I want to hear some opinions. I personally think it's bunk that they gave Max the Evil trait, he has it as a Child, and first of all, my opinion is that no child is truly evil. Secondly, Max has obviously been subjected to some trauma with his mother having died. I personally feel like his acting out is as a result of this. Not to mention I doubt Jacques sought out mental health support for Max during this time (Jacques himself is insane at this point). I truly feel like Max isn't an evil or "bad" child, he's a child who is probably hurting, traumatized, and emotionally neglected (his father is a big wig in the mafia and also insane, how could he provide Max with the nurturing and parental support he needs)? The other thing is that Max has been nothing but nice to any of my sims in any of my saves. I've even had some of my sims become romantically involved with him in baby challenges, and again, he was nothing but sweet and romantic toward them. All of this makes me feel like Max isn't truly Evil, but rather has some mental health needs that don't get met, and his actions relate back to that and to his probable desire for attention from his neglectful father (how better to get a criminal father's attention than to try to show him you're as bad as bad comes)? It really makes me wish they included more mental health related traits in the game. I actually now have a soft spot for Max having considered all this and really feel for him. He just always strikes me as someone who just wants someone to love him (as a little boy and as an adult). I'd be interested to hear what all of you think!

Personally I think Jacques isn't insane, but rather just weird. He's described as having eccentric habits which makes sense considering he wants to walk around a hedge in knight armor. Plus it's implied that the "death" of his wife hardly changed his kids, the teens are relatively normal and Max is still a "terrifying force of nature". So for all we know she could be a criminal just laying low and occasionally visiting. Over all nice theory, it got me thinking.also just saying an evil person being nice doesn't exactly mean they aren't bad, same with a good person being rude. Some villains can generally be great people that won't hesitate to hold the door open for someone or help an elderly person cross the street.I got two tv tropes if you want to read more on friendly villains and terrible heroesSpoiler (Highlight to read)https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AffablyEvilhttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodIsNotNicehttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AffablyEvilhttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodIsNotNice

"ladysweettart;d-964661" wrote:... my opinion is that no child is truly evil.Agree to disagree:https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xKMsYert--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/bmhsgw7vdrhx6yrigmlg.jpg

Interesting postulation. I think in the game, the evil trait is lacking and only really manifests itself when they're around other sims who are miserable. Then they get the "Happy from being near misery" moodlet. I've played with some supposedly evil vampire sims on full autonomy and that's the only thing that they do. They get happy when others are miserable. Sometimes they laugh maniacally. I think the trait is lacking and when sims, such as NPCs, have autonomy, the trait needs to enable them to be mean, mischievous, and sabotage items. Right now, the Mean trait is worse than the Evil trait. Now if we're talking about the Mean trait, those sims I like to delete out of my game because they can't get along with anyone and they put my played sims in a bad mood.So in short, I don't think Max is evil in IRL terms. In game terms...it's fuzzy.

100% irredeemably evil; completely past the moral event horizon.

I aged him up to YA in one save and despite still being evil and following in his dad's criminal work, he's a perfectly amiable young man with plenty of friends. I think his other traits are geek and outgoing, so his friendliness definitely seems to override his awfulness. Like @lzbthnndgls said, Sims evil and RL evil don't really line up that neatly...

Max Villareal - Evil or Not Evil?

Vamplague
6 years ago
Personally I think Jacques isn't insane, but rather just weird. He's described as having eccentric habits which makes sense considering he wants to walk around a hedge in knight armor. Plus it's implied that the "death" of his wife hardly changed his kids, the teens are relatively normal and Max is still a "terrifying force of nature". So for all we know she could be a criminal just laying low and occasionally visiting.
Over all nice theory, it got me thinking.

also just saying an evil person being nice doesn't exactly mean they aren't bad, same with a good person being rude. Some villains can generally be great people that won't hesitate to hold the door open for someone or help an elderly person cross the street.
I got two tv tropes if you want to read more on friendly villains and terrible heroes
Spoiler
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AffablyEvil
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodIsNotNice
bsozz
6 years ago
"ladysweettart;d-964661" wrote:
... my opinion is that no child is truly evil.

Agree to disagree:

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xKMsYert--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/bmhsgw7vdrhx6yrigmlg.jpg
EnchantedOatmeal
New Rookie
6 years ago
Interesting postulation. I think in the game, the evil trait is lacking and only really manifests itself when they're around other sims who are miserable. Then they get the "Happy from being near misery" moodlet. I've played with some supposedly evil vampire sims on full autonomy and that's the only thing that they do. They get happy when others are miserable. Sometimes they laugh maniacally. I think the trait is lacking and when sims, such as NPCs, have autonomy, the trait needs to enable them to be mean, mischievous, and sabotage items. Right now, the Mean trait is worse than the Evil trait.

Now if we're talking about the Mean trait, those sims I like to delete out of my game because they can't get along with anyone and they put my played sims in a bad mood.

So in short, I don't think Max is evil in IRL terms. In game terms...it's fuzzy.
OEII1001
New Spectator
6 years ago
100% irredeemably evil; completely past the moral event horizon.
WaitWhatYT
6 years ago
I aged him up to YA in one save and despite still being evil and following in his dad's criminal work, he's a perfectly amiable young man with plenty of friends. I think his other traits are geek and outgoing, so his friendliness definitely seems to override his awfulness. Like @lzbthnndgls said, Sims evil and RL evil don't really line up that neatly...
imahulazombie
6 years ago
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OEII1001
New Spectator
6 years ago
"Echova;c-17206741" wrote:
He’s not a real person. He’s a sim.

Correct. The question at hand is whether or not this fictional character would be classified as evil or not.
telemwill
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
I have been thinking of giving him a chance of redemption. Like he must complete three good deeds in a certain time period in order to get a more positive trait. But I am torn because I know the game will be more interesting with a few evil characters around.
Rouvague
Seasoned Newcomer
6 years ago
He’s the head of a club of maladjusted misfits with members who are far older than him. I don’t know how to feel about that.
Echova
6 years ago
"OEII1001;c-17206773" wrote:
"Echova;c-17206741" wrote:
He’s not a real person. He’s a sim.

Correct. The question at hand is whether or not this fictional character would be classified as evil or not.

He has the evil trait. So he’s evil. I don’t know what’s so hard for the OP to understand lol