Do You Care Throwback Meshes Are Recolors?

"Cinebar;c-17824969" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17824965" wrote:

"Netzspannung;c-17824961" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-17824955" wrote:

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17824951" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17824820" wrote:

"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17824626" wrote:

This is how folks just jump on the band wagon and blindly agree with everything that’s being said on social media without taking the time to look at the specifics.
When the majority says these clothes are recolors then it must be so. Let’s complain along.

@CAPTAIN_NXR7 I don't think they are recolors by definition but people do call them that because of the incerdible similarity to each other. They are not only similar styles, they are the same outfit with some changes.
The problem is if you take the meshes from previous packs and make slight alterations, sorry but you are not doing much work if you're gonna charge 5$ for it.

People can go ahead and play "find the differences" with these to prove the point that they are not recolours by definition. But thing is, the clothes share so similar meshes, it makes you wonder how much work they put into them to charge 5$ per copy.

I find it hilarious that people even have to compare the clothes to find the differences, that's how similar these are.

@SimmerGeorge
Casually using a term for something that it is not is no way to start a conversation though. This is how misunderstandings happen. “Oh we just call it that way. Let’s just call a turkey a chicken, shall we? They’re similar, right? And they both end up on my plate (or not).”

That’s just not good enough. Because folks actually believe these are just recolors: An existing mesh that has been re-textured or simply painted over, thus very little work is involved. Photoshop Paintbucket Fill stuff. Click, click, done. (Which is not what “recoloring” is but it is perceived that way.)

I’d be surprised if the team did not use a simple template mesh ( Pants. Tops) and re-model and sculpt it based on reference images that they collected. I can see from the comparison that the folds and details of these outfits are completely different. At a glance they look similar (because sport outfit ) however... they’re not. But it doesn’t matter because folks have already made up their minds about it. And I hope those who have invested in the kit can enjoy it regardless. No worries. ??

Why not open the mesh and find out? I think you would change your mind about many of the clothes in TS4. ETA: Folds in TS2 are not caused or on the mesh, it's in the texture. Created by the texture. You can use one mesh to make a thousand different looking skirts etc. Folds or no folds etc. It's in the texture. I see reused meshes in TS4 all the time when I look at the clothes you guys get in packs.

And yet when someone like Grimcookies - who actually creates CC for TS4 - shows and explains that the meshes are not the same, his opinion doesn't matter. Since some people apparently don't care to look at his tweet, he wrote "None of these items are the same. They all have significant differences in-game that make that obvious."

@Netzspannung Grimcookis is an EA gamechanger. And there are tons of people who have made CC and claim the meshes are new but are slightly modified to be different, cause why would they even recreate the jacket with the crop top when they already have the mesh they can use as a fountation. Same for the pants. Pants in the Sims 4 seem to all use the same fountation. It's that pant above the ankle we keep getting again and again.

At this point it's his word against someone else's word, nobody knows for sure yet the clothes in this kit are at least suspicious.

The pants that were pictured in a thread here somewhere was up against pants that we see in this thread. The only difference I saw was the waist band and of course that was created by a texture not the actual mesh. It seemed to me by comparing the two (in a different thread) they were the same mesh only a different texture to look like one was a different type with a waistband and the other (the blue ones here) were workout gym pants with elastic. I really saw no difference at all when they were side by side other than the textures to make them look like different types of pants which led me to believe it's all in the texture. Which people mistakenly call 'recolors' but I call retextured.

nope they are not.the mesh change, really clear when u look your sims in different angles/rotate your sims . Totally different mesh with similar look.

"Marinuttonen;c-17824975" wrote:

Which is why I'm way more upset about the kitchen set than the CAS set, since kitchen counters & their variants can be done by someone who knows what they're doing in like few days (not counting the design/ concept stage) , while the CAS items probably took a lot longer. The whole item limit thing is such bull for this reason.

@Marinuttonen Also yes people on Twitter are actually talking about the kitchen objects too. In fact, the most liked comment on the Sims twitter post was someone mentioning that the 15 Build objects they made must have probably taken just a few days and that they don't see how the are worth 5$ per copy.

"Cinebar;c-17824987" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17824973" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-17824969" wrote:
Which people mistakenly call 'recolors' but I call retextured.

@Cinebar Retextured, or slightly altered mesh or a recolor to me is same difference in this context because what people are trying to say is that they don't see a lot of hard work put in those outfits. The fact that they are using the incorrect vocabulary of course shouldn't happen but at the end of the day they are trying to say that they don't see a lot of creativity, effort and maybe even time put in these pieces of CAS and that to them is a dealbreaker.

I think that's a fair thing to say even if it was expressed in an incorrect way.

I agree with you. I wasn't pointing out you used the terms incorrectly we all say recolors for twenty years when maybe I should say different swatch or whatever terms TS4 uses. People in TS2 say recolors which can cover a simple different color or a different texture. But it's all the same mesh in many cases, recoloring is simple in many cases, retexturing takes more time because you can add things that were not there before...and why meshes being reused is evident in TS4 a lot of the times. Like folds of a bottom or skirt or whatever. I'm fussing at anyone using the wrong terms I say recolors myself. But a different swatch could maybe explain what I meant in the title of my thread. Because a swatch could be wool or silk...lol

but im trying to say that IT IS NOT the same mesh, it's really different. It looks different shape in every angle if you spin you're sims in cas.
game devs do that in everygame , they may have base meshes , or uses different meshes sleevs to make something else. They are still so different

"Cinebar;c-17825003" wrote:

"Charlotta11;c-17824998" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-17824987" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17824973" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-17824969" wrote:
Which people mistakenly call 'recolors' but I call retextured.

@Cinebar Retextured, or slightly altered mesh or a recolor to me is same difference in this context because what people are trying to say is that they don't see a lot of hard work put in those outfits. The fact that they are using the incorrect vocabulary of course shouldn't happen but at the end of the day they are trying to say that they don't see a lot of creativity, effort and maybe even time put in these pieces of CAS and that to them is a dealbreaker.

I think that's a fair thing to say even if it was expressed in an incorrect way.

I agree with you. I wasn't pointing out you used the terms incorrectly we all say recolors for twenty years when maybe I should say different swatch or whatever terms TS4 uses. People in TS2 say recolors which can cover a simple different color or a different texture. But it's all the same mesh in many cases, recoloring is simple in many cases, retexturing takes more time because you can add things that were not there before...and why meshes being reused is evident in TS4 a lot of the times. Like folds of a bottom or skirt or whatever. I'm fussing at anyone using the wrong terms I say recolors myself. But a different swatch could maybe explain what I meant in the title of my thread. Because a swatch could be wool or silk...lol

but im trying to say that IT IS NOT the same mesh, it's really different. It looks different shape in every angle if you spin you're sims in cas.
game devs do that in everygame , they may have base meshes , or uses different meshes sleevs to make something else. They are still so different

Do you mean the skirt pictured or the pants? I don't agree every game by Maxis uses a base mesh then just adds or takes away something to make it slightly different. To my knowledge they claim everything in all these games is made from scratch.

both, everything in that picture in that tweet. english is not my native language so i try to explain as good as i can but. most games do, if you would look those clothes like they would be a sculp in 3D they are different looking and shaped differently on every angle when you rotate the mesh 360 degree. I don't know where they claim but would want to see that statement ?

edit : sims 4 meshes have 3D details, so if they would just use some other color/texture in that object, you could just see that the mesh is still the same but just that it's different color or that the 'fabric' is different, not the mesh it self

Do you have pictures? Also, I don’t see an option for my answer.

I can create my own meshes and recolours/retextures, but don’t want to. I just want to play the game. I would, therefore, be happy to pay them for more recoloured/retextured meshes as there are clothes/objects that I love, but don’t like the existing colours and/or patterns, or they don’t match other clothes/objects, so I never use them.

The throwback set is a sign that they are finally going to create ‘mix and match’ clothing sets so I’m thrilled. It still takes time for them to recolour/retexture meshes anyway if your allegation is true.

For starters, I would love it if they recoloured the ceiling fans to include more wood colours, and retextured the washers and dryers to match the base game stainless steel high end fridge.

And for those that will suggest I use custom content, I’m not interested in other people’s recolours (especially those that constantly bad mouth and spread misinformation about EA/Maxis and their employees while earning a living riding on the Sims’ coattails).

I don't think they're recolors of anything, just samey design to a lot of stuff already there. I guess it's decent to have more options for anyone who likes that style but I personally couldn't care for it.

Although the clothes look like recolours they are different in style. Personally I don’t really care about recolours with items or even reused gameplay features. It’s what the sims 4 does and I don’t see why people get so annoyed about it.

Well this has been a fun read and I won't vote on it because these aren't recolors.
I don't like the cropped top/jacket very much in either pack, it's just a style thing to me. I see differences though.
I do love that cheerleader looking skirt but never really use the other one that it is being compared too.
The pants are similar but look even more different in game. The shape is slightly different and the length, but definitely the texture work. It's really nice. I like these types of pants in general so the more the better.

Although I'm not voting here. I will say I don't like to use or maintain CC and I don't want to learn to recolor, retexture or anything like that. So if they do something like that and it's not a full pack worth but maybe a few pieces out of a pack. Yes I'd still buy it if I liked it. I just don't think 5 dollars is a lot for adding to my enjoyment either fleeting or lasting. If I had to pay that much everyday it would be different, but now and then. Nope, no problemo.

"RavenSpit;c-17824970" wrote:
to add to my earlier point,
I think I'd be fine with recolors and/or remeshes, if the outcome would actually look new and not so dang similar to something we already have in game. Idk tho how different one can make an item just by recoloring....

I mean, isn't that the whole problem?
even tho the clothes doesnt look exactly the same, it does look very similar, the style doesnt seem new at all.
I think that is what many people dont like, it's not really how it was made, it's the outcome.
Well...at least for me it is...
if they manage to make something that actually looks unique and different enough from what we already got, I don't care if they got there by recoloring and/or remeshing.

this
it just doesnt feel new enough even if i like the patterns

for example i still use the heck out of paranormal pack clothes even if at first they didnt seem my style at all and i really thought i was going to hate them

but i keep using them
just because its fun seeing how those look on my sims cause its new shapes new patterns new possibilities
(and it almost convinced me mullets can be cool)

but this kit? doesnt make me all that inspired to try on my sims cause we have similar clothing already and hence its boring

but well no use crying over spilled milk

i just wish for next cas kit
they go bit more... experimental.

"Mareah;c-17825211" wrote:

"Kita5399;c-17824020" wrote:

"Mareah;c-17823982" wrote:
When it comes to the items posted above, they fit their theme, but going with designs that stood out more might be better for this particular kit. I am no expert on 80s athletic attire, though. Are there more unique pieces they could have went with instead?

Anyway, i am the type of person who would skip a kit if it had too many items that looked to me similar enough to ones i already have, even if in the end they are not the same. Oh, and straight up recolors would be even worse since i dont care about buying those too.

I do find their choices odd, as someone who happened to own 80’s athletic wear in the 80’s and early 90’s. I would have expected leotards, tights, leg warmers, over size ripped/extra wide/off shoulder tees, short shorts & high striped socks for men, bright colored wind breaker jackets (the ones in the pack don’t look wind breaker-ish to me), and some high pony tail hair with scrunchies and feathered bangs. As cliché as it seems we did wear that stuff, I may still have some of the tshirts and scrunchies.. :D

All of these things sound so much fun actually, haha! I have some of that stuff for sims three, and i like it.

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Hmmm, so the era this kit was trying to copy was the 90s after all. I think these items are good for that even if a few are a little similar to older items, which might have been bound to happen. We should take that into account, Op. They are following the theme and this is what it allows them to add, and they arent recolors in the end. Hopefully the next one will be a theme that allows for even more unique designs so you dont feel like things are retextured or whatever the right term is. I have a few suggestions in mind already ?

Admittedly the patterns made me think 80’s, but I kept most of that stuff well into the 90’s personally. I would love a kit with those type of items, to relive my youth.. I was a dancer (ballet & tap) back in those days.