Hey guys, So I just watched the trailer and honestly I am not very excited. This pack looks like the same-old non-meaningful gameplay we have gotten before. It seems to me that this pack won't allow for much creativity and after reading the description I am almost sure. It feels like a:-go there, explore this-eat this food-learn this skill-talk to those new simsAnd DONE. Where is the creative gameplay? Where are the tools for us to create things? If they had given us hotels (which I am also pretty sure are not in there) they would work as a tool for us to create stories with this pack but also with the rest of the game. This pack to me feels like it won't have any replayability. I don't want to freaking explore another world or eat another food, drink another drink. I want to CREATE things, give me more tools to do that! Isn't this a Sims game? Where are the times when we could create our own hotels, even our own vacation worlds? Where is the freedom to do stuff instead of just exploring pre-determined stuff?All I'm getting from the trailer is the same-old exploring and no ways to be creative at all. Even the description of the "main" features cosists of skills, new build and buy objects and the one new venue type. This is what you call main features? Only the fourth one seems kind of interesting. I wish I could understand what they are thinking, I wish I could, this will be another Island Living... If you buy EPs for new kitchen counters, worlds made of decor and new skills then more power to you. But this is not what I was even interested in or what made me love the game in the first place.

Yeah... we have very different definitions of "being creative"And that's from someone who builds worlds for fun (because building the cultures is my favorite part of making worlds.)

"DaWaterRat;c-17694676" wrote:Yeah... we have very different definitions of "being creative"And that's from someone who builds worlds for fun (because building the cultures is my favorite part of making worlds.)@DaWaterRat Building isn't a feature that comes with this pack. It already exists. Also I am talking about actual gameplay and not build and buy, sure could be fun but it's few new objects, that's it. Also you cannot change the world or customize and have an influence on the culture gameplay. The culture in this world is pre-determinded and can't be changed. Like nothing else in this game. Now the question is what tools do you get to be creative with this pack? I don't see much. It's not a definition problem, sorry.

"SimmerGeorge;c-17694699" wrote:Now the question is what tools do you get to be creative with this pack?The new Lifestyles and Sentiments system seems pretty creative.

"TamakiSakura84;c-17694710" wrote:"SimmerGeorge;c-17694699" wrote:Now the question is what tools do you get to be creative with this pack?The new Lifestyles and Sentiments system seems pretty creative.@TamakiSakura84 I agree. Though we might not know much about them yet they are the only good part about this pack to me. However what doesn't sit right with me is that they come with an EP and not particularly with an EP that they feel like they fit into. It just feels like the team is trying to fix the lack of personalities in the base game in a 40€ EP and I don't think that's fair. Maybe they will be a good feature. But why in a winter EP? I don't get that

Honestly yeah, that was my gripe with City Living as well with it's inability to make your own apartments. Each EP needs to add some creative aspect. Like the retail system in Get to Work, the club system in Get Together, creating pets in Cats & Dogs, holiday system in Seasons, etc.

I'm tired of the "go there, eat this, drink this, explore this" packs (Snowy Escape)

DaWaterRat
New Vanguard
5 years ago
Yeah... we have very different definitions of "being creative"

And that's from someone who builds worlds for fun (because building the cultures is my favorite part of making worlds.)
SimmerGeorge
5 years ago
"DaWaterRat;c-17694676" wrote:
Yeah... we have very different definitions of "being creative"

And that's from someone who builds worlds for fun (because building the cultures is my favorite part of making worlds.)

@DaWaterRat Building isn't a feature that comes with this pack. It already exists. Also I am talking about actual gameplay and not build and buy, sure could be fun but it's few new objects, that's it.
Also you cannot change the world or customize and have an influence on the culture gameplay. The culture in this world is pre-determinded and can't be changed. Like nothing else in this game. Now the question is what tools do you get to be creative with this pack? I don't see much. It's not a definition problem, sorry.
FaerieRose84
5 years ago
"SimmerGeorge;c-17694699" wrote:
Now the question is what tools do you get to be creative with this pack?

The new Lifestyles and Sentiments system seems pretty creative.
SimmerGeorge
5 years ago
"TamakiSakura84;c-17694710" wrote:
"SimmerGeorge;c-17694699" wrote:
Now the question is what tools do you get to be creative with this pack?

The new Lifestyles and Sentiments system seems pretty creative.

@TamakiSakura84 I agree. Though we might not know much about them yet they are the only good part about this pack to me. However what doesn't sit right with me is that they come with an EP and not particularly with an EP that they feel like they fit into. It just feels like the team is trying to fix the lack of personalities in the base game in a 40€ EP and I don't think that's fair.
Maybe they will be a good feature. But why in a winter EP? I don't get that
Omri147
New Spectator
5 years ago
Honestly yeah, that was my gripe with City Living as well with it's inability to make your own apartments. Each EP needs to add some creative aspect. Like the retail system in Get to Work, the club system in Get Together, creating pets in Cats & Dogs, holiday system in Seasons, etc.
SimmerGeorge
5 years ago
"Omri147;c-17694814" wrote:
Honestly yeah, that was my gripe with City Living as well with it's inability to make your own apartments. Each EP needs to add some creative aspect. Like the retail system in Get to Work, the club system in Get Together, creating pets in Cats & Dogs, holiday system in Seasons, etc.

@Omri147 Exactly I still use retail all the time and it's been like what? 5 years? Same for the clubs which I use a lot or the holiday system. The Create-A-Pet is a thing I don't use much but there is so much people have done with it being able to create the most crazy dogs and cats and etc. This is what I love, the explore this, eat this, learn this thing doesn't give me the freedom I need to do stuff.
DaWaterRat
New Vanguard
5 years ago
"SimmerGeorge;c-17694699" wrote:
"DaWaterRat;c-17694676" wrote:
Yeah... we have very different definitions of "being creative"

And that's from someone who builds worlds for fun (because building the cultures is my favorite part of making worlds.)

@DaWaterRat Building isn't a feature that comes with this pack. It already exists. Also I am talking about actual gameplay and not build and buy, sure could be fun but it's few new objects, that's it.
Also you cannot change the world or customize and have an influence on the culture gameplay. The culture in this world is pre-determinded and can't be changed. Like nothing else in this game. Now the question is what tools do you get to be creative with this pack? I don't see much. It's not a definition problem, sorry.

I don't need tools to be creative. I need ... my imagination, and inspiration for a story. Creativity is not limited to "making things" until you include stories as things.

What I see here is inspiration. A new world to explore is inspiring to me, it gives me new ideas of where to take new stories - or even existing ones. I could do the Rise and Fall of an arrogant sports star or a story of someone reconnecting with their culture - and those are just the two that popped into my head right now.

I do this All the time as a TTRPG GM. I take existing worlds and I create stories in them. I build characters, specific locations within the setting, and then I spin it into a tale of adventure, or romance, or horror (okay, that's a bit tricky to do in the Sims)
SimmerGeorge
5 years ago
"DaWaterRat;c-17694959" wrote:
"SimmerGeorge;c-17694699" wrote:
"DaWaterRat;c-17694676" wrote:
Yeah... we have very different definitions of "being creative"

And that's from someone who builds worlds for fun (because building the cultures is my favorite part of making worlds.)

@DaWaterRat Building isn't a feature that comes with this pack. It already exists. Also I am talking about actual gameplay and not build and buy, sure could be fun but it's few new objects, that's it.
Also you cannot change the world or customize and have an influence on the culture gameplay. The culture in this world is pre-determinded and can't be changed. Like nothing else in this game. Now the question is what tools do you get to be creative with this pack? I don't see much. It's not a definition problem, sorry.

I don't need tools to be creative. I need ... my imagination, and inspiration for a story. Creativity is not limited to "making things" until you include stories as things.

What I see here is inspiration. A new world to explore is inspiring to me, it gives me new ideas of where to take new stories - or even existing ones. I could do the Rise and Fall of an arrogant sports star or a story of someone reconnecting with their culture - and those are just the two that popped into my head right now.

I do this All the time as a TTRPG GM. I take existing worlds and I create stories in them. I build characters, specific locations within the setting, and then I spin it into a tale of adventure, or romance, or horror (okay, that's a bit tricky to do in the Sims)

@DaWaterRat You might not need them but many people do and they have been a sims-stable forever now. I could play with dolls if I wanted to use only imagination. Giving us tools help us execute the ideas we have in our imagination. This is what people pay money for and this is why this is a video game and not dolls.
If you look at the previous Sims games and how much freedom they let you have, even some packs from the Sims 4 did that better. Like GtW with retail. Sure you can "imagine" one of your Sims has a bakery for example, but isn't it much better to actually be able to execute it? That's the point right here.
DaWaterRat
New Vanguard
5 years ago
"SimmerGeorge;c-17694997" wrote:
"DaWaterRat;c-17694959" wrote:
"SimmerGeorge;c-17694699" wrote:
"DaWaterRat;c-17694676" wrote:
Yeah... we have very different definitions of "being creative"

And that's from someone who builds worlds for fun (because building the cultures is my favorite part of making worlds.)

@DaWaterRat Building isn't a feature that comes with this pack. It already exists. Also I am talking about actual gameplay and not build and buy, sure could be fun but it's few new objects, that's it.
Also you cannot change the world or customize and have an influence on the culture gameplay. The culture in this world is pre-determinded and can't be changed. Like nothing else in this game. Now the question is what tools do you get to be creative with this pack? I don't see much. It's not a definition problem, sorry.

I don't need tools to be creative. I need ... my imagination, and inspiration for a story. Creativity is not limited to "making things" until you include stories as things.

What I see here is inspiration. A new world to explore is inspiring to me, it gives me new ideas of where to take new stories - or even existing ones. I could do the Rise and Fall of an arrogant sports star or a story of someone reconnecting with their culture - and those are just the two that popped into my head right now.

I do this All the time as a TTRPG GM. I take existing worlds and I create stories in them. I build characters, specific locations within the setting, and then I spin it into a tale of adventure, or romance, or horror (okay, that's a bit tricky to do in the Sims)

@DaWaterRat You might not need them but many people do and they have been a sims-stable forever now. I could play with dolls if I wanted to use only imagination. Giving us tools help us execute the ideas we have in our imagination. This is what people pay money for and this is why this is a video game and not dolls.
If you look at the previous Sims games and how much freedom they let you have, even some packs from the Sims 4 did that better. Like GtW with retail. Sure you can "imagine" one of your Sims has a bakery for example, but isn't it much better to actually be able to execute it? That's the point right here.

I never played the previous games, and honestly, the more people harp on about them, the less I want to.

Is it better if you can execute it? Maybe. But maybe not if the game is assuming that your "fun" is in dealing with parts that you don't find fun (like managing employees).

But this is why I say we have different definitions of Creative. Mine isn't as narrow as yours, that's all.

But I'm done here. Enjoy your complaint thread.
SimmerGeorge
5 years ago
"DaWaterRat;c-17695081" wrote:
"SimmerGeorge;c-17694997" wrote:
"DaWaterRat;c-17694959" wrote:
"SimmerGeorge;c-17694699" wrote:
"DaWaterRat;c-17694676" wrote:
Yeah... we have very different definitions of "being creative"

And that's from someone who builds worlds for fun (because building the cultures is my favorite part of making worlds.)

@DaWaterRat Building isn't a feature that comes with this pack. It already exists. Also I am talking about actual gameplay and not build and buy, sure could be fun but it's few new objects, that's it.
Also you cannot change the world or customize and have an influence on the culture gameplay. The culture in this world is pre-determinded and can't be changed. Like nothing else in this game. Now the question is what tools do you get to be creative with this pack? I don't see much. It's not a definition problem, sorry.

I don't need tools to be creative. I need ... my imagination, and inspiration for a story. Creativity is not limited to "making things" until you include stories as things.

What I see here is inspiration. A new world to explore is inspiring to me, it gives me new ideas of where to take new stories - or even existing ones. I could do the Rise and Fall of an arrogant sports star or a story of someone reconnecting with their culture - and those are just the two that popped into my head right now.

I do this All the time as a TTRPG GM. I take existing worlds and I create stories in them. I build characters, specific locations within the setting, and then I spin it into a tale of adventure, or romance, or horror (okay, that's a bit tricky to do in the Sims)

@DaWaterRat You might not need them but many people do and they have been a sims-stable forever now. I could play with dolls if I wanted to use only imagination. Giving us tools help us execute the ideas we have in our imagination. This is what people pay money for and this is why this is a video game and not dolls.
If you look at the previous Sims games and how much freedom they let you have, even some packs from the Sims 4 did that better. Like GtW with retail. Sure you can "imagine" one of your Sims has a bakery for example, but isn't it much better to actually be able to execute it? That's the point right here.

I never played the previous games, and honestly, the more people harp on about them, the less I want to.

Is it better if you can execute it? Maybe. But maybe not if the game is assuming that your "fun" is in dealing with parts that you don't find fun (like managing employees).

But this is why I say we have different definitions of Creative. Mine isn't as narrow as yours, that's all.

But I'm done here. Enjoy your complaint thread.

@DaWaterRat Wow okay, someone isn't up for conversation. Sorry you feel that way. I don't have a narrow perception of creativity. I just wanted to express the lack of freedom those packs come with and how much more they could over but just don't.

I'm sorry that this is a video game and not make believe. And if you don't want to try out the previous games just because people praise them and compare them to the Sims 4 then I'm sorry but that's your loss.