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"Scobre;c-16246867" wrote:
"TheHavocado;c-16246342" wrote:
> @Scobre said:
> -snip-
I don't usually make a big deal out of it though. It's just that having 'Kill' and 'Unnatural' on the same sentence tends to get messy. I meant, I have seen people commented on the achievement "Killing sims is very hard, I wish it was easier". I very understand that in some circles, this game is called a game for socio/psychopaths.
> (...) lacking consequences as much as The Sims 4 has been.
This. At least in GTA you'll have the entire city police run after you. In The Sims 4 ? Nope. Even their family is just 'Oh, well, that's unfortunate'. Makes you think.
If you haven't done Speed Dating, Serial Monogamist, WooHoo ! and Vengeful Deity achievement at the same time, you'll never know the full potential of this game. Oh, I'm not giving you ideas, just some consideration for any unsuspecting parents who are very critical about these kind of things. I personally didn't mind myself, but I know certain people who... throw 'plums' at these kind of things.
Cool I'll have to try that out sometime. Also nice to hear tips from fellow Simmers. Yeah I have a household called deviant Simmers to test out al the death types in the game just to see how long they take and I even noticed SimGuruGraham struggled with how long it took to kill his Sims too during streams. Yeah I miss having robbers and policemen. I never understood how people are ok having casinos in the Sims which are pretty much machines stealing your money, yet not ok if there is some law and order and theft happening in their games too. Never made sense to me. Thankfully the maid with klepto trait can steal sometimes, so that was a relief. I think it is just a bad life lesson the Sims 4 is teaching that actions don't have consequences which they do. I notice it with some posts too and was pretty sad I remember reading "I will not get punished for my actions because I like the Sims 4" so it is kind of aiding sense of not feeling consequences within the community too. I do think games in a way teach people how to interact with others and honestly don't think the Sims 4 is teaching very healthy social skills and yeah I could easily see the Sims 4 being referred to as a game of socio/psychopaths. The emotions being generally happy in the game don't help with this either. I just really hope that future Sims games portray the consequences that occur with real life so that it teaches people how to conduct healthy social interactions.
That is probably why the Schools that use the Sims in their Life Studies classes only use the Sims 2 even though there is two newer versions - they only approve of that version because it teaches real life lessons and nothing is taboo. BV even added a pickpocket Disasterly Dan or something like that - wasn't it?
Oh I am the worst - I cannot kill sims at all. They start pleading and crying and I just cannot take it. On top of it I feel guilty for trying it and spend half my time trying to make it up to them. Nope- all my sims live long full lives. I have to be the worlds worse deviate player. People would totally laugh at me if they saw what I go through sometimes to keep all my Sims happy.
In Sims 2 I had the user made homeless (and mean dad - Kevin, with his poor sad little girl Alice - and just could not follow the rules letting the child be so badly treated. Just couldn't - no matter how hard I tried. She just broke my heart and her dad was so mean. Needless to say he cleaned himself up, learned to love and cherish his little girl, and gave her a decent life.
That is me. That's how I have to play."Scobre;c-16247266" wrote:
"Writin_Reg;c-16247232" wrote:
That is probably why the Schools that use the Sims in their Life Studies classes only use the Sims 2 even though there is two newer versions - they only approve of that version because it teaches real life lessons and nothing is taboo. BV even added a pickpocket Disasterly Dan or something like that - wasn't it?
Oh I am the worst - I cannot kill sims at all. They start pleading and crying and I just cannot take it. On top of it I feel guilty for trying it and spend half my time trying to make it up to them. Nope- all my sims live long full lives. I have to be the worlds worse deviate player. People would totally laugh at me if they saw what I go through sometimes to keep all my Sims happy.
In Sims 2 I had the user made homeless (and mean dad - Kevin, with his poor sad little girl Alice - and just could not follow the rules letting the child be so badly treated. Just couldn't - no matter how hard I tried. She just broke my heart and her dad was so mean. Needless to say he cleaned himself up, learned to love and cherish his little girl, and gave her a decent life.
That is me. That's how I have to play.
Yeah I think the Sims 2 is the most realistic at showing real life lessons too and I love hearing how it has been used in schools from you. Nah you aren't bad. I actually have a hard time watching some people play the Sims 4 because I'm like that's totally not how I play. XD Your stories sound interesting. I actually really love the Cinderella way to play sometimes too which is why it is fun to play rags to riches sometimes. I guess I play a little weird in that I like to see my Sims struggle before making them happy. It is just how I can personally relate to my Sims because nothing has come easily for me and I have never been rich, so I like having my Sims problem solve and work their ways through problems like I have. Disasterly Dan was an interesting character. I'm probably horrible saying that Nervous Subject was one of my favorite characters from the Sims 2, but he had such an interesting backstory being a tortured soul and the son of Grim Reaper. I actually felt bad for him, so in some stories he would kill the Beakers to escape his prison and in some stories he would run away, so I would give him a happy life after. After Cassandra Goth got left at the alter by Don Lothario instead of her being left at the alter, she would and then live a happy life with Darren Dreamer. But that's kind of nice we both share some sort of struggle in our games before making our Sims happy. To what extent it doesn't matter but honestly I've always found you one of the most wise Simmers on forums about life and everything and very knowledgeable about Sims history. I respect you a lot and it has been great getting to know you since joining forums.
OH Thank you. I feel the same about getting to know you.
Well I got to know the Sims really well - especially when I was going through Leukemia treatments and then the awful after affects with my immune system. So when you have nothing to do but play and study the Sims for such a long time, well I guess you learn a lot about them.
Yeah - I also helped out Nervous - as well as made his mom younger, brought back his Aunt and Uncle and moved him back home. I recalled his mother had one ex husband she actually had loved - so I brought him back too. In fact I brought back so many sims in Sims 2 that died before their time and gave them a do over. I also got all enemies good friends - worked at it night and day - most of the time the hard way in all three of the main towns.
No I brought back Darrens wife. Her grave under the tree in his back yard so that one was easy.
For Cassandra I made a real Hunk of a guy for her that treated her like a Princess.
The hardest Sim to fix had to be Bella - you had to use Simpe and get rid of her death token before you could bring her back home, You had to make Mortimer a bit younger other wise he will die so I kept earning him youth potions, and had him keep calling the Gypsy matchmaker to find him dates until she dropped Bella down. It took forever - but I finally got her - and cleaned all memories of her death out of every body in town memories - lol. Yep I was stickler in doing it right and without mods or anything but Simpe. Also I lost her at least twice that I remember because I had missed a few memories of her death - but didn't give up. Her and Mort had another 2 girls and a boy.
I brought back all the Strangetown characters in Sims 3- A friend and I made an updated Strangetown. It was a blast. I still have all the characters on my Sims 3 pages.
I did end up losing all my progress on my Sims 2 version when I changed to the combined Sims 2 EA gave us - none of my old saved games worked on it. Also some of the tricks I used to get some sims back with Simpe also did not work - but that's okay I still enjoy playing it anyway now and then.
Oh and you can make Don not leave Cassandra at the alter by playing them a bit more before the wedding - Don will easily actually fall in love with Cassandra - if you do a lot of romance things. So this time thats what I did - and they did get married. So far, so good.- @Erpe, there you go again with the assumptions about who plays the game. I managed to work, raise two boys, take care of an invalid parent, do volunteer work, take care of a household and still managed to find time for playing the game and moderating a Sims forum.
"Erpe;c-16247634" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16247586" wrote:
@Erpe, there you go again with the assumptions about who plays the game. I managed to work, raise two boys, take care of an invalid parent, do volunteer work, take care of a household and still managed to find time for playing the game and moderating a Sims forum.
Well done! :)
But I know that I wouldn’t be able to go to work 8 hours a day. Then pick up my daughter in the nursery. Go home and make dinner. Clean up and put my daughter to sleep before I could play the game and discuss it the most of the night here in the forum and then make breakfast, deliver my daugher in the nursery and go to work again without sleep. Besides that where is the time to be together with my wife? How could any marriage survive something like that?
So if that was still my life then I would only be able to play the game about half an hour a week and never have time to discuss it in any forum. How did you manage better than this?
I managed. And I've been married for 38 years. Happily. ;)"Erpe;c-16247663" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16247650" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16247634" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16247586" wrote:
@Erpe, there you go again with the assumptions about who plays the game. I managed to work, raise two boys, take care of an invalid parent, do volunteer work, take care of a household and still managed to find time for playing the game and moderating a Sims forum.
Well done! :)
But I know that I wouldn’t be able to go to work 8 hours a day. Then pick up my daughter in the nursery. Go home and make dinner. Clean up and put my daughter to sleep before I could play the game and discuss it the most of the night here in the forum and then make breakfast, deliver my daugher in the nursery and go to work again without sleep. Besides that where is the time to be together with my wife? How could any marriage survive something like that?
So if that was still my life then I would only be able to play the game about half an hour a week and never have time to discuss it in any forum. How did you manage better than this?
I managed. And I've been married for 38 years. Happily. ;)
Then you have been lucky! :) You must have had a husband who didn’t mind to do all the shopping, cleaning, cooking and babysitting while you just were playing the game. But I wasn’t that lucky ;)
LOL, I see a pattern.- You have a theory based on a theory
- Someone comes along to refute the theory using real life arguments
- You tell them their examples are not typical/representative and therefore don't contradict your theory, nor the theory that supports the theory
I don't consider you creepy by the way. Just extremely stubborn ;)- You have a theory based on a theory
"Erpe;c-16247695" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16247685" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16247663" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16247650" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16247634" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16247586" wrote:
@Erpe, there you go again with the assumptions about who plays the game. I managed to work, raise two boys, take care of an invalid parent, do volunteer work, take care of a household and still managed to find time for playing the game and moderating a Sims forum.
Well done! :)
But I know that I wouldn’t be able to go to work 8 hours a day. Then pick up my daughter in the nursery. Go home and make dinner. Clean up and put my daughter to sleep before I could play the game and discuss it the most of the night here in the forum and then make breakfast, deliver my daugher in the nursery and go to work again without sleep. Besides that where is the time to be together with my wife? How could any marriage survive something like that?
So if that was still my life then I would only be able to play the game about half an hour a week and never have time to discuss it in any forum. How did you manage better than this?
I managed. And I've been married for 38 years. Happily. ;)
Then you have been lucky! :) You must have had a husband who didn’t mind to do all the shopping, cleaning, cooking and babysitting while you just were playing the game. But I wasn’t that lucky ;)
LOL, I see a pattern.- You have a theory based on a theory
- Someone comes along to refute the theory using real life arguments
- You tell them their examples are not typical/representative
I don't consider you creepy by the way. Just extremely stubborn ;)
I am just basing things on my own experience. But I sure would like to know how you manage to play the game all day long while going to work and raising a family at the same time? (I know that my daughters mum never would have accepted it if I had tried something like this!)
In the evenings? Other things suffer, I've hardly read a book ever since Sims 3 came along :disappointed: And watching TV stopped too (don't miss that, I only watch series and films every now and then).- You have a theory based on a theory
- @Erpe, I worked more than forty hours a week, in a very stressful job, where I was responsible for everything that could happen would fal to me. The buck stopped with me. If an employee did something, it was my job to take blame and fix that. lol And if customers (I won't go into the details and they aren't really customers, but clients and a whole other subject) did something to make a situation worse, that reponsibility to fell on me, too. Everything was my responsibility. Stress was an understatement. But I mananged to raise my children , have a public life, (actually get out of the house after work) and play these games. I would play early in the mornings before heading out to work and late into the night after others had gone to bed and probably stayed up too late many times. Weekend late nights were even more intense. Ah, youth, don't squander it, you can get a lot done if someone applies themselves and doesn't have age and health problems getting in their way. :) And I was on call 24/7 so yeah, I had to cut the game off and tend to real life, but I managed it, enough to know a lot about all of them until I became ill and had to retire. I play less now that I am home all the time and don't have a public life. Go figure. It depends on the person's ability to juggle more than one thing in their life. :)
- @Erpe - Ever since SGDrake said that teenage girls are the target audience of TS4, almost every post I've seen from you has used this as a springboard for arguments about the shallowness or general inferiority of the game experience compared to earlier Sims games. It's frankly insulting as someone who was once a female teenage Simmer, who knew plenty of other female teenage Simmers, and knows loads of female gamers who defy the stereotypes you hammer out time and time again. I know no female gamers who match the stereotypes you routinely call upon to elaborate on what you think it means that young girls are the target audience of TS4. And I know more female gamers than male gamers. Discourse like yours is built on and perpetuates a lot of negative stereotypes about young women. Not all teenage girls are the same. They're not all social butterflies who would rather text about their boyfriends than tell complex stories.
It's not up to you to make a judgement call about how anyone else chooses to manage their time. Some Simmers are shy, some are ill, some have the Sims as their main hobby, some play the Sims instead of watching videos or scrolling through social media - similarly, some go on the forum during a work break, some do it when they're ill, some do it as a break from writing essays (my most active period on the forum, haha), some do it if they have recently moved away and no longer live near their previous social group. The point is, the list goes on and on, and you're not basing your assumptions in this matter on anything other than your own experience, which is valid but obviously different than many other people's experiences. "Erpe;c-16247837" wrote:
@JoAnne65 @Cinebar We are different and you seem to be more dedicated to this game than I am (even though I played TS2 all the time too for 2-3 years). If I look back on my own life then I can see the following:
1. In school I would certainly have played the game until I started in high school.
2. In high school I wouldn’t have been able to play the game even though I still lived with my parents. The reason was that I had more than an hour in transport time both ways and homework that needed about 3 hours when I came home. So doing this would at least take me 1+6+1+3=11 hours before I could play the game (I didn’t even manage to do all the needed homework anyway because I became too tired and therefore had to prioritize).
3. When I studied at the university after Highschool I was never home. I just had an extreme need to be among other people when I didn’t study. So I played chess in a club and as a member of a team which played a tournament against teams from other cities in Denmark. Or I played card games with other students. So no time for video games at all.
4. After university I got a job and needed to start a family. So again I had no time for any video game.
So I could have played as a child until I started in highschool. But then I couldn’t play video games again before I again became a single.
Today things are very different because I now love to be at home alone and able to do exactly what I like. But from I was 17 to almost 40 years old I wouldn’t really have had any time for such a game.
I am lucky to be well though and not at all ill like you alas are Cinebar. So I feel sorry about your situation and don’t hope that I will become ill myself very soon.
I hope you don't either. Live long, and prosper. :)"JoAnne65;c-16247697" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16247695" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16247685" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16247663" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16247650" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16247634" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16247586" wrote:
@Erpe, there you go again with the assumptions about who plays the game. I managed to work, raise two boys, take care of an invalid parent, do volunteer work, take care of a household and still managed to find time for playing the game and moderating a Sims forum.
Well done! :)
But I know that I wouldn’t be able to go to work 8 hours a day. Then pick up my daughter in the nursery. Go home and make dinner. Clean up and put my daughter to sleep before I could play the game and discuss it the most of the night here in the forum and then make breakfast, deliver my daugher in the nursery and go to work again without sleep. Besides that where is the time to be together with my wife? How could any marriage survive something like that?
So if that was still my life then I would only be able to play the game about half an hour a week and never have time to discuss it in any forum. How did you manage better than this?
I managed. And I've been married for 38 years. Happily. ;)
Then you have been lucky! :) You must have had a husband who didn’t mind to do all the shopping, cleaning, cooking and babysitting while you just were playing the game. But I wasn’t that lucky ;)
LOL, I see a pattern.- You have a theory based on a theory
- Someone comes along to refute the theory using real life arguments
- You tell them their examples are not typical/representative
I don't consider you creepy by the way. Just extremely stubborn ;)
I am just basing things on my own experience. But I sure would like to know how you manage to play the game all day long while going to work and raising a family at the same time? (I know that my daughters mum never would have accepted it if I had tried something like this!)
In the evenings? Other things suffer, I've hardly read a book ever since Sims 3 came along :disappointed: And watching TV stopped too (don't miss that, I only watch series and films every now and then).
I don’t read books anymore either and on TV I mainly only see (or hear) news and watch a little series and movies.
Yes I now play games especially later in the evenings. But to that if you are married and young is difficult because to my experience your better half usually doesn’t like it. So it works much better if you are single.- You have a theory based on a theory
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