Don't Complain if You Buy The Pack

"Gordy;c-17786185" wrote:

"halloweenchild;c-17786137" wrote:

Off-topic but whatever, XD. I honestly hate the way that questline starts, like Brynjolf literally assumes the newcomer to town is naturally a thief. Like does he do that with every new face and traveller that comes through Riften? It's a bit annoying. I wish him approaching the Dragonborn was more tied with the player's skills at stealth, lockpicking and pickpocketing or even knowing how many times they've lifted something form someone/somewhere. Rather than him just assuming they're a thief or want to be one.
It is also annoying that you can still join the Thieves Guild even if you fail the reverse pickpocketing mission, like that should be an indicator that the Dragonborn isn't a thief or a wants to be one Brynjolf ffs.

When you don't have a lot of gold, instead of implying you're a thief, he says that he can tell you don't have a lot of money and can earn some by thieving. And if you fail the quest, he chalks it up to the guild's recent string of bad luck. Taking you in isn't too much of an issue; if you fail, you're on your own. If not, you're an asset. But yeah, I agree that looking your stats makes more sense - the Mages Guild makes you learn certain spells or use your shouts, and the Dark Brotherhood requires you to take one of their contracts from under their noses and kill Grelod. For a thief, Brynjolf isn't even stealthy about recruitment.

I purposely fail the quest because Brand-Shei deserves better than prison. My boy make be a knife-ear, but he's an Argonian at heart. Plus I don't want to be mean to the NPCs.

Yeah, I get that part of it, it's just I (and by extension my Dragonborn) always earn my money in Skyrim by picking crops (cabbages and leaks are a gold mine in the game istg), by making potions and selling them. So when I walk into Riften to continue on with the main story and Brynjolf starts his whole "Your coin purse is heavy with gold, I bet you didn't make a septim of that honestly." Like, excuse you? I made my money the honest way thank you very much. I really wish there was more dialogue there like you can either deny that you stole the money (and depending on your speech skill) he either believes you or doesn't and tries to call you on your BS, which will then lead into the "set how about doing some more thievery?" or if you manage to convince that you're a straight arrow him he'll leave you alone. I mean he does leave you alone if you tell him "stealing is wrong" and he wanders away saying something about how he's usually a "good judge of character" and still leave the offer open, in case the player changes their mind. Like I wish that had been the end of it, but nope. Ah well.

Yeah I always fail the reverse pickpocket too, Brand-Shei did nothing wrong and he's an absolute sweetie. Not to mention that the Thieves Guild is a pretty open secret in Riften so I don't see why they need to act like they're still a big secret organisation, especially when the first quest Brynjolf sends the player on is to act like a two-bit mafia enforcer. I won't even go into the whole Nightingale stuff, because I felt like that should have been kept separate from the TG, but that's just me.