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Aerihk's avatar
9 years ago

King and Queen "gendered" Doors with new update

So with the new Sims 4 update, the game's gender system has been completely overhauled. One thing I was curious about after moving my new genderqueer sim in was how this would interact with the gendered doors, known as "Queen's Door" and "King's Door", usually used for single sex bathrooms so only sims of a certain sex can enter. I did a little testing with my cis male sim (man with all setting set to male default), and my non-binary sim ("man" with feminine frame, ability to get pregnant, and pees sitting down). Both were able to pass through both the King and Queen doors without any difficulties, so it seems the restrictions were removed entirely (unless it was just for show and didn't have any special restrictions before the update, but I think they did, and they certainly imply it).

My thoughts on potential updates:
The biggest one for me is in the description of the Queen's Door

  • Only female sims are allowed beyond this door. Any problem with that?

compared to the King's Door

  • Only male sims are allowed beyond this door.

Now while neither is true, as there is no longer a sex restriction, and sex is no longer clear, my issue is with "Any problem with that?", which appears only for the females' door, and is unnecessarily aggressive. Unfortunately it bears the disturbing reality that many trans women face, where using either single-sex bathroom can (and frequently does) mean facing violence of any and every kind. As such, that phrase can be very triggering for people, and as it doesn't resonate with the welcoming attitude of the new overhaul, it has no place.

Regarding functionality and appearance:
Right now, the doors serve no purpose as special doors, as they don't actually function any differently than any other doors. I see 3 potential things that could be done with them

  • remove them
  • keep them for aesthetics/non-functioning role-play
  • adjust their function to the new update

    The first 2 are fairly self-explanatory, but there are some different options for adjusting their function. As sex is no longer clearly defined, they can't exactly just be returned to their previous functioning. If they're going to sort Sims, as they're primarily used for bathrooms, most logical would be sorting based on whether they stand or sit to pee, and possibly reflecting that on the doors with an image of a urinal and toilet, instead of the irrelevant man/woman symbols. They could also possibly use a name update that no longer reflects gender. Alternatively, they could sort based on gender, or possibly reproduction setting, where sims who can't reproduce can use either door, if the purpose is to prevent pregnancies.


    Anyways, those are my thoughts on it, share what you think (be kind), and hopefully we can get a mini-update for them.
    • "luthienrising;14873519" wrote:
      "Polyrhythm;14873289" wrote:
      "Aerihk;14873167" wrote:
      Oddly enough, my cis-male sim is set that he can pee standing up, but I have yet to see him do so. I'm starting to wonder if that feature wasn't implemented properly, or as intended.

      Males apparently don't need to pee much lol. It's been like that for a while where they sit more often than stand.


      My recollection of the developers' explanation is that the sit/stand choice depends on how far down the need has gotten. That's since launch.


      ah, okay. I guess I just need to let them pee more often then
    • "HowGreatThouArt;14876599" wrote:
      I'd like to keep those doors functioning as they are, since they're useful when creating working, separate bathrooms. And I believe there is a general bathroom door already in game where either sex can enter.

      Perhaps they can release a modified door that will look the same but have the functions you desire, and leave the previous doors be for those who still want them.


      Right now the doors won't create "working, separate bathrooms". They don't have that special functioning since the update. One of the changes I suggested, of making it filter based on gender is referring to the main "sex" distinguisher it's usually based on, essentially giving it back its original function. The changes recommendations were changes to how it is now, not necessarily giving it a different purpose/function to how it was originally.
    • "S100Headache;14876974" wrote:
      "luthienrising;14873519" wrote:
      "Polyrhythm;14873289" wrote:
      "Aerihk;14873167" wrote:
      Oddly enough, my cis-male sim is set that he can pee standing up, but I have yet to see him do so. I'm starting to wonder if that feature wasn't implemented properly, or as intended.

      Males apparently don't need to pee much lol. It's been like that for a while where they sit more often than stand.


      My recollection of the developers' explanation is that the sit/stand choice depends on how far down the need has gotten. That's since launch.

      I like to call it the Poop Threshold. Back in my modding days, I lowered it.


      Thank you. This made my day for some reason.
    • "Aerihk;14877755" wrote:
      "HowGreatThouArt;14876599" wrote:
      I'd like to keep those doors functioning as they are, since they're useful when creating working, separate bathrooms. And I believe there is a general bathroom door already in game where either sex can enter.

      Perhaps they can release a modified door that will look the same but have the functions you desire, and leave the previous doors be for those who still want them.


      Right now the doors won't create "working, separate bathrooms". They don't have that special functioning since the update. One of the changes I suggested, of making it filter based on gender is referring to the main "sex" distinguisher it's usually based on, essentially giving it back its original function. The changes recommendations were changes to how it is now, not necessarily giving it a different purpose/function to how it was originally.


      Okay, I guess I misunderstood the last part of your post. :)
    • so what if some people want their male as female-looking sim wants to use a toilet in the woman's washroom or have their mascule looking female (Especially if they 'stand to pee') to use a male washroom?
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