Let's watch: The Sims 4 Eco Lifestyle Livestream (May 21st, 11AM PT)

"MikkiMikkiMikkiM;c-17516914" wrote:

"simrhino;c-17515297" wrote:


• The host, SimGuruGeorge, and the gameplay shown suggested that increased energy production might justify environmental destruction. “There are positives to being this way (polluted.)” he said, suggesting there are other “positives” to the pack’s “industrial eco-footprint.” I was expecting promotion of “green” capitalist “solutions” (smog vacuum, anyone? wind? solar?) to environmental problems from a pack like this, but the team being so bold as to act as apologists for polluters comes as something of a surprise from a franchise that makes efforts to brand itself as woke. We got the gender update. We have Non-Simlish t-shirts scattered throughout CAS as the result of PR partnerships with various advocacy organizations. The insane trait became erratic, though it still retains a straitjacket icon, still a point of contention. “Pollution’s not all bad.” is not the message to be sending. In 2020, to suggest that business as usual is at all a viable approach to address climate change is not just an absurd but a damaging message. I could write much more on this but it would exceed the scope of these forums. That’s a topic for someone’s video essay.

I think the first point you made, and the one you ended with, is very valid. This one, however, seems a bit of a reach. There are positives to the pollution in the game. When they are talking during a livestream, they are talking about the game, not reality. And in reality, there are 'positives' to pollution too, if you are a capitalist. No one is promoting pollution irl, they are just discussing gameplay. Just like if you have the 'evil' trait, being an ???? has positives too, yet no one is pretending that is how you should be behaving irl.

'Apologists for polluters'? What? Okay this is new. :lol:

Are people forgetting that this is the Sims, a sandbox game, and having the option to choose between industrial or green is the beauty of it? Giving simmers the option to have an industrial world is an excellent feature, and it was what simmers want. They want options and freedom to create environments for their stories. I have seen lots of simmers on here excited about pollution, but that doesn't mean they will go out and dump trash in rivers.

Having a green world won't be appreciated if you didn't have an industrial or polluted world.

The devs are not giving out bad messages nor do they have a hidden agenda - they are just adding more options and gameplay to what is a sandbox game.

I agree with you Mikki. And I apologise simrhino if I have missed your point, but if I haven't, you are looking way too far into this.

About the conversation above regarding positiveness of pollution: the way I understood it, the "positive effects" were in regards to using the items which have an industrial footprint (and thus negatively affect pollution) instead of those with a green footprint.
So it's not "pollution is good" but "technology isn't all bad".

In my opinion, calling the team "pollution apologists" is way too big a leap from game mechanics to the real world.

The devs gave us what i think simmers want: different angles to build our own stories. If they did the pack with only the 'save the planet' point of view people would be upset because we wouldn't have options...

"telmarina;c-17517145" wrote:
The devs gave us what i think simmers want: different angles to build our own stories. If they did the pack with only the 'save the planet' point of view people would be upset because we wouldn't have options...

Always better to have options!

I love the idea of piling up the trash and having a rubbish filled world. But never irl. I am a very outdoorsy person and love nature, hiking, canoeing and am always dismayed when I see any rubbish left behind by unthinking people. But the game is just a game, we can do all sorts of things in the Sims 4 I would never dream of doing irl.

I cannot wait until it comes out, at first I was grossed out seeing the little grubs, but heck my sims have eaten bugs roasted over the campfire so they can do this! Would be interesting to make a squeamish sim and see how hard it is to accomplish all these things. I really cannot wait to finally make my hippie sim that can live fully off grid, have a massive garden to grow everything they need from flowers to ingredients, collect and keep all that i can (since I think it was mentioned eggs can be used to make dye?) maybe make her a witch this time and she just keeps using her potion to stay young. Learning to live off the land, getting eco-friendly and try to make it a witchy home could be a challenge thats a fun build to make. I am really excited for this and can't wait! There were so many things mentioned I know I am forgetting some of the other things that made me pre-order it right after the original trailer, and then after seeing LiveStream I do not regret it. Hope the days go by so fast!!!! Thank you Sim Guru's you are awesome and this was definitely a surprise but a welcome one!

i can't wait for this new pack but there is a few things i would like to know, we know about the two degrees that goes with civil designer career but what degree goes with what side, and we don't even know the top pay for level 10 or what some of the rewards that comes with this career, there's not much we know about it, we may have to just wait until we get the pack to know something,

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> * Edit: there is also the possibility of Sims finding perfectly good quality food in the dumpster, it just happened to be spoiled in the livestream, doesn't mean that all food they find will be spoiled.

If it isn't always spoiled, that's not so bad. To the other points, I do expect goofiness from the game, and I recognize its sandbox nature. As I noted, these are impressions based on the livestream. It will probably take a bit of time with the pack to form a solid opinion.

Does anyone know if the firemen are NPC or a career?

"bandcampsquirrel;c-17519670" wrote:
Does anyone know if the firemen are NPC or a career?

The gurus answered this. They are NPCs as in The Sims 2. However, they didn't rule out the idea of an active firefighting career in the future. I personally hope they bring it back, as it was one of my favourite active careers in TS3.

"simfriend1968;c-17519747" wrote:

"bandcampsquirrel;c-17519670" wrote:
Does anyone know if the firemen are NPC or a career?

The gurus answered this. They are NPCs as in The Sims 2. However, they didn't rule out the idea of an active firefighting career in the future. I personally hope they bring it back, as it was one of my favourite active careers in TS3.

Thanks for answering me, it gets confusing trying to find answers from so many different sources, lol. Also, firefighting career was my favorite too :smiley: