Is TS5 being announced soon?
I posted the same poll back in 2018 and people overwhelmingly voted no, and they were absolutely right. Now that we're halfway through 2020, what do people think about TS5 now? Is it being announced soon?
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"@ClarionOfJoy;c-17567218" wrote:
Lol, the fact that greedy EA is only willing to give away a TS3 stuff pack for free just tells me that they think the TS3 basegame is doing too well for them to want to give it away. Also giving that particular TS3 stuffpack away just confirmed to me that EA only gives away stuff that isn't selling well - the Townlife SP, although a good stuff pack, wasn't a stuff pack that a lot of people didn't think was essential.
"Only" a stuff pack lol. You realize that a TS3 stuff pack costs the same as a TS4 game pack, right? :D
And Town Life was merely 2.5 years old when EA gave it away for free. Both Outdoor Retreat and Spa Day are 5 years old now and have never been free :D"@ClarionOfJoy;c-17567218" wrote:
Even when they gave away the TS4 basegame, it still didn't work. People still didn't want buy the packs for the game.
Didn't work according to who? You? ;)
Imagine pulling things out of thin air and expecting people to believe you :D
Both EA CEO and CFO were happy that the base game giveaway boosted Island Living' sales, making it one of the best-selling EPs just after one month."@ClarionOfJoy;c-17567218" wrote:
*Rolling eyes* Yeah, no one believes that anymore. Next!
Lol SimGurus flat out told us that TS4 is the "best selling, most successful Sims game to date". What's your evidence for accusing them of lying?
Oh wait you don't have any evidence. You're just in denial. "No no no! How could my precious TS3 get outsold by TS4! I'm so angry!! I don't wanna believe it's true!!!" :D"elelunicy;c-17567228" wrote:
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"Only" a stuff pack lol. You realize that a TS3 stuff pack costs the same as a TS4 game pack, right? :D
Stuff packs in The Sims 3 had a lot more "stuff" than in the Sims 4. That's what explains the price.
@elelunicy also I gave you several factors of how the marketing is affecting the game's sales and you still negate them.
Also better sales doesn't equal better game. I'll sign that for you."SimmerGeorge;c-17566478" wrote:
@elelunicy To be honest with you this has become too much text and too off-topic but there was never in any Sims game DLC listed in the main menu of the game with sales up to 75% almost every week. FYI I can't even find a single EP for The Sims 3 under 10 Euros in used condition let alone a new one. Not even Store content is ever on sale. You basically said yourself The Sims 3 doesn't go on sale anymore.
Lol TS3 EPs can be found for $5 easily back when people were still play that game. You think 75% off is a lot? $5 is a whopping 88% off when you consider EPs were originally $40 each.
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Also, TS3 EPs all had permanent price reduction from $40 to $20 within a few years of their releases. Get to Work is over 5 years old now and its full price is still $40."@SimmerGeorge;c-17566478" wrote:
Bash The Sims 3 all you want at least it brought innovation, something The Sims 4 has failed to do.
What innovations? Don't say Open World or Create-A-Style cause that's gonna make me laugh :D
So much stuff in TS3 base game like objects and animations were literally copy & pasted from TS2 and it's honestly beyond embarrassing."SimmerGeorge;c-17566478" wrote:
About the store content I explained to you exactly why it didn't sell and EA decided to call it something familiar and made it into Stuff Packs so people don't have to make accounts, buy points and btw in 2009-2013 a lot less people were brave enough to use their credit cards online. At least in my country.
Amazing. EA was desperate enough to put store ads straight into CAS/build mode, and yet it still didn't sell :D
https://i.imgur.com/Eu2Qsn5.jpg"SimmerGeorge;c-17566478" wrote:
Lol, when the devs themselves complain about the limited budget and time then there is a big problem. For a game that sells so much there should be more money invested in making it better. With limitations to keep it under control sure but still more. You know where all our money goes to? To freaking Vanessa Hudgens and all those other celebs that get paid to advertise the game. EA is spending so much cash on advertisments they could spend some in the actual game as well.
The devs are not complaining; they're educating people who're clueless about game development about budget and time restrictions, which exist in all properly managed video game projects."SimmerGeorge;c-17566478" wrote:
The Sims 4 is good in selling itself it is however lacking in other areas.
TS2 & TS3 were lacking in sales AND many other areas."elelunicy;c-17567251" wrote:
"SimmerGeorge;c-17566478" wrote:
@elelunicy To be honest with you this has become too much text and too off-topic but there was never in any Sims game DLC listed in the main menu of the game with sales up to 75% almost every week. FYI I can't even find a single EP for The Sims 3 under 10 Euros in used condition let alone a new one. Not even Store content is ever on sale. You basically said yourself The Sims 3 doesn't go on sale anymore.
Lol TS3 EPs can be found for $5 easily back when people were still play that game. You think 75% off is a lot? $5 is a whopping 88% off when you consider EPs were originally $40 each.
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Also, TS3 EPs all had permanent price reduction from $40 to $20 within a few years of their releases. Get to Work is over 5 years old now and its full price is still $40."@SimmerGeorge;c-17566478" wrote:
Bash The Sims 3 all you want at least it brought innovation, something The Sims 4 has failed to do.
What innovations? Don't say Open World or Create-A-Style cause that's gonna make me laugh :D
So much stuff in TS3 base game like objects and animations were literally copy & pasted from TS2 and it's honestly beyond embarrassing."SimmerGeorge;c-17566478" wrote:
About the store content I explained to you exactly why it didn't sell and EA decided to call it something familiar and made it into Stuff Packs so people don't have to make accounts, buy points and btw in 2009-2013 a lot less people were brave enough to use their credit cards online. At least in my country.
Amazing. EA was desperate enough to put store ads straight into CAS/build mode, and yet it still didn't sell :D
https://i.imgur.com/Eu2Qsn5.jpg"SimmerGeorge;c-17566478" wrote:
Lol, when the devs themselves complain about the limited budget and time then there is a big problem. For a game that sells so much there should be more money invested in making it better. With limitations to keep it under control sure but still more. You know where all our money goes to? To freaking Vanessa Hudgens and all those other celebs that get paid to advertise the game. EA is spending so much cash on advertisments they could spend some in the actual game as well.
The devs are not complaining; they're educating people who're clueless about game development about budget and time restrictions, which exist in all properly managed video game projects."SimmerGeorge;c-17566478" wrote:
The Sims 4 is good in selling itself it is however lacking in other areas.
TS2 & TS3 were lacking in sales AND many other areas.
That's steam and online, when I bought the sims 3 I knew nothing about steam and bought most of the cds in stores and the games are still at 19.99 plus the expansions. A lot people still prefer to buy physical copies of a game instead digital download and will grab what is the closet to them unless they have no choice but to buy offline. Did you forget that sims 4 just copy and pasted the conservation career out island living just to make eco lifestyles and slapped 40 dollar price tag on it? For the 20th birthday they gave you a recolored hot tub and have snatched a lot decor items and clothing out packs and recolored them so you cant call out sims 2 or 3 for that when sims 4 is doing the same. In fact, ifsims 4 had a color wheel they wouldnt feel the to copy, recolor items so much. Sims 4 is also recycling animation..And yes the color wheel and open world were great innovations even though they had issues. Compared to sims 4. The sims 2 and 3 were definitely not lacking in sales when they were first released and sold millions within their first days/week of released and still selling. The sims 4 are no were close if wasnt for the game constantly going on sale, been given away for free, and dropped in price multiple times throughout its 6 years of life. It took them 10 years to give away sims 2 and sims 3 still hasn't been released at all. So even at an 88 percent discount on steam/online it's still to much for a game that old. There should been a complete sims 3 collection at 5 to 10 or just free."@BrittanyChick22;c-17567666" wrote:
That's steam and online, when I bought the sims 3 I knew nothing about steam and bought most of the cds in stores and the games are still at 19.99 plus the expansions. A lot people still prefer to buy physical copies of a game instead digital download and will grab what is the closet to them unless they have no choice but to buy offline.
LOL are you seriously suggesting that TS3 only went on sale online and not in stores?
Don't forget TS3 EPs were originally $40 each. The $20 permanent price reduction applied to physical copies as well. Think TS4 EPs are on sale too often? TS3 EPs were literally on sale permanently for 50% off just after a few short years.
Into The Future was permanently reduced to $20 in less than one year. 5.5 years later Get to Work's full price is still $40 :D
https://i.imgur.com/pJw1SE1.png"@BrittanyChick22;c-17567666" wrote:
Did you forget that sims 4 just copy and pasted the conservation career out island living just to make eco lifestyles and slapped 40 dollar price tag on it?
Oh really then I guess TS3 just copy & pasted the time machine & SimBots from Ambitions and made it Into The Future & slapped 40 dollar price tag on it.
"@BrittanyChick22;c-17567666" wrote:
For the 20th birthday they gave you a recolored hot tub and have snatched a lot decor items and clothing out packs and recolored them so you cant call out sims 2 or 3 for that when sims 4 is doing the same.
Oh really I didn't realize a few recolored items are the same thing as a $20 pack. How generous of EA to give us a whole game pack worth of content for free :D"@BrittanyChick22;c-17567666" wrote:
And yes the color wheel and open world were great innovations even though they had issues
Just because something wasn't in TS1/TS2 does NOT mean it's an innovation. If that were the case, TS4 would have tons of innovation as there are many, many features in TS4 that were not in TS1/TS2/TS3.
Open world and color wheel were not innovations just for the simple fact that they had been done to death in other games. Innovations require new, original, and unique ideas. TS3 meanwhile was just copying other games. Even games from the 90s had open world and/or color wheel. TS3 was late to the party, and yet still implemented them so horribly and caused so many issues to the point EA had to remove them in TS4. The whole thing was just a complete failure."@BrittanyChick22;c-17567666" wrote:
Compared to sims 4. The sims 2 and 3 were definitely not lacking in sales when they were first released and sold millions within their first days/week of released and still selling. The sims 4 are no were close if wasnt for the game constantly going on sale, been given away for free, and dropped in price multiple times throughout its 6 years of life.
TS4 has generated the most revenue of any Sims game at close to $1.5 billion. Your excuse "but but TS4 was on sale and given for free!!" doesn't even matter as copies on sale don't generate as much revenue, and free copies don't generate revenue at all.
Oh and don't forget both TS2 and TS3 were on sale all the time and had price reduced more times than TS4. Even 6 years later EA has only permanently reduced TS4 base game's price from $60 and $40. Meanwhile TS3 base game and all TS3 EPs were permanently reduced to $20 in a much shorter span of time."ClarionOfJoy;c-17566064" wrote:
"LiELF;c-17565352" wrote:
"ClarionOfJoy;c-17565226" wrote:
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"LeGardePourpre;c-17561583" wrote:
As Andrew said the TS4 community keep on growing year after year, so The Sims 4 is extended by 5 or 6 years20142015(64-bit)20162017(Console)20182019(Rebranded) (Legacy Edition and 64-bit only/macOS Catalina)- 2020 (Steam)
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Yes, they've already said that there's years left and that was what 6 mnts ago.
They're just saying all that so you'll keep buying The Sims 4 stuff until the very last minute. I'm glad I didn't get pulled into that, lol!
That doesn't even make sense.
Do you want me to spell it for you? Really?
It wasn't a question, it was a statement. Don't bother trying to explain, I'm not interested in hearing another disingenuous conspiracy based on fantasy, not facts or truth."elelunicy;c-17568009" wrote:
"@BrittanyChick22;c-17567666" wrote:
That's steam and online, when I bought the sims 3 I knew nothing about steam and bought most of the cds in stores and the games are still at 19.99 plus the expansions. A lot people still prefer to buy physical copies of a game instead digital download and will grab what is the closet to them unless they have no choice but to buy offline.
LOL are you seriously suggesting that TS3 only went on sale online and not in stores?
Don't forget TS3 EPs were originally $40 each. The $20 permanent price reduction applied to physical copies as well. Think TS4 EPs are on sale too often? TS3 EPs were literally on sale permanently for 50% off just after a few short years.
Into The Future was permanently reduced to $20 in less than one year. 5.5 years later Get to Work's full price is still $40 :D
https://i.imgur.com/pJw1SE1.png"@BrittanyChick22;c-17567666" wrote:
Did you forget that sims 4 just copy and pasted the conservation career out island living just to make eco lifestyles and slapped 40 dollar price tag on it?
Oh really then I guess TS3 just copy & pasted the time machine & SimBots from Ambitions and made it Into The Future & slapped 40 dollar price tag on it.
"@BrittanyChick22;c-17567666" wrote:
For the 20th birthday they gave you a recolored hot tub and have snatched a lot decor items and clothing out packs and recolored them so you cant call out sims 2 or 3 for that when sims 4 is doing the same.
Oh really I didn't realize a few recolored items are the same thing as a $20 pack. How generous of EA to give us a whole game pack worth of content for free :D"@BrittanyChick22;c-17567666" wrote:
And yes the color wheel and open world were great innovations even though they had issues
Just because something wasn't in TS1/TS2 does NOT mean it's an innovation. If that were the case, TS4 would have tons of innovation as there are many, many features in TS4 that were not in TS1/TS2/TS3.
Open world and color wheel were not innovations just for the simple fact that they had been done to death in other games. Innovations require new, original, and unique ideas. TS3 meanwhile was just copying other games. Even games from the 90s had open world and/or color wheel. TS3 was late to the party, and yet still implemented them so horribly and caused so many issues to the point EA had to remove them in TS4. The whole thing was just a complete failure."@BrittanyChick22;c-17567666" wrote:
Compared to sims 4. The sims 2 and 3 were definitely not lacking in sales when they were first released and sold millions within their first days/week of released and still selling. The sims 4 are no were close if wasnt for the game constantly going on sale, been given away for free, and dropped in price multiple times throughout its 6 years of life.
TS4 has generated the most revenue of any Sims game at close to $1.5 billion. Your excuse "but but TS4 was on sale and given for free!!" doesn't even matter as copies on sale don't generate as much revenue, and free copies don't generate revenue at all.
Oh and don't forget both TS2 and TS3 were on sale all the time and had price reduced more times than TS4. Even 6 years later EA has only permanently reduced TS4 base game's price from $60 and $40. Meanwhile TS3 base game and all TS3 EPs were permanently reduced to $20 in a much shorter span of time.
I'm just gonna say, they didn't "remove" those features in Sims 4. Sims 4 was supposed to be an online game, not a main Sims game, hence why it has instanced lots and had no color wheels, open worlds, etc, and had no toddlers, pools, etc. at launch. They didn't "remove" the features because it was a failure, "Sims 4" was supposed to be an online game. It's also why the sims themselves feel more hollow (which they're supposedly going to fix). YOU were supposed to be the avatar."@Sakia90;c-17568234" wrote:
I'm just gonna say, they didn't "remove" those features in Sims 4. Sims 4 was supposed to be an online game, not a main Sims game, hence why it has instanced lots and had no color wheels, open worlds, etc, and had no toddlers, pools, etc. at launch. They didn't "remove" the features because it was a failure, "Sims 4" was supposed to be an online game.
Just no lol.
First, open world and color wheels have absolutely nothing to do with whether a game is online or not. There are many, many online games that are open world and/or have color wheels. Pools and toddlers also have nothing to with the game being online, especially since the decision to not include pools and toddlers were made well after the game was announced as a single player game only. For example SimGuruGrant said in an interview in September 2013 that the base game was going to have toddlers. Clearly the decision to not include toddlers was made well after that.
Second, being an online game is one of the concepts they explored during TS4's pre-production, and the idea was killed before the game went into full production, effectively meaning that it had no effects on the game at the end. If you're not sure what pre-production/full production means, I've explained it in a different thread."elelunicy;c-17561697" wrote:
Game development is largely divided into two phases:
Pre-Production: This stage is when a small team of producers, designers, and artists create the initial designs and looks of the game. This is a very lengthy process as they will explore many different options, such as different looks and different gameplay mechanics. There will be many debates over what direction the game will take. The plans will be constantly reworked and refined as the higher-ups approve/reject them. Games can spend years in pre-production. For example, EA's Anthem spent over 5 years in pre-production, and TS4 spent over 3 years in pre-production.
Full production: This is when the game has been designed and approved. The whole team will start working following the design documents wrote by designers: engineers will start coding, animators will start animating, artists start creating art assets, etc. This stage of development is very expensive as the entire team is working on the game, so generally it will only last like 12-18 months.
Why does it work this way? Because the full production is very expensive and they cannot change the direction of game in the middle of full production. You simply cannot have engineers coding for 6 months straight, and then ask them to scrap everything they wrote and start over. That'd be a huge waste of money. This is why they need to have everything planned out & approved during the pre-production so that by the time the game enters full production, they know for sure what kind of game they are going to make.
TS4 did not enter full production until early 2013 and the idea of being an online was already killed by the time it entered full production. None of the TS4's shortcomings have anything to do with the online game concept. The online concept only existed in mock-up videos and have never made into an actual game."@Sakia90;c-17568234" wrote:
It's also why the sims themselves feel more hollow (which they're supposedly going to fix). YOU were supposed to be the avatar.
Both TS2 and TS3 Sims are far hollower, despite the fact that TS2/TS3 were never online games."@Horrorgirl6;c-17568260" wrote:
I'm sorry had to laugh at showing steam.Because that was a steam sale.Acousre the prices are reduced to 20.00 dollars.Its a ten year old game.
Lol did you seriously think TS3's price was reduced recently?
Into the Future for example was released in October 2013 and its price was permanently reduced to $20 in September 2014, less than a year later. I guess EA knew that people weren't going to buy TS3 packs anymore after TS4 came out so they were forced to reduce its less-than-one-year-old EP to just $20 :D"elelunicy;c-17568279" wrote:
"@Horrorgirl6;c-17568260" wrote:
I'm sorry had to laugh at showing steam.Because that was a steam sale.Acousre the prices are reduced to 20.00 dollars.Its a ten year old game.
Lol did you seriously think TS3's price was reduced recently?
Into the Future for example was released in October 2013 and its price was permanently reduced to $20 in September 2014, less than a year later. I guess EA knew that people weren't going to buy TS3 packs anymore after TS4 came out so they were forced to reduce its less-than-one-year-old EP to just $20 :D
No, but there is point your forgetting.The reason it was reduce was because it also was 5-6 year old game this happens all the time.When 5 is release 4 is going be reduced.Its not because they thought the game was not going to sell.Due to the fact three is still on steam, and store website has not been shutdown.5 year's later.Irs good indicator that Ea stillgets profit from sims 3.
