Title is pretty self explanatory. I feel like with the inclusion of Sentiments and Lifestyles, Whims should have been brought back and overhauled to fit : 1) Sentiments toward a sim, like "Argue with X" when you have the "Fury" Sentiment toward a sim or "Kiss X" when you have the "Deeply in love" sentiment, and so on2) Lifestyles, as in have whims related to your Sim's active lifestylesWhat's been implemented is already one step toward giving our sims more depth but I can't help but think that more could be (or could have been) done with the already existing whims (which are a nice feature on paper but badly implemented to the point that they removed them by default, uh). I don't want to feel like an almighty god that HAS to make things happen for them to happen, I want to feel like my sims have a mind and a will on their own and that they are the ones driving gameplay with the traits I gave them and sentiments and active lifestyles I made happen. Whims, like the Wants from Sims 2, are a way to give them this depth, but it need an overhaul for that. Maybe I'm just dreaming. Maybe some modder is already working on it. Who knows. How would YOU improve whims?

I definitely play with whims on and I really wish there were more different types of whims. EA gave up on them at some point and I want more whims for the different packs. I think your ideas are great too and I want that as well.I like that there's one whim related to their mood, I just wish it was also related to the specific sim's circumstances and traits.

Just realized I posted that on the wrong section, sorry!!"Duvelina;c-17723006" wrote:I definitely play with whims on and I really wish there were more different types of whims. EA gave up on them at some point and I want more whims for the different packs. I think your ideas are great too and I want that as well.I like that there's one whim related to their mood, I just wish it was also related to the specific sim's circumstances and traits.I like the idea! How would you make that work?

"nasch_katze;c-17723010" wrote:Just realized I posted that on the wrong section, sorry!!"Duvelina;c-17723006" wrote:I definitely play with whims on and I really wish there were more different types of whims. EA gave up on them at some point and I want more whims for the different packs. I think your ideas are great too and I want that as well.I like that there's one whim related to their mood, I just wish it was also related to the specific sim's circumstances and traits.I like the idea! How would you make that work? It also relates to their buffs then, I guess. For example, if a sim becomes angry because they saw their spouse cheating and they have the hotheaded trait, they might get an angry whim related to the specific cheating situation, like yelling at their spouse or the person they cheated with.

i currently play with the whims turned off because of getting the same generic ones like buy a bee box for every sim. I would love for them to be completely overhauled into a wants and fears systems from ts2 and these wants and fears are based on a couple of things like-traits-current emotion -current things happening in there life like got into a fight or a break up so for example one sims just got flirty with another sim now their wants are things like flirt with this sim try to kiss this sim etcand their fears are things like the other sim rejecting them but in another example if you have an unflirty sim they would not really like the flirt and fear that the other sim possibly tries to this would add even more depth to the sims and would imo make gameplay a lotm ore interesting

First, they should fix those already in the game. There are pet-related whims that keep appearing even when you no longer have a pet in the household. Whims added in seasons that keep reappearing regardless of the sims' interests (buy bee box/water balloons etc.).Then, to add whims for all the past packs where they make sense.Only after that, they could actually start building on it - which would be welcome.

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CelesteBabyy
5 years ago
"Sjofn;c-17724916" wrote:
"WildIrishBanshee;c-17723438" wrote:
I love whims, and like Sims 2, sims are trainable - just don't close your game in S4. I haven't really done much with the pseudo memory system we just got, but it may make the whims more trainable than ever. I just need MORE whims, like seriously. Even with Whim Overhaul (by Bienchen, needs to be updated, but it should help those of you who are getting the same whims repeatedly) there are only so many whims to fulfill and train my sims to prefer.

I use that mod too, and the massive toning down of the 'buy stuff' whims makes a big difference. So I guess that would be my main suggestion for making whims feel better for more people: chill out on those particular whims and keep adding non-buy-stuff ones that make sense for whatever pack's being added.

(also I don't know why people think they stopped adding them, they haven't?)

I don't think any new whims have been added after Strangerville in 2019, unless Snowy Escape brought some in.
user5647
New Ace
5 years ago
"nasch_katze;d-983663" wrote:
Spoiler
Title is pretty self explanatory.

I feel like with the inclusion of Sentiments and Lifestyles, Whims should have been brought back and overhauled to fit :
1) Sentiments toward a sim, like "Argue with X" when you have the "Fury" Sentiment toward a sim or "Kiss X" when you have the "Deeply in love" sentiment, and so on
2) Lifestyles, as in have whims related to your Sim's active lifestyles

What's been implemented is already one step toward giving our sims more depth but I can't help but think that more could be (or could have been) done with the already existing whims (which are a nice feature on paper but badly implemented to the point that they removed them by default, uh).

I don't want to feel like an almighty god that HAS to make things happen for them to happen, I want to feel like my sims have a mind and a will on their own and that they are the ones driving gameplay with the traits I gave them and sentiments and active lifestyles I made happen.
Whims, like the Wants from Sims 2, are a way to give them this depth, but it need an overhaul for that. Maybe I'm just dreaming. Maybe some modder is already working on it. Who knows.

How would YOU improve whims?

I do really like the idea with whims because it can push the game in a new direction, give some more challenges to the game and bring more depth to a sim. But I often have to turn them of because they really lacking ( …but also wanna say that I really appreciate that they have done a little updating on them… I haven’t got the bee box whim for a pretty long time now… :# hehe). I do really hope that we can get an improved whims system, here’s my suggestions:

1. More whims at the same time (not just 3)

2. Both negative & positive whims (want & fears)

3. Whims affecting Satisfaction points + Self Esteem system + Meaningfulness system => LIFE STRUGGLES PACK

4. Whims from Sentiments / Relationships / Lifestyles / Hobbies system / Attraction system / Favorites & Dislikes

5. Whims from a chosen Life direction (lifelong aspiration that can be changed at any time) +Quest want:
https://i.redd.it/8rwn35j5bv0z.png
You can have up to 3 different directions (aspirations) ongoing at the same time. The directions will give your sim negative & positive whims (want & fears), complete and gain / lose Satisfaction points + Meaningfullness points + Self-esteem points. You will also get an button for a Quest want. Click on this button to get assigned to a quest (the quest is based upon your chosen directions, is time limited and include several tasks). At the end of your sims lifetime, their tombstone will show what direction your sims found as most important (what directions their mostly picked) and what direction your sim was mostly successful in. You can change your sims directions at any time.

Pick 3 directions from following categories:
(They can all be from the same category or from different categories):
1. Family 2. Romantic 3. Pleasure 4. Career 5. Money 6. Popularity 7. Knowledge
8. Power 9. Hedonism 10. Goodness 11. Spiritual & Personal development
12. Health & Wellbeing 13. Vanity 14. Evilness 15. Criminality 16. Nature 17. Animals & Wildlife
18. Travel & Experiences 19. Interest & Hobbies 20. Random (you will have the possibility to choose which directions to randomize from if you don´t want all of them)

A sim that goes for a longer period of time without completing any...
*Whims will get the moodlet Life feels meh (+1 Bored and Decreasing Meaningfulness points).
*Quest wants will get the moodlet No direction in life (+1 Tensed and Decreasing Meaningfulness points).

FROM THE LIFE STRUGGLES PACK (Self Esteem system & Meaningfulness system)
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/986200/life-struggles-pack-updates-sims-4-memory-system-consequences-wants-fears-personality-overhaul
Lisamango0
New Veteran
5 years ago
Okay first: LOVE THE PROFILE PIC OF GUMSHOEEE <3

Now back on topic: I agree with what's been said by you and by the people above me. I do play with whims on because sometimes I like to do them, and it gives them extra points.

- I want to have more Whims visible to me that I can act on.
- It would be so much better if the whims did fit the lifestyle & Sentiments as you said
- Different whims, with different emotions; not all wintery ones in winter, or lovey ones with a romantic emotion.

All in all; it has been said by you all. The whims should be there to make sims more 'realistic' , also some silly ones between; and just to make it look like my sim has a free will.
wexxam
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
They need to be completely overhauled and should add some depth to our sims and their personality. They should be related to the specific sim you are playing and every sim should not have the exact same whims coming up all the time. All they really need to do is get tips from TS3 and TS2 since they did great with the way they handled these.
heatherjp
Rising Hotshot
5 years ago
I absolutely play with whims! It's boring without them IMO. I would love if they would start giving us new whims with every pack (but especially expansion and game). I feel like there aren't enough, but I definitely enjoy them.
Onverser
5 years ago
To be honest I forget they're even there. I don't think I've even looked at my sims whims in months and I have them on
Gamer_Cat24
Rising Scout
5 years ago
I play with the whims on, because it gives me something to do to make my Sims happy, and gain some points.
However, with some whims all the Sims want the same exact thing, despite their personality, so I would change it where a Sim that likes the outdoors would want to buy a bee box. I don't like that my Sims that hate the outdoors would want to buy a bee box. So, overall, just make whims unique to specific type of Sims. Like the wants and fears in Sims 2, even though they would overlap with another Sim, and seem super similar, the other Sim would have something they specifically feared that the other Sim didn't.
So, whims specific to a personality type would be fun.

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