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Im tired... You know the real problem? When a base game is bad the DLCs will never be as good. Thats a fact!

"keekee53;c-17003019" wrote:

"Sk8rblaze;c-17002993" wrote:
He is considering the countless stuff packs for TS4 as part of that equation -- using the number of DLCs as a basis for the game being "good". I guess it's clear why TS4 is the weaker entry.

That should tell you enough. The Sims 3, love it or hate it, just about had World Adventures, Ambitions, Late Night, Generations, Pets, Showtime, Supernatural, Seasons, University Life, and Island Paradise by now. Many of those packs contained multiple themes from the many TS4 packs all in one expansion.

Edited to remove screenshot of Guru personal twitter. ~Rtas

OH yeah you are so right. Let's just look at late night as an example. In Late Night we got bridgeport, apartments(which could be built in any world), vampires, celebrities, subway travel, the food truck, new film career, new zodiac sign for compatibility, group outings, a new dance and the list goes on. Plum, that is like City living, Get Famous, Vampire GP with a touch of Get together with group outings and a bit more than what we have so far and a bit less with the film career being expanded on in 4. If you look at it that way, the expansion in Sims 4 are REALLY lacking. You can't say you have had more pack releases when you have chomped the content being released in those packs in my opinion.

Edit: After thinking about it more, I feel robbed LOL.

Allow me to add on to this comparison,

Sims 3 Late Night added the following:
- Bridgeport (City World)
- Apartments
- Vampires
- Celebrities
- Subway Travel
- Food Truck
- Film Career
- Zodiac Signs
- Group Outings
- a new dance
- and more

Sims 4 added the following in the following packs:
- San Myshuno (City World) - from City Living
- Apartments - from City Living
- Vampires - from Vampires
- Celebrities - from Get Famous
- Subway Travel - not in Sims 4
- Food Truck (Food Vendors) - found in the following packs: City Living, Cats and Dogs, Seasons, Jungle Adventures, Strangerville
- Film Career - from Sims 4 Get Famous
- Zodiac Signs - not in Sims 4
- Group Outings - found in Base Game, further expanded upon in Get Together with Clubs
- Dancing - found in Base Game, further expanded upon in Get Together with the Dancing Skill

Now let's compare each feature,

City World: Sims 3 Bridgeport is much bigger compared to Sims 4 San Myshuno in terms of size, San Myshuno has festivals and dynamic public spaces that change over time.

Apartments: Sims 3 apartments can be placed in any world, Sims 4 apartments have lot traits and interactable neighbours.

Vampires: Everyone knows Sims 4 vampires are better than Sims 3 vampires.

Celebrities: I think it's also pretty obvious that Sims 4 celebrities are better than Sims 3 celebrities.

Food Truck/Vendors: I'm actually not too familiar with the Food Trucks from 3, don't know their exact functions so won't bother making a comparison here.

Film Career: Sims 3 Film Career is a rabbit hole career, Sims 4 Film Career is an active career

Group Outings: I believe Sims 3 and Sims 4 basic group outing system is very similair.

Dancing: Not too familiar with this dance from Late Night so I won't make any comparisons here either.

What can we conclude from this comparison?
2/10 listed features currently aren't in Sims 4, the zodiac signs and subway travel,
2/10 listed features I can't really comment on, the Food Truck/ Vendors,
3/10 listed features are up to subjective opinion on which one is preferred, City World, Apartments and Group Outings
2/10 listed features are objectively better in Sims 4 than they are in Sims 3, Vampires and Celebrities.

So sure, a lot of the content found in Sims 3 Late Night is found across multiple Sims 4 packs, but you also need to account all the other features all the other Sims 4 packs have that aren't in the Sims 3 Late Night. One Sims 3 Expansion Pack does not have more content than all of the above listed Sims 4 packs combined. City Living has a lot more content than just San Myshuno and Apartments. Get Famous has a lot more content than just the Celebrity System and the Acting Career. The Sims team doesn't divide up the content without accomodating in one way or another, you'll either find more depth in this chopped up content, or other misc. features alongside it.

I think it really better for in this case compare packs with other packs. Like late night should be compared with city living. In entirely. Get Famous should be compared with shiwtime.That seems to be more fair in both cases.

"filipomel;c-17003891" wrote:

"keekee53;c-17003019" wrote:

"Sk8rblaze;c-17002993" wrote:
He is considering the countless stuff packs for TS4 as part of that equation -- using the number of DLCs as a basis for the game being "good". I guess it's clear why TS4 is the weaker entry.

That should tell you enough. The Sims 3, love it or hate it, just about had World Adventures, Ambitions, Late Night, Generations, Pets, Showtime, Supernatural, Seasons, University Life, and Island Paradise by now. Many of those packs contained multiple themes from the many TS4 packs all in one expansion.

Edited to remove screenshot of Guru personal twitter. ~Rtas

OH yeah you are so right. Let's just look at late night as an example. In Late Night we got bridgeport, apartments(which could be built in any world), vampires, celebrities, subway travel, the food truck, new film career, new zodiac sign for compatibility, group outings, a new dance and the list goes on. Plum, that is like City living, Get Famous, Vampire GP with a touch of Get together with group outings and a bit more than what we have so far and a bit less with the film career being expanded on in 4. If you look at it that way, the expansion in Sims 4 are REALLY lacking. You can't say you have had more pack releases when you have chomped the content being released in those packs in my opinion.

Edit: After thinking about it more, I feel robbed LOL.

Allow me to add on to this comparison,

Sims 3 Late Night added the following:
- Bridgeport (City World)
- Apartments
- Vampires
- Celebrities
- Subway Travel
- Food Truck
- Film Career
- Zodiac Signs
- Group Outings
- a new dance
- and more

Sims 4 added the following in the following packs:
- San Myshuno (City World) - from City Living
- Apartments - from City Living
- Vampires - from Vampires
- Celebrities - from Get Famous
- Subway Travel - not in Sims 4
- Food Truck (Food Vendors) - found in the following packs: City Living, Cats and Dogs, Seasons, Jungle Adventures, Strangerville
- Film Career - from Sims 4 Get Famous
- Zodiac Signs - not in Sims 4
- Group Outings - found in Base Game, further expanded upon in Get Together with Clubs
- Dancing - found in Base Game, further expanded upon in Get Together with the Dancing Skill

Now let's compare each feature,

City World: Sims 3 Bridgeport is much bigger compared to Sims 4 San Myshuno in terms of size, San Myshuno has festivals and dynamic public spaces that change over time.

Apartments: Sims 3 apartments can be placed in any world, Sims 4 apartments have lot traits and interactable neighbours.

Vampires: Everyone knows Sims 4 vampires are better than Sims 3 vampires.

Celebrities: I think it's also pretty obvious that Sims 4 celebrities are better than Sims 3 celebrities.

Food Truck/Vendors: I'm actually not too familiar with the Food Trucks from 3, don't know their exact functions so won't bother making a comparison here.

Film Career: Sims 3 Film Career is a rabbit hole career, Sims 4 Film Career is an active career

Group Outings: I believe Sims 3 and Sims 4 basic group outing system is very similair.

Dancing: Not too familiar with this dance from Late Night so I won't make any comparisons here either.

What can we conclude from this comparison?
2/10 listed features currently aren't in Sims 4, the zodiac signs and subway travel,
2/10 listed features I can't really comment on, the Food Truck/ Vendors,
3/10 listed features are up to subjective opinion on which one is preferred, City World, Apartments and Group Outings
2/10 listed features are objectively better in Sims 4 than they are in Sims 3, Vampires and Celebrities.

So sure, a lot of the content found in Sims 3 Late Night is found across multiple Sims 4 packs, but you also need to account all the other features all the other Sims 4 packs have that aren't in the Sims 3 Late Night. One Sims 3 Expansion Pack does not have more content than all of the above listed Sims 4 packs combined. City Living has a lot more content than just San Myshuno and Apartments. Get Famous has a lot more content than just the Celebrity System and the Acting Career. The Sims team doesn't divide up the content without accomodating in one way or another, you'll either find more depth in this chopped up content, or other misc. features alongside it.

This is how I look at it as well. There are many things the Sims 4 has added and/or improved on from the past versions. On top of this, the game isn't finished yet. They have at least three more years to add to it.

My biggest complaint about the Sims 4 is the bland personalities. If they can fix that, than this will be the best version of the Sims imo (coming from someone who has played all four versions).

"RememberJoy;c-17003995" wrote:

"filipomel;c-17003891" wrote:

"keekee53;c-17003019" wrote:

"Sk8rblaze;c-17002993" wrote:
He is considering the countless stuff packs for TS4 as part of that equation -- using the number of DLCs as a basis for the game being "good". I guess it's clear why TS4 is the weaker entry.

That should tell you enough. The Sims 3, love it or hate it, just about had World Adventures, Ambitions, Late Night, Generations, Pets, Showtime, Supernatural, Seasons, University Life, and Island Paradise by now. Many of those packs contained multiple themes from the many TS4 packs all in one expansion.

Edited to remove screenshot of Guru personal twitter. ~Rtas

OH yeah you are so right. Let's just look at late night as an example. In Late Night we got bridgeport, apartments(which could be built in any world), vampires, celebrities, subway travel, the food truck, new film career, new zodiac sign for compatibility, group outings, a new dance and the list goes on. Plum, that is like City living, Get Famous, Vampire GP with a touch of Get together with group outings and a bit more than what we have so far and a bit less with the film career being expanded on in 4. If you look at it that way, the expansion in Sims 4 are REALLY lacking. You can't say you have had more pack releases when you have chomped the content being released in those packs in my opinion.

Edit: After thinking about it more, I feel robbed LOL.

Allow me to add on to this comparison,

Sims 3 Late Night added the following:
- Bridgeport (City World)
- Apartments
- Vampires
- Celebrities
- Subway Travel
- Food Truck
- Film Career
- Zodiac Signs
- Group Outings
- a new dance
- and more

Sims 4 added the following in the following packs:
- San Myshuno (City World) - from City Living
- Apartments - from City Living
- Vampires - from Vampires
- Celebrities - from Get Famous
- Subway Travel - not in Sims 4
- Food Truck (Food Vendors) - found in the following packs: City Living, Cats and Dogs, Seasons, Jungle Adventures, Strangerville
- Film Career - from Sims 4 Get Famous
- Zodiac Signs - not in Sims 4
- Group Outings - found in Base Game, further expanded upon in Get Together with Clubs
- Dancing - found in Base Game, further expanded upon in Get Together with the Dancing Skill

Now let's compare each feature,

City World: Sims 3 Bridgeport is much bigger compared to Sims 4 San Myshuno in terms of size, San Myshuno has festivals and dynamic public spaces that change over time.

Apartments: Sims 3 apartments can be placed in any world, Sims 4 apartments have lot traits and interactable neighbours.

Vampires: Everyone knows Sims 4 vampires are better than Sims 3 vampires.

Celebrities: I think it's also pretty obvious that Sims 4 celebrities are better than Sims 3 celebrities.

Food Truck/Vendors: I'm actually not too familiar with the Food Trucks from 3, don't know their exact functions so won't bother making a comparison here.

Film Career: Sims 3 Film Career is a rabbit hole career, Sims 4 Film Career is an active career

Group Outings: I believe Sims 3 and Sims 4 basic group outing system is very similair.

Dancing: Not too familiar with this dance from Late Night so I won't make any comparisons here either.

What can we conclude from this comparison?
2/10 listed features currently aren't in Sims 4, the zodiac signs and subway travel,
2/10 listed features I can't really comment on, the Food Truck/ Vendors,
3/10 listed features are up to subjective opinion on which one is preferred, City World, Apartments and Group Outings
2/10 listed features are objectively better in Sims 4 than they are in Sims 3, Vampires and Celebrities.

So sure, a lot of the content found in Sims 3 Late Night is found across multiple Sims 4 packs, but you also need to account all the other features all the other Sims 4 packs have that aren't in the Sims 3 Late Night. One Sims 3 Expansion Pack does not have more content than all of the above listed Sims 4 packs combined. City Living has a lot more content than just San Myshuno and Apartments. Get Famous has a lot more content than just the Celebrity System and the Acting Career. The Sims team doesn't divide up the content without accomodating in one way or another, you'll either find more depth in this chopped up content, or other misc. features alongside it.

This is how I look at it as well. There are many things the Sims 4 has added and/or improved on from the past versions. On top of this, the game isn't finished yet. They have at least three more years to add to it.

My biggest complaint about the Sims 4 is the bland personalities. If they can fix that, than this will be the best version of the Sims imo (coming from someone who has played all four versions).

Exactly my thoughts!

The thing is. TS3 had a more complete base game than TS4. So when he says s4 has more dlc, it's because the game's playing catch up to the previous installments while doing it's own thing.

So like, patches added ghosts, swimming pools, family trees, basements, dishwashers, repairmen, gardeners, nannies, toddlers, and probably some others. All of which were available in the s3 base game.

Sims 3 Ambitions gave us 5 professions and laundry. Get to Work came with 3 professions and laundry is in a separate pack. Sims 3 Late Night added vampires, the butler and celebrities, which are separated into 3 different packs for ts4. The laptop was added in ts4 StrangerVille but available in ts3 base game.

I want to say the bigger team has to do with engine and graphics stuff. Are things more in-depth when they separate it in ts4? Sure, kinda. BUT ts3 still gave more with a pack.

In a way, it's almost like quality vs quantity. Do we get more stuff like we did in the previous installment or do we get less with expanded features?

Edit because I agree with @RememberJoy that I am willing to overlook everything if I could just get some real personality in my sims

"filipomel;c-17003891" wrote:

"keekee53;c-17003019" wrote:

"Sk8rblaze;c-17002993" wrote:
He is considering the countless stuff packs for TS4 as part of that equation -- using the number of DLCs as a basis for the game being "good". I guess it's clear why TS4 is the weaker entry.

That should tell you enough. The Sims 3, love it or hate it, just about had World Adventures, Ambitions, Late Night, Generations, Pets, Showtime, Supernatural, Seasons, University Life, and Island Paradise by now. Many of those packs contained multiple themes from the many TS4 packs all in one expansion.

Edited to remove screenshot of Guru personal twitter. ~Rtas

OH yeah you are so right. Let's just look at late night as an example. In Late Night we got bridgeport, apartments(which could be built in any world), vampires, celebrities, subway travel, the food truck, new film career, new zodiac sign for compatibility, group outings, a new dance and the list goes on. Plum, that is like City living, Get Famous, Vampire GP with a touch of Get together with group outings and a bit more than what we have so far and a bit less with the film career being expanded on in 4. If you look at it that way, the expansion in Sims 4 are REALLY lacking. You can't say you have had more pack releases when you have chomped the content being released in those packs in my opinion.

Edit: After thinking about it more, I feel robbed LOL.

Allow me to add on to this comparison,

Sims 3 Late Night added the following:
- Bridgeport (City World)
- Apartments
- Vampires
- Celebrities
- Subway Travel
- Food Truck
- Film Career
- Zodiac Signs
- Group Outings
- a new dance
- and more

Sims 4 added the following in the following packs:
- San Myshuno (City World) - from City Living
- Apartments - from City Living
- Vampires - from Vampires
- Celebrities - from Get Famous
- Subway Travel - not in Sims 4
- Food Truck (Food Vendors) - found in the following packs: City Living, Cats and Dogs, Seasons, Jungle Adventures, Strangerville
- Film Career - from Sims 4 Get Famous
- Zodiac Signs - not in Sims 4
- Group Outings - found in Base Game, further expanded upon in Get Together with Clubs
- Dancing - found in Base Game, further expanded upon in Get Together with the Dancing Skill

Now let's compare each feature,

City World: Sims 3 Bridgeport is much bigger compared to Sims 4 San Myshuno in terms of size, San Myshuno has festivals and dynamic public spaces that change over time.

Apartments: Sims 3 apartments can be placed in any world, Sims 4 apartments have lot traits and interactable neighbours.

Vampires: Everyone knows Sims 4 vampires are better than Sims 3 vampires.

Celebrities: I think it's also pretty obvious that Sims 4 celebrities are better than Sims 3 celebrities.

Food Truck/Vendors: I'm actually not too familiar with the Food Trucks from 3, don't know their exact functions so won't bother making a comparison here.

Film Career: Sims 3 Film Career is a rabbit hole career, Sims 4 Film Career is an active career

Group Outings: I believe Sims 3 and Sims 4 basic group outing system is very similair.

Dancing: Not too familiar with this dance from Late Night so I won't make any comparisons here either.

What can we conclude from this comparison?
2/10 listed features currently aren't in Sims 4, the zodiac signs and subway travel,
2/10 listed features I can't really comment on, the Food Truck/ Vendors,
3/10 listed features are up to subjective opinion on which one is preferred, City World, Apartments and Group Outings
2/10 listed features are objectively better in Sims 4 than they are in Sims 3, Vampires and Celebrities.

So sure, a lot of the content found in Sims 3 Late Night is found across multiple Sims 4 packs, but you also need to account all the other features all the other Sims 4 packs have that aren't in the Sims 3 Late Night. One Sims 3 Expansion Pack does not have more content than all of the above listed Sims 4 packs combined. City Living has a lot more content than just San Myshuno and Apartments. Get Famous has a lot more content than just the Celebrity System and the Acting Career. The Sims team doesn't divide up the content without accomodating in one way or another, you'll either find more depth in this chopped up content, or other misc. features alongside it.

The dance they speak of from 3 has to be the table dancing which wasn't a specific dance just dancing on a table. So it wasn't a dance really at all - just dancing on the table and gyrating now and then. LOL. Seems I do remember once they got good enough at dancing they could the gyrating on the floor too, like a line dance but I don't recall if that came in that pack or was added later. The first time I saw it on the floor was after University came out.

The food trucks moved a lot so they were hard to find for one - but if you found them you were better off not eating at one as they have a bad buff that said Sims are sick from eating greasy food. It never failed - it happened all the time. As far as I am concerned they could have gotten rid of food trucks as they really messed up your Sims day. I used to have my Sims carry fruit in their inventory to eat instead until they found a coffee shop or restaurant so they didn't turn green and get sick. The fair ground food shacks were better and your were better to go there. Fair food never makes my sim ill in Sims 3.

I actually love all the Sims games though - usually for their differences more than things they do alike.

I agree that the team has put out more content than ts3, but for me, the difference is variety. when we got new stuff packs it would have the same objects but different design. for instance, fitness pack where we got the same exercise machines, plus one rock climbing wall, when we could have gotten weights, elliptical bikes, and more etc. I'm not saying one is objectively better than the other, and i enjoy both games even with their faults, but ts3 seemed "fuller" due to the variety of objects, careers, and other gameplay features.

"taydev;c-17004240" wrote:
I agree that the team has put out more content than ts3, but for me, the difference is variety. when we got new stuff packs it would have the same objects but different design. for instance, fitness pack where we got the same exercise machines, plus one rock climbing wall, when we could have gotten weights, elliptical bikes, and more etc. I'm not saying one is objectively better than the other, and i enjoy both games even with their faults, but ts3 seemed "fuller" due to the variety of objects, careers, and other gameplay features.

If this is all true, then why did we have all those threads (every month) complaining about droughts of DLC? No communication complaints and many, many, many drought threads.

Grant was surprised to see what a success Laundry Stuff was from what I remember him tweeting some time ago.

I'm getting a bit fed up with Forums myself as every thread develops into a 3 versus 4 argument. I wish I could still see what packs or games Simmers had so I could ignore those who have very few or don't play but come here to criticise 4. When that starts such threads should be moved into the 3 Forum to be added to at their leisure.