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Huiiie_17's avatar
6 years ago

No hate, but how can a game from 2014 have such terrible AI?

Like really, sometimes these sims are just stupid, especially their autonomy and behavior leaves much to be desired. They take a small portion of fruit cake out of the fridge when their hunger is already in the orange despite having a full group meal in the fridge. Or alternatively, they want to grab leftover mac and cheese for breakfast instead of the pancakes from just the day before. They walk into the bathroom to shower while another sim is sitting on the toilet (in TS3, a game from 2009, they would never or rarely walk into the bathroom when another sim is doing their business in there, no matter which appliance they wanna use). Sims decide to talk to a stranger passing on the street, despite having a whole family at home to talk to. They don't change out of their winter coats despite being inside. They don't sit down to eat, but decide to stand in the front of the fridge while the empty table is right next to them, blocking anyone else's access to the fridge on the way. They wanna take a bath one hour before work despite having a functional shower. They decide to wash the dishes in the bathroom sink despite having a functional sink in the kitchen right next to them. They just got insulted by another sim, but return to friendly chatting as soon as the interaction is over. They get up from their chair at the dining table just to hug their parent before sitting down and finally talking. They had a bad day at work, their child drowned in the swimming pool, they embarrassed themselves when their roommate walked into them on the toilet and had an argument with their partner, but instantly forget about all these negative things that happened to them as soon as they walk into a nicely decorated room.

Those are just a few things that drive me nuts about TS4s AI. Now I won't say that those issues I've listed are exclusively problems in TS4. Many of those also appear in TS3 (along with its own little annoyances), but either in a much lesser dose or simply in a less annoying way. My suggestions: rework the AI to give these sims more of a brain to use. We shouldn't be forced to turn off autonomy just because a game from 2014 has a worse AI than it's predecessor from 2009.

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  • "Camkat;c-17442012" wrote:
    "Huiiie_07;c-17441660" wrote:
    "Sk8rblaze;c-17441634" wrote:
    "Huiiie_07;c-17441019" wrote:
    "Sk8rblaze;c-17440862" wrote:
    The Sims 4's AI (abysmal intelligence) had always made me feel as if I were fighting the game to enjoy it. Sims ignored my interactions and just lack smarts.

    Honestly, I just let it win that fight, and stopped playing. If my urge for Simming comes back, I'll certainly do what I have been, and go straight back to TS2 and TS3, which are definitively Sims games in the experiences they offer. Hopefully, when the world gets back on its feet, Maxis will too, and head straight to the planning board for The Sims 5.


    I actually don't really want them to make a The Sims 5, probably because it's already being rumored that i's gonna be multiplayer (or atleast having a multiplayer component), which is already showing that they couldn't care less about listening to us, the players. Also me (and my parents) already spent too much money on both TS3 and TS4, going through this whole process again isn't really something I should have to do to get a modern, enjoyable sims game. I can understand though why you and other players rather want to move on to the next iteration instead of this one getting fixed. Sims 4 isn't for everybody, some players find it unenjoyable at its core, something no patches could fix. I personally just wish they would start looking more at what the players want to see in the game. Atleast here on the forums, a vast majority wants bug fixes, no new packs that could add onto the problem.


    Don't get me wrong, I agree entirely, but I truly believe that pumping more money into The Sims 4 wastes more money than investing in a successor. Either way, I know I'm not buying a thing for The Sims 4 because developer communication and development quality are still just as horrid as it has been since 2014.

    The Sims 4 released six years ago. We are running with the longest Sims game iteration, yet with the weakest foundation of all of them yet. The requests you, myself, and many others have, ranging from serious AI improvements, Sim improvements, world improvements, bug fixes, and more of the sort just amounts to the work comparable to making a whole new base game. And as I said in my previous post, I like TS2 and TS3 a lot, sometimes wishing each had more dev time. However, I think at some point, each game needs to end to allow for the next one to (hopefully) bring new, much-needed improvements. TS4's time is dragging too long for too little. I don't think The Sims 5 would fix everything, but I do believe a game planned as a single player life simulator from the get go is better than what they salvaged and tried running with for TS4.

    And if they do design The Sims 5 as a multiplayer experience, at least the majority of us would know it's definitely time to jump ship.


    I kinda have the bad feeling that with TS5, the game won't improve that much. Don't forget that TS4 is the best selling game of the entire franchise. Maxis/EA are still companies that live from making money. Now that they've seen that even a lacking game like TS4 can make them enough money, even more than its predecessors, I highly doubt they would put more care into TS5 when they could do the same or even more amount of money with less effort.
    To be honest, their biggest mistake was turning a failed online game into singleplayer in the last minute. They should have completely scrapped the game and tried again, building TS4 from scratch. It would have most likely turned out a much better game and we wouldn't have all these discussions now. I really hate to sound pessimistic here, but I really think that the only thing that could save TS5 from utter failure is a worthy competitor for The Sims franchise, which would force them to put more care into their games if they don't want to permanently lose their costumers like SimCity lost them to Cities:Skylines.


    Is it the best selling game because it's actually good or because the past few years it's been reduced to $10 and $5 repeatedly and even free for a couple of weeks last year? How many of those purchases were full priced? I'd like to know that information because if most of it is on sales, then I think it devalues their statement of "best selling of the franchise". Furthermore, TS2 for example, might have done better but not everyone back then even had home PC's yet. It's still selling too. I see it in my local used game shops and unless they keep pulling them off the shelves and then putting them back to make them look like they're moving, they are still selling and that's not anything that can be tracked.

    I agree that The Sims needs competition. I think half the reason TS4 is in the state that it's in is because they have a monopoly. I think the other half is because modders are so dang good! They don't bother fixing bugs and other various issues because they know the modders have, so they can spend their time and money on other things and these things become less important because they know the fix is out there.



    I don't know, that's just what I've heard, but maybe because the games are always on sale, more people are willing to buy them? This would kinda compensate for the "lost money" through sales.


    "EdieAppleby;c-17442016" wrote:
    YES! YES! YES!

    This needed to be said plus so much more.
    The thing that's bugging me the most in gameplay rn is every single sim lining up to grill burgers on the home grill even when 3 or four different party meals are already on the picnic table. ESPECIALLY, when they are low on funds. Same with bars. We'll have 25 bucks in the household funds and if you blink, boom! 21 simoleons on a drink and it's like, 'great, it's a weekend. Where are you going to get the money for breakfast for your whole family tomorrow?'


    They shouldn't autonomously do anything that costs money tbh. A few of my sims even got on the computer to donate a 100§ to charity all on their own. At this time, I had enough money in the household funds, but I would've been so mad if my sims would've been left with 10§ or something just because they had to donate almost all of their money...did someone at Maxis really think that this is a good design decision?
  • I get only frustration than an enjoyment from playing the sims4, i still remember i really need to talk to this sims or feed on them, but my sims only standing still waiting for those sims to walk at the edge of the map, then my sims started moving to them only for the action to be canceled as soon as my sims arrive on the target sim.
  • This is why mods can do just that. The devs can try, though they sadly fall short of AI tweaking. My Sims doesn't know when to stay seated when having meals and would rather binge-watch TV while having their breakfast/lunch/dinner. It's a monotonous chore.
  • I always have Free Will set to the maximum. It's really interesting to leave a Sim to it's own devices, only to come back to find it in some amazingly horrible and hilarious predicament. xD
  • "DylanJ10000;c-17442902" wrote:
    I always have Free Will set to the maximum. It's really interesting to leave a Sim to it's own devices, only to come back to find it in some amazingly horrible and hilarious predicament. xD


    They kinda do the same stuff all over again I noticed. And that's not just in TS4, my TS3 sims also always do the same (though less annoying) stuff when left to their devices. Atleast I can trust the latter to feed themselves though.

    Btw, I just witnessed another horrible case of bad AI yesterday. My sim had a roommate who for some reason peed himself all the time and didn't go to the toilet, despite a perfectly working toilet being in the completely accessible bathroom only a few meters away from him. He then complained that he can't fill his basic needs at my place and left :D
  • Calling it a best seller is marketing talk. Completely disregards the fact Sims 4 is the easiest game to get seeing how it’s many times it (and it’s DLC) goes on sale. They were discounting Sims 4 all the way back in 2014 so it’s not surprising that they moved a lot of copies while it was cheap. It’s more than a little disingenuous to turn around and act like unit sales of a discounted product are something to write home about when you had to discount your game to move said units.
  • "ClarionOfJoy;c-17444632" wrote:
    "drake_mccarty;c-17444570" wrote:
    Calling it a best seller is marketing talk. Completely disregards the fact Sims 4 is the easiest game to get seeing how it’s many times it (and it’s DLC) goes on sale. They were discounting Sims 4 all the way back in 2014 so it’s not surprising that they moved a lot of copies while it was cheap. It’s more than a little disingenuous to turn around and act like unit sales of a discounted product are something to write home about when you had to discount your game to move said units.



    So true! I was in Origin just browsing (before going on a long session of TS3 play) and looked to see what was on sale. The ONLY games on sale was TS4 and its packs!!! So I check every few days - its seems TS4 and its packs are ALWAYS on sale. Another thing to note - they still sell TS3 and it is rarely ever on sale. Something to think about!



    They probably don't put TS3 on sale to discourage players from buying it (which is kind of weird move). Don't credit me on it, but I've heard multiple times that the devs were subtly bashing TS3 while introducing new packs for TS4 on multiple occasions.
  • If we were talking about rational people. Strong sales of older versions exposes more players to them, and invites comparison of old to new. What would happen to their precious TS4 cash cow if folks jumped ship for TS3? Just trying to probe their rationale.
  • "Huiiie_07;c-17444643" wrote:
    "ClarionOfJoy;c-17444632" wrote:
    "drake_mccarty;c-17444570" wrote:
    Calling it a best seller is marketing talk. Completely disregards the fact Sims 4 is the easiest game to get seeing how it’s many times it (and it’s DLC) goes on sale. They were discounting Sims 4 all the way back in 2014 so it’s not surprising that they moved a lot of copies while it was cheap. It’s more than a little disingenuous to turn around and act like unit sales of a discounted product are something to write home about when you had to discount your game to move said units.



    So true! I was in Origin just browsing (before going on a long session of TS3 play) and looked to see what was on sale. The ONLY games on sale was TS4 and its packs!!! So I check every few days - its seems TS4 and its packs are ALWAYS on sale. Another thing to note - they still sell TS3 and it is rarely ever on sale. Something to think about!



    They probably don't put TS3 on sale to discourage players from buying it (which is kind of weird move). Don't credit me on it, but I've heard multiple times that the devs were subtly bashing TS3 while introducing new packs for TS4 on multiple occasions.


    While they bash the very game they produced and that is not very good and shows me they do not put their heart soul into anything they make and do not stand behind the product and Sim City 2013 is an example of that.

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