I don't remember which patch it was but it was a recent one where now every time an elder sim my sim happens to know dies of old age I get a call about it. I understand my sim being sad about a friend who passed away but to have my sim have the sad buff for two days every single time an elder sim they socialized with once happens to pass away is a bit ridiculous. I don't know if anyone else has this issue but I guess for a future update I would love it if my sim only morn sims they were at least friends with.

HelloYou may like to post feedback or press “ me too” on this AHQ EA thread about the issue https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/OPEN-Sim-gets-quot-phone-call-quot-amp-notice-about-another-sims/m-p/6891985#M65892

I find it odd that people are upset over the phone call of pending death as that was a favorite from Sims 2 that people have been requesting since Sims 2 so they knew when an old friend pr relative was dying to get a last visit perhaps and be able to actually get the urn. We finally get it back (we tried in Sims 3 too as some of us liked to be there and get the urn - and didn't get it - so now we get it and you want it gone again? To me that is sad to be denied the urn of an elder friend or relative because sims get sad when their relative is dying. To me it is realistic to be sad and realistic to be able to have maybe one last visit and to get the urn if we are there so we can bury them. So much for getting what some of us ask for after so long of waiting - looks like we lose it again at this rate. I do think a legit cemetery should have came with this request as that is missing and the two sort of go together - perhaps it would have been received better by perhaps some of you who forgot or never played Sims 2. At the present my sims don't have any old relatives so I was not aware it was finally back after all these years of waiting as I started a new game between Cats and Dogs and Seasons because I didn't want issues with all the recoding - so if they stop it I guess if no one had mentioned it I'd never known it came back at all. Sigh.....

"Writin_Reg;c-16719477" wrote:I find it odd that people are upset over the phone call of pending death as that was a favorite from Sims 2 that people have been requesting since Sims 2 so they knew when an old friend pr relative was dying to get a last visit perhaps and be able to actually get the urn. We finally get it back (we tried in Sims 3 too as some of us liked to be there and get the urn - and didn't get it - so now we get it and you want it gone again? To me that is sad to be denied the urn of an elder friend or relative because sims get sad when their relative is dying. To me it is realistic to be sad and realistic to be able to have maybe one last visit and to get the urn if we are there so we can bury them. So much for getting what some of us ask for after so long of waiting - looks like we lose it again at this rate. I do think a legit cemetery should have came with this request as that is missing and the two sort of go together - perhaps it would have been received better by perhaps some of you who forgot or never played Sims 2. At the present my sims don't have any old relatives so I was not aware it was finally back after all these years of waiting as I started a new game between Cats and Dogs and Seasons because I didn't want issues with all the recoding - so if they stop it I guess if no one had mentioned it I'd never known it came back at all. Sigh..... I think the problem everyone is having is not the calls themselves but the frequency of them. From what I can gather it seems like you get a death call for every sim your sim has ever met. Even if you only talked to that sim once and never spoke to them again or it was just a rude sim who jumped in to your sims conversation while they were on a date or out with a friend. After your sims gets these calls, they get the mourning moodlet and are sad for a few days, even if they don't really know them. I don't think they want to get rid of them entirely, just stop them from happening for sims your sim isn't even friends with.

"fruitsbasket101;c-16719634" wrote:"Writin_Reg;c-16719477" wrote:I find it odd that people are upset over the phone call of pending death as that was a favorite from Sims 2 that people have been requesting since Sims 2 so they knew when an old friend pr relative was dying to get a last visit perhaps and be able to actually get the urn. We finally get it back (we tried in Sims 3 too as some of us liked to be there and get the urn - and didn't get it - so now we get it and you want it gone again? To me that is sad to be denied the urn of an elder friend or relative because sims get sad when their relative is dying. To me it is realistic to be sad and realistic to be able to have maybe one last visit and to get the urn if we are there so we can bury them. So much for getting what some of us ask for after so long of waiting - looks like we lose it again at this rate. I do think a legit cemetery should have came with this request as that is missing and the two sort of go together - perhaps it would have been received better by perhaps some of you who forgot or never played Sims 2. At the present my sims don't have any old relatives so I was not aware it was finally back after all these years of waiting as I started a new game between Cats and Dogs and Seasons because I didn't want issues with all the recoding - so if they stop it I guess if no one had mentioned it I'd never known it came back at all. Sigh..... I think the problem everyone is having is not the calls themselves but the frequency of them. From what I can gather it seems like you get a death call for every sim your sim has ever met. Even if you only talked to that sim once and never spoke to them again or it was just a rude sim who jumped in to your sims conversation while they were on a date or out with a friend. After your sims gets these calls, they get the mourning moodlet and are sad for a few days, even if they don't really know them. I don't think they want to get rid of them entirely, just stop them from happening for sims your sim isn't even friends with.But as we well know Sims 4 is sort of all or nothing. We either have something or we can't as they claim it breaks saves - that's why we can't have toggles and why they went to the trouble to create gamepacks especially for things not everyone wanted in their game. In order for sims to actually get at least a good bye from an old friend or relative it took a patch to the base game - but without a way to toggle them or some how tune them to every single sims relationship would surely break the game.-Tuning down isn't the answer - we saw what happened when they tried to tune down alien abduction - most of us got none at all - and strangely it was all of us that had a playstyle that wanted them. So toggles and downtuning can't be used - as most likely downtuning cannot pick who likes these things or whose relatives are whose or what ever you are expecting in this game. I believe it could in Sims 2 because the game was built with the family tree, with the backstories and with the full memory system. This game though - none of this existed - we only got the family tree after the fact as a patch, There is no memory system for the AI to really know who is related distantly - who is just someone your sim bumped into or what ever. The game cannot read your mind - it works off of what is there to feed it and what the AI is programmed to. The fact they could even do what they did after years of us asking I am amazed - but the fact remains with the way programming works - it really is we can have it or not but we can't have it both ways.

I feel like the solution would be simple, though. Don't completely get rid of the calls. Even for acquaintances, it would be a nice touch to get a call. However, I don't feel that Sims should be getting such a long and powerful sad moodlet over the deaths of Sims who are only acquaintances, especially those that your Sims have only met once. Confirming what the OP said, the way this system works in its current state, all of my Sims are in a constant state of sadness. It really takes the fun out of the game. This is how I'd do it-Death of Acquaintance: Fine moodlet for 6 hours. With this moodlet active, it'll take a bit of effort to get them into another emotional state, but at least they won't be sad.Death of Friend: Sad moodlet for 12 hours.Death of Good Friend: Sad moodlet for 24 hours.Death of Best Friend/Boyfriend/Girlfriend/Spouse/Close Family Member: Sad moodlet for two days.And another thing, toddlers shouldn't be getting these calls at all, plain and simple. They don't even have phones! How are they still getting these calls?!

My sims are constantly in mourning ever since that patch update

Writin_Reg
7 years ago
"worldofdrakan;c-16719865" wrote:
I feel like the solution would be simple, though. Don't completely get rid of the calls. Even for acquaintances, it would be a nice touch to get a call. However, I don't feel that Sims should be getting such a long and powerful sad moodlet over the deaths of Sims who are only acquaintances, especially those that your Sims have only met once. Confirming what the OP said, the way this system works in its current state, all of my Sims are in a constant state of sadness. It really plum the fun out of the game. This is how I'd do it-

Death of Acquaintance: Fine moodlet for 12 hours. With this moodlet active, it'll take a bit of effort to get them into another emotional state, but at least they won't be sad.

Death of Friend: Sad moodlet for 12 hours.

Death of Good Friend: Sad moodlet for 24 hours.

Death of Best Friend/Boyfriend/Girlfriend/Spouse/Close Family Member: Sad moodlet for two days.

And another thing, toddlers shouldn't be getting these calls at all, plain and simple. They don't even have phones! How are they still getting these calls?!

I explained all that above and why there is no way the game AI can see that ifo.
TSBrandes
7 years ago
@Evie0602

Thanks a lot for that link.
Lorraine-Simmer
7 years ago
"SimGuruMrE;c-16727316" wrote:
This is such a interesting thread...rest assured we are looking into this issue, but with that in mind please keep up the discussion. I love reading your guys thoughts and ideas on the topic. :)

It makes me happy knowing that the Gurus are aware of this issue and are listening to us. Thank you SO much! Like I said, with the way that the death calls are implemented in their current sate, my Sims are in a constant state of mourning, even over people they barely knew or only met once. Even toddlers are getting these calls, and that shouldn't even be possible, seeing as they aren't even supposed to have a phone! It's even worse when the toddlers get these calls, too, since there's little to nothing you can do to wear out their sad moodlet.

It totally takes most of the fun out of the game, really. My Sims are always SO sad that all they want to do is cry, and they often neglect their needs as a result. And right after you've finally gotten their sad moodlet worn out, they usually get another death call that stacks their mourning moodlet right back up to two days again. It's maddening!

Again, this is how I think it should go: Don't get rid of the death calls entirely, but change the way that Sims react to them based on their relationship with the deceased, not just defaulting to a two-day sad moodlet for ALL deaths regardless of relationship. For the death of an acquaintance, I'd suggest a fine moodlet that lasts for six hours. They won't be sad due to having not known the Sim very well, but flavor text in the form of a fine moodlet would be a nice little touch. For the death of a friend, a +2 sad moodlet for 12 hours, and for the death of a good friend, a +2 sad moodlet for 24 hours. For the death of a best friend/boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse/close family member, a +2 sad moodlet for two days. And, of course, stop the death calls for toddlers altogether.
Meka3211
Rising Newcomer
7 years ago
Yeah I agree with a lot of the thoughts that have been posted. It's just too much to be getting these calls & having Sims sad for someone they barely know. I was happy to see some reaction....because I've often posted/complained that Sims don't react enough to events. But gosh, this is too much. My Sim got +2 Sad moodlet when her enemy died. I would have expected her to feel happy or feel nothing, but she was sad. I ende up having to download UI Cheats extension mod so I can just delete these. I'm playing a Legacy Challenge & right now....most of my Gen 2 Sims and Sims around the world are dying. & it's just constant sadness. The UI Cheats doesn't fix the NPC's sadness but at least in my own game, I can control it a bit more. I let the moodlet stay if my Sim was friends with the Sim or if it was family. If my Sim didn't know the Sim or they were enemies, I just delete it. Happy to see the Gurus looking into this issue.
cyclelegs
7 years ago
The real problem is that we all play differently and want different reactions to death. There is no way to tune the reaction without resorting to mods. I have done that and really like the death notification system now. But, I have dialed it way back. My active sims end up with the Beloved and always liked traits so that they are immediately Friends with anyone they meet and their relationships never reduce. Without a Mod to change the mourning values my sims would be permanently sad.
Trykmi
7 years ago
"JoAnne65;c-16731374" wrote:
"SiliClone;c-16730989" wrote:
Comfort hug a pet, call the sadness hotline, cry in the closet, all these things reduce the sad mood drastically. In case of toddlers, the parenthood "you'll be ok" interaction help to get rid of any negative mood and grant also the super parent status at max skill.

Sure there will be ways to reduce the sad moodlet (just reduce? not remove?) but a. it’s an nuisance having to send your sim into a closet to cry while you were having other plans just because some sim died somewhere and b. will the sad mood be gone for the rest of the day then or will it come back? (again, I haven’t experienced this yet myself but I will really be plummed off when my evil vampire girl is going to cry all day because Geoffrey Landgraab she said hello to once just to have a drink died)

I know, but they are not going to fix the problem today or tommorrow, so in the meantime, these are some ways to reduce the mood without mods. I use Ui cheats to simply get rid of the sad mood when I don't want it. Every action you take to reduce the mood will reduce the time it lasts, multiple actions in a row make it disappear. For toddlers, the interaction must be made 4 times in a row for a 2 hours sad mood, it could take some time to get rid of the 2 days sad mood. Another way was to use the remove all buff cheats, it seems that doesn't work anymore though. The most powerful is the comfort hug from pets.. it doesn't need to be an owned pet either, just a friend.
justme22
7 years ago
"sazzieJ;c-16734600" wrote:
my sim got the sad buff from a death message that was blank in regards to the sim that died but my sim still gets sad for 2 days. thats not cool

not sure when it was introduced but i noticed last time i played that sims i dont interact with anymore and whos friendship decays alot get removed from my friend list. i can only assume one of them died and thats why the notification was blank with their name.

i have no qualms over being told about family/good friends dying but to be sad for a nameless sim irks me.

i personally would like the newspaper bought back with a section for death notices/obituaries so if i want to make my sim sad on purpose i can learn which townies/acquaintances have died by reading the newspaper. calls/sms for close friends/family, and a newspaper for others. its generally how the news is spread nowadays from my experience.

id also like a cemetery back. i have no need for gazillions of clubs/coffee house/gym type lots but a cemetery where all gravestones/urns go for townie, unplayed sims would be nice. much like sims 3 we could have a few on display and everything else goes into a vault for storage with the option to mix it up

Judging from some of Grant's Tweets newspapers aren't coming back, but they could add a Neighborhood News... option on the computer, maybe under the Web... category.
justme22
7 years ago
"sazzieJ;c-16737151" wrote:
"stilljustme2;c-16736959" wrote:
"sazzieJ;c-16734600" wrote:
my sim got the sad buff from a death message that was blank in regards to the sim that died but my sim still gets sad for 2 days. thats not cool

not sure when it was introduced but i noticed last time i played that sims i dont interact with anymore and whos friendship decays alot get removed from my friend list. i can only assume one of them died and thats why the notification was blank with their name.

i have no qualms over being told about family/good friends dying but to be sad for a nameless sim irks me.

i personally would like the newspaper bought back with a section for death notices/obituaries so if i want to make my sim sad on purpose i can learn which townies/acquaintances have died by reading the newspaper. calls/sms for close friends/family, and a newspaper for others. its generally how the news is spread nowadays from my experience.

id also like a cemetery back. i have no need for gazillions of clubs/coffee house/gym type lots but a cemetery where all gravestones/urns go for townie, unplayed sims would be nice. much like sims 3 we could have a few on display and everything else goes into a vault for storage with the option to mix it up

Judging from some of Grant's Tweets newspapers aren't coming back, but they could add a Neighborhood News... option on the computer, maybe under the Web... category.

booooo! the sims 4 is a little heavy handed on the 'social' aspect, of calls, clubs, sms, etc etc, and id like the softer touch!.

if we cant have newspapers back i support 100% a neighborhood news section on the pc/mobile. it would let me know, id hope, when certain houses become available through their occupier dying. i play one household only per save, save up money and then make my way up through the nicer houses. sometimes a townie moves in, how they afford it is beyond me, and i need to wait for them to die or 'intergrate' them into my sims lives and steal the house!

a section on the web would be a nice touch that could also include coupons or random stories. in sims 2 or 3, im pretty sure, if u read the newspaper stories they would have: rando sim a and b got married or had a baby. our sims would be sad of course coz of sims dying but then they could read a 'funnies' section and with the decor and good quality meal they just ate its all good and the sadness is gone in a matter of sim hours!

You can actually evict households -- go to Manage Worlds, click on the house you want to buy, choose Evict Household in the little options menu (looks like this: ...) and that household goes to the Not In World population to either live out their lives or you can manually give them a new house. (I manually place families I don't plan on actively playing using freerealestate because when I have the game do it, it tends to put families in the small houses and single Sims in the mansions.)
Sazzmoo
7 years ago
"stilljustme2;c-16737759" wrote:
"sazzieJ;c-16737151" wrote:
"stilljustme2;c-16736959" wrote:
"sazzieJ;c-16734600" wrote:
my sim got the sad buff from a death message that was blank in regards to the sim that died but my sim still gets sad for 2 days. thats not cool

not sure when it was introduced but i noticed last time i played that sims i dont interact with anymore and whos friendship decays alot get removed from my friend list. i can only assume one of them died and thats why the notification was blank with their name.

i have no qualms over being told about family/good friends dying but to be sad for a nameless sim irks me.

i personally would like the newspaper bought back with a section for death notices/obituaries so if i want to make my sim sad on purpose i can learn which townies/acquaintances have died by reading the newspaper. calls/sms for close friends/family, and a newspaper for others. its generally how the news is spread nowadays from my experience.

id also like a cemetery back. i have no need for gazillions of clubs/coffee house/gym type lots but a cemetery where all gravestones/urns go for townie, unplayed sims would be nice. much like sims 3 we could have a few on display and everything else goes into a vault for storage with the option to mix it up

Judging from some of Grant's Tweets newspapers aren't coming back, but they could add a Neighborhood News... option on the computer, maybe under the Web... category.

booooo! the sims 4 is a little heavy handed on the 'social' aspect, of calls, clubs, sms, etc etc, and id like the softer touch!.

if we cant have newspapers back i support 100% a neighborhood news section on the pc/mobile. it would let me know, id hope, when certain houses become available through their occupier dying. i play one household only per save, save up money and then make my way up through the nicer houses. sometimes a townie moves in, how they afford it is beyond me, and i need to wait for them to die or 'intergrate' them into my sims lives and steal the house!

a section on the web would be a nice touch that could also include coupons or random stories. in sims 2 or 3, im pretty sure, if u read the newspaper stories they would have: rando sim a and b got married or had a baby. our sims would be sad of course coz of sims dying but then they could read a 'funnies' section and with the decor and good quality meal they just ate its all good and the sadness is gone in a matter of sim hours!

You can actually evict households -- go to Manage Worlds, click on the house you want to buy, choose Evict Household in the little options menu (looks like this: ...) and that household goes to the Not In World population to either live out their lives or you can manually give them a new house. (I manually place families I don't plan on actively playing using freerealestate because when I have the game do it, it tends to put families in the small houses and single Sims in the mansions.)

i seeeeee!!! that is good to know. i have also noticed and find it strange as well that these enormous mcmansions are occupied by one sim and smaller ones have the families but then i also find it strange that actively played households are the only ones who have generational families.
Voldarian-Empir
7 years ago
Quick question...and maybe this has already been addressed but I am new to MCCC and I am wondering if there is a way to use this to remove the 2 day sadness moodlet? I would only do this for sims who ot doesnt make sense to mourn over. If there is it can at least help to avoid the issue until (hopefully) it is resolved