LGR Nifty Knitting Review

"SimmerGeorge;c-17597105" wrote:
Well comparing one thing to something worse is another way of trying to defend it. Saying oh yeah the Sims 4 has so much DLC bit people who play flight simulators pay 80$ for an airplane. Sure there are worse and more greedy games and companies but that does not make the Sims 4 any better.
If I broke my left foot it doesn't mean I wouldn't be sad just because someone else broke both feet...

Also I think some of you don't understand where LGR is coming from. His problem is not just that this pack was not well done. It's the whole concept of having 10$ packs with content that could be pack of an EP. A good example is the fact that I have seasons but I have no ice creams because I've creams came with freaking cool kitchen stuff which was supposed to offer kitchen stuff but instead came with ice creams.

Again just because things are more "fleshed-out" which many times they are not with the exception of vampires (which was more in depth) doesn't mean it good to split everything apart in smaller DLC to make it more "in-depth". More in depth vampires? Okay maybe but more in depth knitting? ????? Like I said previously are we going to get more in depth pooping in a 10$ pack as well?

Also another problem that he has is with the number of stuff packs. 17 stuff packs compared to the 9EPs and 8GPs means they are spending a lot of time and money in those tiny stuff packs than in other more gameplay changing DLC and also than in game updates which are super important since there are things missing for 6 years now but nope it's knitting guys.

And even if we knew that the voting only produces gameplay elements that are small and narrow it again doesn't make it any better.

For those reasons I think his judgement of the pack is totally justified and I don't think he just didn't give it time. I think he judged the pack less on the little details and more on the big picture and that is something I respect because there are way to many reviewers like "oh you can attach the two desks, this pack is so awesome".

I'm not comparing it to something "worse". I, in no means, think that flight simulator or the prices of it are "worse". They are more expensive but if someone spends more time on it than I do on Sims, it's worth it for them. It may be they have more money than me, it may be they have more gaming time than me and in the end pay less per hour than I do on Sims, making it better. It just depends on the person's enjoyment, time, etc. I mean, yeah for me it'd be a huge waste because I don't enjoy the game, but for someone who loves it, not at all.
I'm simply responding to the comment that simmers are the "ONLY community who defends spending $700 for one game". That's simply not true. There are more. Flight Simulator came to mind as an example first because I have several close friends/family who spend a lot more on it than I could on Sims, but it's not the only other game people pay a lot for either. THere are many, so to say the Sims is the only one that costs this much is untrue.

And I'd WAY rather in-depth knitting over in-depth vampires lol. Diff people like diff themes. Enough people wanted knitting apparently since it won the vote. It wasn't my first choice, but it was second and I love the pack. ( my first choice was the fitbit stuff option, giving sims smartwatches and tracking steps.)

His judgement of the pack IS justified, I agree with that. The judgements of people who disagree with him are also justified. The fact that there are 17 game packs is indeed a fact and he is correct in his counting. The opinion that having 17 stuff packs is a bad thing however is not a fact. TBH, I'd be happy with hundreds more stuff packs. I wouldn't be able to BUY hundreds, but it'd be great for having loads of options and picking/choosing which ones I wanted and which ones I didn't. I don't like using CC so I love getting these small packs that don't cost so much to add a few new cas/build items into my game.

"SimmerGeorge;c-17597105" wrote:
Well comparing one thing to something worse is another way of trying to defend it. Saying oh yeah the Sims 4 has so much DLC bit people who play flight simulators pay 80$ for an airplane. Sure there are worse and more greedy games and companies but that does not make the Sims 4 any better.
If I broke my left foot it doesn't mean I wouldn't be sad just because someone else broke both feet...

Also I think some of you don't understand where LGR is coming from. His problem is not just that this pack was not well done. It's the whole concept of having 10$ packs with content that could be part of an EP. A good example is the fact that I have seasons but I have no ice creams because ice creams came with freaking cool kitchen stuff which was supposed to offer kitchen stuff but instead came with ice creams.

Again just because things are more "fleshed-out" which many times they are not with the exception of vampires (which was more in depth) doesn't mean it is good to split everything apart in smaller DLC to make it more "in-depth". More in depth vampires? Okay maybe, but more in depth knitting? ????? Like I said previously are we going to get more in depth pooping in a 10$ pack as well?

Also another problem that he has is with the number of stuff packs. 17 stuff packs compared to the 9EPs and 8GPs means they are spending a lot of time and money in those tiny stuff packs than in other more gameplay changing DLC and also than in game updates which are super important since there are things missing for 6 years now but nope it's knitting guys.

And even if we knew that the voting only produces gameplay elements that are small and narrow it again doesn't make it any better.

For those reasons I think his judgement of the pack is totally justified and I don't think he just didn't give it time. I think he judged the pack less on the little details and more on the big picture and that is something I respect because there are way to many reviewers like "oh you can attach the two desks, this pack is so awesome".

We have so much fewer SPs these last two years than we had before, and many more EPs and GPs. Just like people asked. And the quality of them has improved as a result.

But more importantly, you kind of take people's arguments out of context.

This may come as a shock to you, but some people do actually find enjoyment with this game. Not because they have nothing different or better to play but because after playing other things (great games like TLoU, RDR2, God of War, AC, ......) we always find our way back to the sims. There is no game in my library that I have played more, despite having a nice catalog of games I really enjoy as well. And at the end of the day, that is what matters to me and what I base my purchasing decisions on, not what SimmerGeorge forcefully tries to argue for hours on end, not what LGR things, not what James Turner thinks. No amount of discussion will change that process because it's been working great for me. So hey, there must be something there that is enjoyable. Else I wouldn't do it.

"SimTrippy;c-17597124" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17597105" wrote:
Well comparing one thing to something worse is another way of trying to defend it. Saying oh yeah the Sims 4 has so much DLC bit people who play flight simulators pay 80$ for an airplane. Sure there are worse and more greedy games and companies but that does not make the Sims 4 any better.
If I broke my left foot it doesn't mean I wouldn't be sad just because someone else broke both feet...

Also I think some of you don't understand where LGR is coming from. His problem is not just that this pack was not well done. It's the whole concept of having 10$ packs with content that could be part of an EP. A good example is the fact that I have seasons but I have no ice creams because ice creams came with freaking cool kitchen stuff which was supposed to offer kitchen stuff but instead came with ice creams.

Again just because things are more "fleshed-out" which many times they are not with the exception of vampires (which was more in depth) doesn't mean it is good to split everything apart in smaller DLC to make it more "in-depth". More in depth vampires? Okay maybe, but more in depth knitting? ????? Like I said previously are we going to get more in depth pooping in a 10$ pack as well?

Also another problem that he has is with the number of stuff packs. 17 stuff packs compared to the 9EPs and 8GPs means they are spending a lot of time and money in those tiny stuff packs than in other more gameplay changing DLC and also than in game updates which are super important since there are things missing for 6 years now but nope it's knitting guys.

And even if we knew that the voting only produces gameplay elements that are small and narrow it again doesn't make it any better.

For those reasons I think his judgement of the pack is totally justified and I don't think he just didn't give it time. I think he judged the pack less on the little details and more on the big picture and that is something I respect because there are way to many reviewers like "oh you can attach the two desks, this pack is so awesome".

We have so much fewer SPs these last two years than we had before, and many more EPs and GPs. Just like people asked. And the quality of them has improved as a result.

But more importantly, you kind of take people's arguments out of context.

This may come as a shock to you, but some people do actually find enjoyment with this game. Not because they have nothing different or better to play but because after playing other things (great games like TLoU, RDR2, God of War, AC, ......) we always find our way back to the sims. There is no game in my library that I have played more, despite having a nice catalog of games I really enjoy as well. And at the end of the day, that is what matters to me and what I base my purchasing decisions on, not what SimmerGeorge forcefully tries to argue for hours on end, not what LGR things, not what James Turner thinks. No amount of discussion will change that process because it's been working great for me. So hey, there must be something there that is enjoyable. Else I wouldn't do it.

@SimTrippy Girl I ain't trying to change anyone's mind here. I'm just defending LGR's position in this whole thing when people say his review isn't useful. That's all. I didn't say you play no other games. I play other games too, welcome to gaming.
Also finding enjoyment in the game doesn't mean I'm gonna like everything that comes out of it or I'm never going to be critical of it. I am of course dissapointed I had to get a whole 10$ pack to get butlers for my famous sims. I am dissapointed I have to buy a whole pack for ice creams I want for seasons. I am dissapointed I have to buy MFPS to have small pets instead of having them in the Cats and Dogs expansion pack. And this time around I am also very dissapointed there hasn't been a hobbies EP or GP yet so If I want a hobby I have to get this 10$ pack.

Also, you think we are getting less Stuff packs than EPs and GPs? Let's check the facts. Since August 2019 (so one year ago) we got 2 EPs, 1 GP but guess what whole 3SPs. Also if the quality of EPs and GPs increased is another topic, because again to some it didn't.

I am not trying to change your mind about this, if you love this stuff pack go ahead, do your thing. I am only saying sometimes, some Simmers don't look at the whole picture of what they are buying but rather the one small detail and I just wanted to maybe make some people aware of that, as LGR also does. If you are aware of those things and don't care, well that's something you should be at peace with.

"SimmerGeorge;c-17597128" wrote:
@SimTrippy Girl I ain't trying to change anyone's mind here. if you love this stuff pack go ahead, do your thing. I am only saying sometimes, some Simmers don't look at the whole picture of what they are buying but rather the one small detail and I just wanted to maybe make some people aware of that, as LGR also does. If you are aware of those things and don't care, well that's something you should be at peace with.

Sentences like these would be far more credible if they didn't follow statements like this:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17596334" wrote:
But the question is how can you be interested in knitting?

Stuff packs in the Sims 5 will probably be like "The Sims 5 poopy toilet stuff" now with more in-depth gameplay than ever!
And people will be like "yeah we had pooping in the previous games but never as fleshed out so I will gladly pay 10 bucks".

Don't insult people's intelligence, and they might be more inclined to engage in these discussions with you. No, I would not pay for or defend a pooping pack any more than I'd pay for 95% of the TS3 store content, on which I've spent exactly 5 euros and not a single cent more. You know why? Because I do exactly what you keep accusing TS4 simmers of not being able to do. I look at the content, see how much is in the pack and what value I think it brings to my game, judge if I think it's worth the price, and then buy it or not. Now, this could tell you 2 things but you'll only focus on one of them.

Here's what you're probably about to type: "Just because the TS3 store was bad doesn't mean it's okay for TS4 to have so many SPs! That is what LGR says and because I agree and two people have this opinion, I must be right!"

Here's what it actually means: if I though TS4 SPs were as bad as, or strongly comparable, to TS3 store content, I wouldn't buy them. It's that simple for me. Because although the TS3 store has some good things, most of it is ugly (to me, personally), stuck in what are quite essentially lackluster packs as well, and actually lock a lot of gameplay I would've liked to have in TS3 (like farming items). Which makes me wonder: if we do actually get a farming pack in TS4, will people finally be able to see that just because an item didn't come with the exact same pack as last time, it won't automatically be part of a "bad SP"? We didn't get a bug farming SP, did we? Or a herbalism SP? Or candle making?

Look, I respect your opinion. Trust me when I say that I can be PLENTY critical of this game, and generally really like LGR's content, I just don't feel the need to agree with everything he says (kinda like I think Supernatural is one of the best TS3 packs ever, he definitely wouldn't rank it very high). I've been perfectly able to make my own decisions for my past 20 years of gaming, so please stop using condescending statements about what I, weak TS4 simmer, would accept as content from EA because I'm oh so desperate, or that I "just don't see what EA is doing to this franchise". I will never understand why some people think we're just blindly defending something for no reason and that no one is actually enjoying this game or actively playing it because "it's oh so boring" when my nearly 2000 hours of playtime (and I started 2 years late) not just suggest otherwise, they're a number no other game I've played so far can really match.

Ah right and before I forget: in 2019 we had 1 SP, 2 EPs, 2 GPs. Looks like in 2020 we'll get 2 SPs , 1 GP, 2 EPs. Yeah that's not so bad, is it? Especially compared to 2017 and 2016 where we didn't yet get 2 EPs a year, and way more SPs. Which we all rightfully complained about and the content release schedule has vastly improved. Being able to give credit sometimes doesn't hurt either.

@SimTrippy I am not insulting anyone's intelligence I am just overexaggerating to make my point clear. It's called a "hyperbole" and it's used in written and spoken word.
Also some of the things I imply, I do imply because Simmers say them themselves. I'm just going to quote a YouTube top comment on one of the Game Changers reviews of this pack:

"me: not really a fan of this pack
also me: will buy it immediately once it’s released" 727 likes

I personally would not do this and I always try to share my opinion on statements like this especially after packs like these are released. But 727 likes just on one comment means so many Simmers do this, that it is becoming a problem. People EA only listens to money so if you want to give feedback give it with your money or they won't listen!

Also

"SimTrippy;c-17597178" wrote:


Here's what you're probably about to type: "Just because the TS3 store was bad doesn't mean it's okay for TS4 to have so many SPs! That is what LGR says and because I agree and two people have this opinion, I must be right!"

First of all you don't know what I'm about to type. Secondly it's not just two people who think that. Just go to any of LGR's videos and see that people agree with him, read the top comments idk. If you've never been on YouTube or Instagram you'll be astounded of what you're going to find. The Sims 4 forums do tend to be more Sims 4-friendly since you know, it's the official Sims 4 forums.

I personally think he's right with some of his points and he is almost always able to back them up with arguements and this is all you need for a helpful review.

Yeah that's the same type of person that bought everything from the store with real money without thinking about it I guess :D I'm not saying there are no dense simmers, I'm just saying that not every person who likes NK or TS4 is one of them ;)

(This only answers to what you typed before editing of course ;))

Small caveat to my last statement: if you really enjoy a game then I think that most additions just end up useful to you one way or another ??‍♀️ so there's that to consider as well. I understand that better than the people who somehow do own everything for TS4 yet constantly complain about how bad it is. I honestly understand that a lot less. I got Watch Dogs 2 for free, it's boring as hell. Haven't opened it since and would never buy dlc for it xD

"SimTrippy;c-17597194" wrote:
Small caveat to my last statement: if you really enjoy a game then I think that most additions just end up useful to you one way or another ??‍♀️ so there's that to consider as well. I understand that better than the people who somehow do own everything for TS4 yet constantly complain about how bad it is. I honestly understand that a lot less. I got Watch Dogs 2 for free, it's boring as hell. Haven't opened it since and would never buy dlc for it xD

@SimTrippy So imagine frozen yoghurt. Imagine there is an frozen yoghurt store you go to. The yoghurt itself costs 2$ and there are several toppings you can choose from. You want 2 strawberries and they cost 20 cents and maybe 4 marshmallows that cost 30 cents. You always go to that store and you love it.
But then it gets shut down because the owner moved towns and a new one is built. In this one you can get yoghurt for 3$ then 1 strawberry suddenly costs 20 cents and 2 marshmallows cost 30 cents. There is no other frozen yoghurt place in town so you have to go to that one and even though you think it's all too expensive you still buy it 'cause you just love frozen yoghurt. That's what you call "monopoly". They could even charge 7$ for the frozen yoghurt people will still go if there is no other place but that does not justify the high price.

Same with the game you can enjoy it as much as you want, sometimes you just need to think and try to justify if the price you pay reflects the work put on the product or if it's just an effect of monopoly.

What's the solution to battle the overpriced frozen yoghurt? Stop buying it, or just buy less toppings and talk to the manager about the price. And yes even if you enjoy it that much, that doesn't mean you should put up with it. The previous owner managed to have lower prices so what changed?
This is of course a very general example and may not reflect the situation exactly but I think this is the point LGR is trying to get across and sometimes this is what people tend to forget. It might even be worth it to you to buy the same game for 100$ 'cause you love it so much but that doesn't really justify the price.

For Me

I watched his review and I disagree with it. :) I am hoping for future bug fixes from maxis. Still did not update due to bugs