New GP Leaked: The Sims 4 Jungle Adventures

"VanPelt81;c-16307875" wrote:
After reading sims befriending locals in a cantina, why did my mind immediately go to the cantina scene in Star Wars.

*not actual gameplay footage*

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"AlbaWaterhouse;c-16307657" wrote:
This sounds great! Fun gameplay and I'm a sucker for new recipes (hopefully there are new harvestable).
Also, it has a lot of potential for building. I hope they introduce a new pool tool or at least new water colours and water plants, and rocks and a lot of new vegetation. I'm excited for the B/B objects.

I also hope there will be new tropical harvestables and finally new water colors! Man, they added the water color feature in Get Together and since then we didn't got any new water colors. It seems like as if they forgot about this feature

A quicksand "water color" would be cool if it had new animations when a Sim enters it and that Sims drown really fast in quicksand or something

"JoAnne65;c-16307780" wrote:

"DeservedCriticism;c-16307618" wrote:
For those unaware, there is an entire game genre around randomly-generated dungeons known as "rogue-likes." Binding of Isaac is the most commonly well-known one as far as I know, and some other well-known ones are Nuclear Throne, Darkest Dungeon, and Faster Than Light. What these do is basically the developers created a system where each time you play a run of the game, the game will generate an entirely new and unique dungeon layout, dungeon rooms, dungeon enemies and dungeon drops. One run might be harder than another because your drops are terrible, and another run might be super easy because they're great.

This is something that's been done time and time again by various developers, and as I said, that's exactly why I suggested it as a possible solution to World Adventures repetitiveness. World Adventures dungeons were fun, but there was limited motivation to do it again after having completed it once or twice. Perhaps it's difficult to create the algorithm to generate dungeons at first, I don't know, but the point is it's a long-term time investment because that same system can be used again. Given how much they love recycling systems for this game, it'd be a good idea to create such a system.


IF this GP utilizes such a system, then I would suspect you basically find a temple, enter it, and then the layout of the temple is randomized in such a way that it has different rooms to explore and the rooms are either randomized with certain restrictions (traps cannot block a doorway, traps cannot dissect the room in half, treasure cannot block a doorway, treasure should only occur in X room types, a clear path from the entrance to the exit needs to exist, etc), or they've made a great number of preset room layouts that will be randomly picked and thrown at you. Binding of Isaac for example has familiar room layouts, but the enemies and the treasure of each room remain randomized.

That's why I'm saying I'd be curious what this GP has to offer if it truly has such a system, as that would address people's concerns that dungeons get boring and repetitive after you've visited one enough. It's true a $20 GP won't have the budget World Adventures had, but if it has a (good) dungeon generator, it can absolutely circumvent this. My only remaining concern then would be that I'd like to explore a temple in hopes of finding the Fountain of Youth or something and NOT $10,000 simoleons or some other material good we can get elsewhere. (or can get other items with similar functionality elsewhere)

I’m definitely hoping you’re right, but I can’t help my experience so far with Sims 4 makes me sceptical. If they’ll add as many tomb experiences as WA (which indeed weren’t resettable but at least there were up to 25 of them and that meant 25 unique experiences that kept you busy for several sim days each, with many different exploring tools and toggles) and indeed are capable of adding an in depth system like the game you mention, you’re looking at a buyer. But I’ve seen this hoping and expecting big improvements prior to a Sims 4 pack release too often by now to be fully trusting and optimistic. I’ll definitely stay posted though, because if there’s any pack that I hope will prove me wrong and will be amazing, it’s this one. WA being my favourite. Is GuruGraham supervising? That would support my trust.

(for anyone interested in an extra WA experience btw, see my signature *cough cough* :p )

I still have my skepticism, don't get me wrong, but....

As I said, they've absolutely recycled as much assets as possible. In that regard it also makes sense for them to spend their time and effort creating new assets they can recycle in the future. A dungeon generator is absolutely an asset they can recycle, so I can easily picture them deciding to create one.

For that we have to wait and see, but for now my main concern is I want to hear a little bit about the rewards for exploring these temples. If the temples have a nice algorithm to generate new traps and mazes and such, but the reward is "here's some money," then I don't see myself being motivated to buy or play this. Just like how I complained that the Cats and Dogs Pet Training skill has ZERO PURPOSE and it's just something to kill time, this pack would be just one giant time killer unless there's meaningful, long-term rewards for your individual sims.

Give us another immortality reward.
Give us a fourth personality trait unlocked.
Give us a priceless golden statue we can trade with an employer for an instant promotion.
Give us a reward trait that makes the Sim immune to emotional deaths.
Give us a reward trait that lets us throw a ball filled with deadly bees at other sims to possibly lead to their deaths.
Give us the a potion that turns elders back into young adults.
Give us a book that can be read to instantly max any skill of your choice.

Give us anything that works towards permanently giving a Sim a new ability or skill. This game suffers from far too many shiny chairs, and as I said, the two best rated parks are also the two offering long-term rewards that directly change how your sim acts, what your sim can do or how they interact with the world. Learn from this and give us more packs with such rewards.

It sounds fun. :)

"VanPelt81;c-16307875" wrote:
After reading sims befriending locals in a cantina, why did my mind immediately go to the cantina scene in Star Wars.

Ha! Me too! Then I started envisioning that scene put into the game and it made me wish for a space adventure with a greater variety of Aliens.

"DeservedCriticism;c-16308179" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16307780" wrote:

"DeservedCriticism;c-16307618" wrote:
For those unaware, there is an entire game genre around randomly-generated dungeons known as "rogue-likes." Binding of Isaac is the most commonly well-known one as far as I know, and some other well-known ones are Nuclear Throne, Darkest Dungeon, and Faster Than Light. What these do is basically the developers created a system where each time you play a run of the game, the game will generate an entirely new and unique dungeon layout, dungeon rooms, dungeon enemies and dungeon drops. One run might be harder than another because your drops are terrible, and another run might be super easy because they're great.

This is something that's been done time and time again by various developers, and as I said, that's exactly why I suggested it as a possible solution to World Adventures repetitiveness. World Adventures dungeons were fun, but there was limited motivation to do it again after having completed it once or twice. Perhaps it's difficult to create the algorithm to generate dungeons at first, I don't know, but the point is it's a long-term time investment because that same system can be used again. Given how much they love recycling systems for this game, it'd be a good idea to create such a system.


IF this GP utilizes such a system, then I would suspect you basically find a temple, enter it, and then the layout of the temple is randomized in such a way that it has different rooms to explore and the rooms are either randomized with certain restrictions (traps cannot block a doorway, traps cannot dissect the room in half, treasure cannot block a doorway, treasure should only occur in X room types, a clear path from the entrance to the exit needs to exist, etc), or they've made a great number of preset room layouts that will be randomly picked and thrown at you. Binding of Isaac for example has familiar room layouts, but the enemies and the treasure of each room remain randomized.

That's why I'm saying I'd be curious what this GP has to offer if it truly has such a system, as that would address people's concerns that dungeons get boring and repetitive after you've visited one enough. It's true a $20 GP won't have the budget World Adventures had, but if it has a (good) dungeon generator, it can absolutely circumvent this. My only remaining concern then would be that I'd like to explore a temple in hopes of finding the Fountain of Youth or something and NOT $10,000 simoleons or some other material good we can get elsewhere. (or can get other items with similar functionality elsewhere)

I’m definitely hoping you’re right, but I can’t help my experience so far with Sims 4 makes me sceptical. If they’ll add as many tomb experiences as WA (which indeed weren’t resettable but at least there were up to 25 of them and that meant 25 unique experiences that kept you busy for several sim days each, with many different exploring tools and toggles) and indeed are capable of adding an in depth system like the game you mention, you’re looking at a buyer. But I’ve seen this hoping and expecting big improvements prior to a Sims 4 pack release too often by now to be fully trusting and optimistic. I’ll definitely stay posted though, because if there’s any pack that I hope will prove me wrong and will be amazing, it’s this one. WA being my favourite. Is GuruGraham supervising? That would support my trust.

(for anyone interested in an extra WA experience btw, see my signature *cough cough* :p )

I still have my skepticism, don't get me wrong, but....

As I said, they've absolutely recycled as much assets as possible. In that regard it also makes sense for them to spend their time and effort creating new assets they can recycle in the future. A dungeon generator is absolutely an asset they can recycle, so I can easily picture them deciding to create one.

For that we have to wait and see, but for now my main concern is I want to hear a little bit about the rewards for exploring these temples. If the temples have a nice algorithm to generate new traps and mazes and such, but the reward is "here's some money," then I don't see myself being motivated to buy or play this. Just like how I complained that the Cats and Dogs Pet Training skill has ZERO PURPOSE and it's just something to kill time, this pack would be just one giant time killer unless there's meaningful, long-term rewards for your individual sims.

Give us another immortality reward.
Give us a fourth personality trait unlocked.
Give us a priceless golden statue we can trade with an employer for an instant promotion.
Give us a reward trait that makes the Sim immune to emotional deaths.
Give us a reward trait that lets us throw a ball filled with deadly bees at other sims to possibly lead to their deaths.
Give us the a potion that turns elders back into young adults.
Give us a book that can be read to instantly max any skill of your choice.

Give us anything that works towards permanently giving a Sim a new ability or skill. This game suffers from far too many shiny chairs, and as I said, the two best rated parks are also the two offering long-term rewards that directly change how your sim acts, what your sim can do or how they interact with the world. Learn from this and give us more packs with such rewards.

You make me realize I don't love WA for the rewards ;) Visa points, being able to buy a house abroad, treasures, money, all that is important, but the fun for me is not that, it's really the journey inside that tomb. The toggles and connections, finding our way, solving the puzzles, the surprises, the danger, the traps, the mummies, sleeping there three storeys under the ground. And also: the beauty and the decorations. And the different locations. Being sent from pyramid to temple, from barrow to spooky mansion, from terra cotta army to the belly of a dragon. Each of them having their own unique atmosphere.

For me there's a difference with training cats and dogs, because there is a direct connection between the training of a pet and the pet being trained (or not). I agree with you it's done poorly if training them doesn't have a real purpose, no result. But as for exploring, that for me in itself is the purpose ;)

p.s. which doesn't mean I don't love the ideas you came up with for rewards; who knows it will inspire them.

I think this is great and I'm definitely interested. It reminds me a little bit of a game that hasn't been made in a while called Amazon Trail. In that one, you would sail up the Amazon, stopping at trading cities for supplies as you tried to make your way to a hidden city called Vilcabamba. You would photograph animals and talk with historic figures along the way. There was a really trippy talking jaguar who would remind you in a strange voice that you need to find cinchona. I played an online remastered version at one point in the last year or two and I was surprised by how easy it was to die along the way. It was related to Oregon Trail so you could still die of dysentery or yellow fever while running out of food. Anyway, it seems like someone involved with this might have been familiar with that game. (It's a similar premise but a different execution).

I've been looking for something different and creative for TS4 and this definitely sounds like it is. It's definitely more up my alley than laundry was. I also have some different characters that I could send to that locale for different reasons. One of the families in my rotation is a Hispanic family with 4 kids. The dad was a yoga/fitness trainer turned celebrity fitness guru. The mom was a no nonsense detective who was raised by a single mother and is very close to her family. When the kids are old enough, I'll definitely send at least one of them to that city to explore their heritage and go adventuring. That's just one idea, there are certainly others that I could pack off there for adventure.

"jackjack_k;c-16307220" wrote:

"@IceyJ;c-16307198" wrote:

"DeservedCriticism;c-16306693" wrote:

"Sigzy05;c-16306667" wrote:

"DeservedCriticism;c-16306650" wrote:

"Pamtastic72;c-16306636" wrote:
Oh I'm so excited, I crave more danger!

I hope they didn't forget the motivation though. The parts about the deadly traps and the "new adventures each time" sounds great.

What sticks out to me as concerning is the rewards. So far it only sounds like cash rewards, and that would be a real disappointment if this entire system was made and our only motivation for exploring the GP's world is....simoleons. I hope they've actually got some unique, long-term rewards lined up (and not furniture objects, but rather improvements for our Sims much like how in World Adventures you'd master Martial Arts along the way) as motivation for exploring.

Collect ancient artifacts. Uncover hidden items as Sims seek out ancient artifacts and mysterious relics. Sims can excavate and examine these precious objects closely at the archeology table, determining their quality, but watch out for fakes!

There's this, so I don't think it's just simoleons. You could have like a Lara Croft character that collects relics and puts them on the museums. At least those will now work for something with this pack.

Re-stating what I posted in another thread, but I don't want objects, I want character development.

Let's say you complete a huge temple and it was nice and challenging, and now the game is offering you your choice of one of two rewards: a giant, shiny chair made of pure gold, or a new trait for your Sim that gives them the ability to turn other Sims into walking skeletons.

I'm going to take a guess you'd pick the trait with the power, and you know why...? It's unique. It's long term. It makes your Sim feel unique and like they've unlocked something new that gives them a new way to be played. For doing the GP, your sim now permanently has a great new ability that sets them apart from other Sims on the street. That's good, and that's precisely the type of rewards this game desperately needs.

Getting a shiny new chair or a new collection is boring because it's just another thing to sit in the house and look shiny. Watching your Sim develop as a character....? Let's get one thing straight: the two most popular packs of this entire game are Vampires and Parenthood. Both packs offer exactly what I'm talking about. They give you new traits or powers that help customize how your Sim interacts with the world.

That is what people desperately want and need. Not a chair that gives your Sim a Happy moodlet if they stare at it long enough that they go blind, but actual personality for our Sims that they get as a reward for doing something involving gameplay.

Unfortunately, a chair is easy and doesn't require new animations. I suspect that this factors heavily into the decisions made regarding extras like rewards. I'm still disappointed that career rewards aren't unique objects like they were in TS2.

That said, those career rewards are in place of a new game play object available. For example, University had 3 unique gameplay items for the careers, and that left almost no new gameplay objects for the regular buy catalog. I remember there was a Bonfire, treadmill & Coffee Stand and that's about it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I remember. The Career gameplay objects took up slots for normal gameplay items.

You did forgot bubble blower ,gadget kiosk, drums, archade machines, counterfeiting machine, sprinklers, juice keg, bass, stove that summons cook npc.

"JoAnne65;c-16308306" wrote:

"DeservedCriticism;c-16308179" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16307780" wrote:

"DeservedCriticism;c-16307618" wrote:
For those unaware, there is an entire game genre around randomly-generated dungeons known as "rogue-likes." Binding of Isaac is the most commonly well-known one as far as I know, and some other well-known ones are Nuclear Throne, Darkest Dungeon, and Faster Than Light. What these do is basically the developers created a system where each time you play a run of the game, the game will generate an entirely new and unique dungeon layout, dungeon rooms, dungeon enemies and dungeon drops. One run might be harder than another because your drops are terrible, and another run might be super easy because they're great.

This is something that's been done time and time again by various developers, and as I said, that's exactly why I suggested it as a possible solution to World Adventures repetitiveness. World Adventures dungeons were fun, but there was limited motivation to do it again after having completed it once or twice. Perhaps it's difficult to create the algorithm to generate dungeons at first, I don't know, but the point is it's a long-term time investment because that same system can be used again. Given how much they love recycling systems for this game, it'd be a good idea to create such a system.


IF this GP utilizes such a system, then I would suspect you basically find a temple, enter it, and then the layout of the temple is randomized in such a way that it has different rooms to explore and the rooms are either randomized with certain restrictions (traps cannot block a doorway, traps cannot dissect the room in half, treasure cannot block a doorway, treasure should only occur in X room types, a clear path from the entrance to the exit needs to exist, etc), or they've made a great number of preset room layouts that will be randomly picked and thrown at you. Binding of Isaac for example has familiar room layouts, but the enemies and the treasure of each room remain randomized.

That's why I'm saying I'd be curious what this GP has to offer if it truly has such a system, as that would address people's concerns that dungeons get boring and repetitive after you've visited one enough. It's true a $20 GP won't have the budget World Adventures had, but if it has a (good) dungeon generator, it can absolutely circumvent this. My only remaining concern then would be that I'd like to explore a temple in hopes of finding the Fountain of Youth or something and NOT $10,000 simoleons or some other material good we can get elsewhere. (or can get other items with similar functionality elsewhere)

I’m definitely hoping you’re right, but I can’t help my experience so far with Sims 4 makes me sceptical. If they’ll add as many tomb experiences as WA (which indeed weren’t resettable but at least there were up to 25 of them and that meant 25 unique experiences that kept you busy for several sim days each, with many different exploring tools and toggles) and indeed are capable of adding an in depth system like the game you mention, you’re looking at a buyer. But I’ve seen this hoping and expecting big improvements prior to a Sims 4 pack release too often by now to be fully trusting and optimistic. I’ll definitely stay posted though, because if there’s any pack that I hope will prove me wrong and will be amazing, it’s this one. WA being my favourite. Is GuruGraham supervising? That would support my trust.

(for anyone interested in an extra WA experience btw, see my signature *cough cough* :p )

I still have my skepticism, don't get me wrong, but....

As I said, they've absolutely recycled as much assets as possible. In that regard it also makes sense for them to spend their time and effort creating new assets they can recycle in the future. A dungeon generator is absolutely an asset they can recycle, so I can easily picture them deciding to create one.

For that we have to wait and see, but for now my main concern is I want to hear a little bit about the rewards for exploring these temples. If the temples have a nice algorithm to generate new traps and mazes and such, but the reward is "here's some money," then I don't see myself being motivated to buy or play this. Just like how I complained that the Cats and Dogs Pet Training skill has ZERO PURPOSE and it's just something to kill time, this pack would be just one giant time killer unless there's meaningful, long-term rewards for your individual sims.

Give us another immortality reward.
Give us a fourth personality trait unlocked.
Give us a priceless golden statue we can trade with an employer for an instant promotion.
Give us a reward trait that makes the Sim immune to emotional deaths.
Give us a reward trait that lets us throw a ball filled with deadly bees at other sims to possibly lead to their deaths.
Give us the a potion that turns elders back into young adults.
Give us a book that can be read to instantly max any skill of your choice.

Give us anything that works towards permanently giving a Sim a new ability or skill. This game suffers from far too many shiny chairs, and as I said, the two best rated parks are also the two offering long-term rewards that directly change how your sim acts, what your sim can do or how they interact with the world. Learn from this and give us more packs with such rewards.

You make me realize I don't love WA for the rewards ;) Visa points, being able to buy a house abroad, treasures, money, all that is important, but the fun for me is not that, it's really the journey inside that tomb. The toggles and connections, finding our way, solving the puzzles, the surprises, the danger, the traps, the mummies, sleeping there three storeys under the ground. And also: the beauty and the decorations. And the different locations. Being sent from pyramid to temple, from barrow to spooky mansion, from terra cotta army to the belly of a dragon. Each of them having their own unique atmosphere.

For me there's a difference with training cats and dogs, because there is a direct connection between the training of a pet and the pet being trained (or not). I agree with you it's done poorly if training them doesn't have a real purpose, no result. But as for exploring, that for me in itself is the purpose ;)

p.s. which doesn't mean I don't love the ideas you came up with for rewards; who knows it will inspire them.

For me it's the journey and the destination. I care about the destination at the moment more because sometimes Sims 4 has you questioning if they even remember what a reward should look like. The entirety of the careers just gives objects with no special functions as a reward, with very few meaningful rewards. (such as Doctors being more immune to illness) The description suggests they may have the journey figured out, but lately the destinations have been lacking, so that's where my concern is.

"JoAnne65;c-16308306" wrote:

You make me realize I don't love WA for the rewards ;) Visa points, being able to buy a house abroad, treasures, money, all that is important, but the fun for me is not that, it's really the journey inside that tomb. The toggles and connections, finding our way, solving the puzzles, the surprises, the danger, the traps, the mummies, sleeping there three storeys under the ground. And also: the beauty and the decorations. And the different locations. Being sent from pyramid to temple, from barrow to spooky mansion, from terra cotta army to the belly of a dragon. Each of them having their own unique atmosphere.

For me there's a difference with training cats and dogs, because there is a direct connection between the training of a pet and the pet being trained (or not). I agree with you it's done poorly if training them doesn't have a real purpose, no result. But as for exploring, that for me in itself is the purpose ;)

p.s. which doesn't mean I don't love the ideas you came up with for rewards; who knows it will inspire them.

As someone once said, "it's the journey, not the destination."