since she already had a space pack in development. No point in stopping that. (Cause money and schedules ‘n all). Anyway, I’m glad they didn’t. Because, (I’ll repeat myself here) I do want Star Wars. ?

"Komura;c-17641547" wrote:

"KaeChan2089;c-17641531" wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/YzpYcj0.jpg

.....Please RESEARCH your fanbase MORE before going with themes.

Bless her heart, my lord. She reminds me of my exes mother. That woman knew dang well I had too many dishtowels and she still gave me new dishtowels, every birthday, every Christmas. Just a box of dishtowels. It’s been years since I broke up with her son and guess what I still get in the mail? Dishtowels.

LMAO :D Dishtowels is the PERFECT analogy for the packs they've been giving us. Every time we hope for something more...useful. Instead we keep going 'not another dishtowel'. :D

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17641583" wrote:

"Komura;c-17641547" wrote:

"KaeChan2089;c-17641531" wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/YzpYcj0.jpg

.....Please RESEARCH your fanbase MORE before going with themes.

Bless her heart, my lord. She reminds me of my exes mother. That woman knew dang well I had too many dishtowels and she still gave me new dishtowels, every birthday, every Christmas. Just a box of dishtowels. It’s been years since I broke up with her son and guess what I still get in the mail? Dishtowels.

In March 2019 the Star Wars pack had been given the go-ahead and was most likely certainly in development.

This is game development folks. Not the McDonalds drive thru. ?

So looking at this tweet, she was indeed surprised since she already had a space pack in development. No point in stopping that. (Cause money and schedules ‘n all). Anyway, I’m glad they didn’t. Because, (I’ll repeat myself here) I do want Star Wars. ?

I wasn’t saying it wasn’t in development, I’m saying she reminds me of my exes out of touch mother so I’m not really understanding your comment to me. My exes mother straight up would buy dishtowels throughout the year to give to me, her dishtowel obsession was well in development for ages too. You see a fun game pack, I see another box of Jesus fish dishtowels. Just the way it is.

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"KaeChan2089;c-17641476" wrote:
https://twitter.com/SimGuruNinja/status/1300918662228897792?s=20 <--- this makes me sick.

This is what we call damage control. They once again disappointed a community that has supported them for years and now have to defend their bad move until the end. I question how many people actually said in the creative room "maybe we should fix those skin tones first?" :#

I believe they work on multiple projects at once and have more than 1 team of devs assigned to things.

I agree, however Lyndsay clearly also gets to decide what comes out when and she chose to have Star Wars out before skin tones for example. That's a problem to me as it says she knows what the community wants, but just doesn't care all that much.

So you mean they should have put Star Wars on delay and give us skin tones next week, instead of a month later?

Actually yes...Yes this 100% I am all for it...who wouldn't be??

But if it was farms, or romance or werewolves, it would have been ok?

tbh a farming pack that had a werewolf life state in it would’ve been well received compared to other packs, imo (and i don’t even like farming)

But then suddenly it doesn’t matter if the skin tones came later?

...i...never said that lol

No I’m asking.

i take the skin tones as a separate issue. this is something they’ve had years to fix so it’s way past due - it seems like they just realized they needed to fix it. should’ve been done long ago. if the pack wasn’t SW and was farming instead, the criticism that skin tones shouldn’t come later would still be valid