Planet Coaster has hand holding while walking so why can t Sims 4?

"MzPigglyPooh;15378782" wrote:

"meeoun;15378773" wrote:
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"MzPigglyPooh;15378752" wrote:
Am I the only one still hoping for sleep cuddling to make comeback? I miss sleep cuddling :(

No, you're not the only one.. :'(

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"phoebebebe13;15378657" wrote:

"JoAnne65;15378605" wrote:

"luthienrising;15376350" wrote:

"JoAnne65;15376273" wrote:

"luthienrising;15371237" wrote:
I'm guessing GTA has cars because it's about cars?? There's a lot Sims has that GTA or Fallout don't. But fundamentally, they're different creatures. And all of them are more than a laundry list of objects.

Sims is about simulating life. Cars in most countries are part of daily life. So I don't really follow this argument.

(I do think holding hands is really hard to do in this game by the way, but it would be awesome)

Sims is about all of life, of which cars are one small part, even if that's daily for some people. There's a difference between being about the full scope of life and being about driving.

GTA isn't all about driving and cars either ;)

It depends on who is playing the game. I prefer to drive just so I can listen to K109. When my son plays I don't like when he gets out of the car to do a mission and cuts off songs I like :p

"JoAnne65;15378789" wrote:

"phoebebebe13;15378657" wrote:

"JoAnne65;15378605" wrote:

"luthienrising;15376350" wrote:

"JoAnne65;15376273" wrote:

"luthienrising;15371237" wrote:
I'm guessing GTA has cars because it's about cars?? There's a lot Sims has that GTA or Fallout don't. But fundamentally, they're different creatures. And all of them are more than a laundry list of objects.

Sims is about simulating life. Cars in most countries are part of daily life. So I don't really follow this argument.

(I do think holding hands is really hard to do in this game by the way, but it would be awesome)

Sims is about all of life, of which cars are one small part, even if that's daily for some people. There's a difference between being about the full scope of life and being about driving.

GTA isn't all about driving and cars either ;)

It depends on who is playing the game. I prefer to drive just so I can listen to K109. When my son plays I don't like when he gets out of the car to do a mission and cuts off songs I like :p

LOL, I never played the game myself but follow my son every now and then, while he keeps throwing people out of cars, stealing them, and shooting or knocking down everyone that's in his way and doing all kind of missions, he constantly has the police on his tail. "Hey, a siren, is that...?" "Yeahyeahyeah." "And why do you play The Pet Shop Boys?" "What's The Pet Shop Boys?" "What's playing, that's The Pet Shop Boys." "Oh, yeah, I don't know, it's on the channel."
And actually I told him once: if I'd play this game I'd just tirelessly drive around that awesome open American world, complying with the rules of the road and never get into trouble :D He's says it's clearly not my game :p

"phoebebebe13;15378899" wrote:

"JoAnne65;15378789" wrote:

"phoebebebe13;15378657" wrote:

"JoAnne65;15378605" wrote:

"luthienrising;15376350" wrote:

"JoAnne65;15376273" wrote:

"luthienrising;15371237" wrote:
I'm guessing GTA has cars because it's about cars?? There's a lot Sims has that GTA or Fallout don't. But fundamentally, they're different creatures. And all of them are more than a laundry list of objects.

Sims is about simulating life. Cars in most countries are part of daily life. So I don't really follow this argument.

(I do think holding hands is really hard to do in this game by the way, but it would be awesome)

Sims is about all of life, of which cars are one small part, even if that's daily for some people. There's a difference between being about the full scope of life and being about driving.

GTA isn't all about driving and cars either ;)

It depends on who is playing the game. I prefer to drive just so I can listen to K109. When my son plays I don't like when he gets out of the car to do a mission and cuts off songs I like :p

LOL, I never played the game myself but follow my son every now and then, while he keeps throwing people out of cars, stealing them, and shooting or knocking down everyone that's in his way and doing all kind of missions, he constantly has the police on his tail. "Hey, a siren, is that...?" "Yeahyeahyeah." "And why do you play The Pet Shop Boys?" "What's The Pet Shop Boys?" "What's playing, that's The Pet Shop Boys." "Oh, yeah, I don't know, it's on the channel."
And actually I told him once: if I'd play this game I'd just tirelessly drive around that awesome open American world, complying with the rules of the road and never get into trouble :D He's says it's clearly not my game :p

I did not know the game had the pet shop boys too :p I love Cerone why I listen to K109. You throw people out of cars, beat them up, whole lot of shooting and they send you on missions. If you ever want to play just drive and listen to the radio. LOL. And....... don't play on line or other players will hunt you down and kill you.

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"Sims_4funn;15378421" wrote:

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"phoebebebe13;15375833" wrote:

"Sims_4funn;15375819" wrote:
@phoebebebe13 @chesterbigbird @Mstybl95 @Cinebar @blueturtleotter

Sooooooo.... Basically Maxis/EA cannot afford the engine it would take to make the game more realistic and coincide with today's tech?.... OR they are concerned that not enough people would buy it because they wouldn't be able to afford the PC needed to play it on?

Back when the sims 3 was issued a lot of people could not afford a computer to run the game. PC's have come down in price since then. The average PC to run the sims 3 or 4 desktop $700 USD now. This was a big issue for many since back when the sims 3 was issued you were looking at a few thousand to run the game properly.

The sims 4 was originally olympus an on line game that they switched to PC. The engine is limited. Why they went this route with the game only EA can answer. The requirements are the same for TS3 and 4 only the games are programed differently. If they chose to continue with the same engine as TS3, TS4 might not be as limited.

We get people all the time in tech that want to spend $500 or less for a PC on this game. $500 or less gets you a PC for general use and is not meant to run any PC game that has actual requirements to run. Many dont want to spend the money on a PC but they are willing to drop a lot of money on the game and then find out their PC can't run it. There are a few heavy gamers that also play the sims however majority don't want to buy a gaming PC just to play the sims.

If EA made a game as powerful as coaster planet you would be looking at thousands of dollars on a desk top PC to run the game. Gaming laptops are even more expensive than desktop. Chester has a new top of the line desktop PC and is having issues with Coaster Planet. Imagine what it is doing to lesser PCs .

The Sims 3 was very successful despite its requirements for an expensive gaming PC; so successful it supported the release of 2 EPs a year, something The Sims 4 is unable to do even though it is designed to run on toasters. I don't think, if it is true, that The Sims 4 was designed to run on low spec computers was to increase sales, is working because they'd be releasing more content for it if it was selling well.

I personally knew 2 people who purchased new computers just so they could play The Sims 3 at launch. People will pay a lot of money to play a game they love. Gaming is an expensive hobby and if your computer is not designed to play games, you should not expect them to run on your general purpose machine. The Sims series should not be held back. There will never be innovation and improved A.I. if Maxis do not utilise modern technology. The series will stagnate.

The Sims 4 bought nothing new to the series. The Sims in it could not even react as well as sims in the predecessors until they patched the game a year after release.

If a game wows players, is innovative and has fantastic gameplay, players will upgrade to play it.

You know a few people who did. I know many more people who did not buy computer for the sims 3 or did not buy a computer until later when the computers dropped in price. Im one of them. I was not spending thousands of dollars on a computer to play the sims 3. I actually stopped buying the game when the computer I had at the time could not handle the game. I did not buy the rest of the game until I could afford a computer to play it. There is no way I would drop thousands of dollars on a computer for this game since I would rather play most games on console. There are plenty more like me. I do help in tech and the average person (which is a majority) would not spend thousands of dollars on a computer. There are more non PC gamers playing this game than there are heavy gamers that would spend thousands of dollars on a gaming computer. Again we get people all the time in TS3 Tech section stating they are coming back to sims 3 because they can now afford to buy a computer. They will ask what kind of computer they need. We also get newbees and the occasional person who still bought a plum computer and can't run the game.

EA wants to make money. The more people that can play the game, the more sales they make. If the sims 4 does not cater to you, don't play it. I don't play it. Im fine with still playing 2 and 3.

Not tryna be rude here but you gotta admit you personally couldn't vouch for over a billion people world wide... I don't think you can make the statement about what and how many people would buy what... I would need to see some sourcing on your claims about people not spending ridiculous amounts of money on what they really want and go to the ends of the earth to get it... My point? Too many people in the world and with just about everything in our life that is digital you can not make a claim like that with out proof. Even if you knew 100,000 people who made the same choice as you, the math on what you speak still wouldn't add up. Especially when a company who would aimlessly continue to produce a game to consumers they have no idea why they are buying their product but they do anyway... and paying for a game in smaller increments overtime doesn't reduce the price of the hobby one decides to invest in. ijs

One could say the same for you. Yes you are rude and should not speak for others ( Two People :s ) .. EA is in the USA. We are in financial crisis but Im not getting into politics here. I can only tell you what I see in tech and so can others that help in tech. Most do not want to spend the money. Same happened with the sims 3. They want to play the game but don't want to or cant afford to buy the hardware to play it even though the game itself is expensive.Some get the game packs for birthdays or holidays as gifts because they can't just go out and buy the game. A lot of people come in tech stating they don't want to spend the money for a gaming computer when all they do is play the sims. The proof is all over the forum if you came into tech to help, or search the forum for every post. Have fun searching

To keep this on topic as I stated in a previous post , You want a sims game like planet coaster? Good luck with that. That game is so poorly optimized it wont play on the highest end of computers. A lot of people having problems with that game. If EA made such a game they would loose a lot of money.

Im sorry you did not get the game you wanted with the sims 4 but no need to take it out on your fellow players. At this point your just baiting so I am done discussing anything with you.

@phoebebebe13
I was sincere when I said that my goal was not to be rude, and I am sorry you took it that way. In no way am I taking anything out on players I am just expressing the opposite of what you are saying... I do understand that it is impossible to observe the tone of comments on an impersonal platform so I choose not to take offense to what people say to me about my comments, I think it is the cordial thing to do. Anyhow, I see your point, though I still disagree. :)

I can only tell you what I see from helping in tech for both 3 and 4. I do have friends in here that game heavy and ones that don't. The old sims 3 forum, I did have friends and many did leave because they did not have the hardware to run the game. Many were not expecting EA to up their game from sims 2 to 3 but they did. Everyone was use to the sims 1 and 2 running on almost any computer. There also seems to be a lot more kids playing the sims 4 than 3. We have spoken to many of them in tech and tell them to save their money if their budget is $500 or less for a computer. Most parents don't or will not buy a $2000 + computer for their children. You can buy 4 or 5 consoles for that. Most of the people who game on computer and have expensive hardware are the adults. When I got my gaming laptop I would not let my son near it. I bought him a cheap laptop which he destroyed. Taking care of a gaming computer takes a little bit more effort and kids destroy things.

Your friends are not representative of the whole crowd. The proof, despite the fact that TS3 needed major hardware, it still sold in record breaking numbers. If people are gamers, they will find a way to play. Yes there were some who couldn't, but the game still sold. It sold so well that there was an endless barrage of content released. And people still bought that. Even when it was ridiculously overpriced. Because that game with its innovative design and game changing features was worth it.

I have no clue the real numbers of TS4. What I do know is their release cycle is nowhere near as aggressive and is mostly counterintuitive to the game selling well. They are counting free updates as part of the cycle. Free! What I see is that people who are buying this game are not willing to spend more then a stuff pack and probably prefer just the free content. I think the release cycle speaks to how the game is performing overall. And EA overall does not see The Sims as a viable source of revenue...it doesn't even get a blurb in quarterly earnings calls like it used to. Before release - it's The Sims, it will sell. Now - *crickets

Its not just my friends. I do help in tech and you don't. I feel like a broken record and some of you are taking this thread way off topic and borderline trolling and baiting. Yes the sims 3 sold and still sells however I can tell you how many people in tech still cant play the game because they still buy plum computers that cant run it. There are also many people now buying better computers because they are more affordable and can now afford computers to play the sims 3.Many watch videos to get free sim points. Just because a game sells does not mean it's being played. I bought the sims 4 however I have not bought more for the game and I don't play it. Many more in here like me. Try putting this thread back on topic.

Well, from a business standpoint, it doesn't really matter if people continue to play the game. It matters that they continue to buy for it. And more people proved they were willing to keep buying for TS3 even if they didn't play it. That's why they invested heavily into it. TS4 on the other hand is not being heavily invested in. Which, from a business standpoint, is a telling sign.

From a business standpoint it's good for EA if it's selling but not good for the player if they bought the game, they cant get a refund even though their computer can't handle the game and cant afford a computer to play it. These people won't buy more for the game. I have seen a lot of people in tech buying the sims 3 at target or walmart in the $5 bin and then find out their computer cant play it. We are getting newbees when the game goes down in price. Steam just had a huge $4.99 sale on the sims 3. A lot of people buying on steam to avoid the 1.69 patch. With the sims 4 if people dont continue to buy the game this does hurt EA. The game is exclusive to EA. We get a few that will only buy anything for the sims 4 or 3 if it's on sale. The game can get expensive with all the add ons.

But this all doesn't negate that people bought in record numbers on release day...even from the store. I am guilty. I have been buying on release day and preorder since TS1. Katy Perry and TS4 was when I stopped all that. During the sims lifecycle, I have upgraded or updated my computer at least 8 times that I can remember. I think people underestimate how many gamers (PC gamers) there are out in the world. People like me don't visit tech forums because we already struggled though life in the 90s and learned everything we need to know to make games run smoothly. I consider tech forums for people who aren't really that into the game in the first place. People dabbling in it that can go either way...buy more or less. TS has always been considered a casual game, but I don't think EA realized how many core of gamers play this game. Or how many people used to use it for other reasons like creating machinima or architecture or city planning. Heck, my school used to use it in a city planning class. I am one of the people that doesn't see TS4 as a lost cause, but I am also one of the people that continually sees them making really bad design decisions. If they opened the game to more creativity and started actually trying to attempt the things they deem too hard or expensive, it would draw people back into the game. Bit this game needs a drastic amount of content for that to happen and they do not want to invest in it. It's their loss because this franchise is still going strong, but EA decided to kill it with bizarre decisions. And I hope they see that the community is still here waiting for something better instead of letting Ts4 be the end of the series. I'd really like it if sims could hold hands and walk in groups. I honestly think that is the type of "impossible" tasks that would help the world feel more alive. I was looking at the scenery in CL...they didn't even bother making those FX walkers walk in groups or couples. That's pathetic. Even at a crosswalk people are grouped.

"JoAnne65;15378920" wrote:

"phoebebebe13;15378899" wrote:

"JoAnne65;15378789" wrote:

"phoebebebe13;15378657" wrote:

"JoAnne65;15378605" wrote:

"luthienrising;15376350" wrote:

"JoAnne65;15376273" wrote:

"luthienrising;15371237" wrote:
I'm guessing GTA has cars because it's about cars?? There's a lot Sims has that GTA or Fallout don't. But fundamentally, they're different creatures. And all of them are more than a laundry list of objects.

Sims is about simulating life. Cars in most countries are part of daily life. So I don't really follow this argument.

(I do think holding hands is really hard to do in this game by the way, but it would be awesome)

Sims is about all of life, of which cars are one small part, even if that's daily for some people. There's a difference between being about the full scope of life and being about driving.

GTA isn't all about driving and cars either ;)

It depends on who is playing the game. I prefer to drive just so I can listen to K109. When my son plays I don't like when he gets out of the car to do a mission and cuts off songs I like :p

LOL, I never played the game myself but follow my son every now and then, while he keeps throwing people out of cars, stealing them, and shooting or knocking down everyone that's in his way and doing all kind of missions, he constantly has the police on his tail. "Hey, a siren, is that...?" "Yeahyeahyeah." "And why do you play The Pet Shop Boys?" "What's The Pet Shop Boys?" "What's playing, that's The Pet Shop Boys." "Oh, yeah, I don't know, it's on the channel."
And actually I told him once: if I'd play this game I'd just tirelessly drive around that awesome open American world, complying with the rules of the road and never get into trouble :D He's says it's clearly not my game :p

I did not know the game had the pet shop boys too :p I love Cerone why I listen to K109. You throw people out of cars, beat them up, whole lot of shooting and they send you on missions. If you ever want to play just drive and listen to the radio. LOL. And....... don't play on line or other players will hunt you down and kill you.

Yeah, I know, it's really entertaining to follow my son when that happens :D

"S100Headache;15379789" wrote:

"phoebebebe13;15378623" wrote:
Being that Planet Coaster does require a better gaming computer many may not be able to play it. Those are the highest specs I have currently seen in a game. Most people can't afford top of the line computers to run a game like this although computers have come down in price since 2009 when the sims 3 came out. They were making TS4 while still making TS3. EA may not have seen the future in gaming hardware and the fact that it would advance so much since then. If there is a TS5 one can hope the game will advance while still being able to be played on a gaming computer most can afford.

I have a feeling that EA thinks less of Sims players: Less likely to have a decent rig, less likely to do anything more than make pretty Sims, more likely to drop $10 or so on microtransactions every now and then...They probably think better of, say, the dude-bro crowd with the sports and the shooters.


My ten-year-old rig, upgraded to an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 at its peak, recently died, and so I transferred the GPU (AMD Radeon R7 260X) and the hard drives into a new barebones rig based around an AMD FX8350, chosen as it was the minimum "recommended" processor for Planet Coaster, and for HTC Vive in the future. Planet Coaster has me on medium/low settings to maintain 1080p, and Vive doesn't support my modest GPU (or my living room, but that's another story).

I wouldn't even call myself that hardcore. I only upgraded because the old machine was becoming so unreliable.

"blueturtleotter;15372459" wrote:

"DeservedCriticism;15372445" wrote:
Not comparable.

Not 100% on this, but I believe in Planet Coaster, some people move as groups and are therefore "attached" when walking around. One person in the group turns left, everyone in the group turns left. You could easily match this question of yours with "why can't people in Planet Coaster stop holding hands?" Because aside from when they're on a ride, they're treated as one mobile unit.

Secondly, it's important to realize Planet Coaster has people doing two things: walking and riding rides. As such, of course they focus more attention to this detail. The Sims? Where would they hold hands and walk? All the neighborhoods are really small so it'd be a short trip no matter where you are. Not really worth the effort.

I disagree, you can compare. Sims in 4 often act as a single group in Get Together.

Don't sims walk as a group in Get Together? One turns left, they all turn left.

https://www.thesims.com/media/cache/full/content/dam/ea/www-thesims/news_images/2015/AUG/Clubs_Walking_1.jpg

The same when they group dance. They are not acting as individuals; they are one unit all performing the exact same actions.

http://www.next-stage.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Les-Sims-4-Vivre-ensemble-13.jpg

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gNBEApWAjEI

Hand-holding in The Sims would be the same as in Planet Coaster, whilst doing it, the two sims would be one mobile unit whilst walking to a particular destination.

I agree that the worlds are so small in 4 it'd be a short trip, but still it'd be a nice feature for a couple to do it randomly now and then. This is the fourth iteration; one would expect it be more nuanced and it is little things like this that woudl make the sims appear more human.

And in response to the bold part, not all npcs in Planet Coaster hold hands, and the ones that do, as far as I am aware, do not do it all the time. There are also family units walking around that have couples holding hands with children not holding anyone's hand at all, yet they all move as one unit. NPCsalso put their arms around each other and can walk whilst doing so.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IPYrcfABF1s

This is a roller coaster sim. If Maxis were making it, they would have used the excuse that they wanted to focus on the roller coasters themselves and so thought it would be a waste of budget to add complex animations to the random NPCs. It is little details like this that make a game feel more immersive.

Planet Coaster is being praised so much because they have made a solid game that has detail in all areas like a modern game should have. They did not work with the modus operandi of what can we cut like Maxis appear to do with every release, but instead put in what they could to make the game more immersive.

Honestly, who'd've thought they would have gone to that much detail for the NPCs that are often out of focus due to the level of zoom? It just shows the dedication of the company and their developers to make a fantastic game that wows their players.

What have we had in 4 that wows? All we ever get is short cuts, limitations and lack of detail all for a premium price.

"HIFreeBirdIH;15381037" wrote:

"blueturtleotter;15372459" wrote:

"DeservedCriticism;15372445" wrote:
Not comparable.

Not 100% on this, but I believe in Planet Coaster, some people move as groups and are therefore "attached" when walking around. One person in the group turns left, everyone in the group turns left. You could easily match this question of yours with "why can't people in Planet Coaster stop holding hands?" Because aside from when they're on a ride, they're treated as one mobile unit.

Secondly, it's important to realize Planet Coaster has people doing two things: walking and riding rides. As such, of course they focus more attention to this detail. The Sims? Where would they hold hands and walk? All the neighborhoods are really small so it'd be a short trip no matter where you are. Not really worth the effort.

I disagree, you can compare. Sims in 4 often act as a single group in Get Together.

Don't sims walk as a group in Get Together? One turns left, they all turn left.

https://www.thesims.com/media/cache/full/content/dam/ea/www-thesims/news_images/2015/AUG/Clubs_Walking_1.jpg

The same when they group dance. They are not acting as individuals; they are one unit all performing the exact same actions.

http://www.next-stage.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Les-Sims-4-Vivre-ensemble-13.jpg

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gNBEApWAjEI

Hand-holding in The Sims would be the same as in Planet Coaster, whilst doing it, the two sims would be one mobile unit whilst walking to a particular destination.

I agree that the worlds are so small in 4 it'd be a short trip, but still it'd be a nice feature for a couple to do it randomly now and then. This is the fourth iteration; one would expect it be more nuanced and it is little things like this that woudl make the sims appear more human.

And in response to the bold part, not all npcs in Planet Coaster hold hands, and the ones that do, as far as I am aware, do not do it all the time. There are also family units walking around that have couples holding hands with children not holding anyone's hand at all, yet they all move as one unit. NPCsalso put their arms around each other and can walk whilst doing so.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IPYrcfABF1s

This is a roller coaster sim. If Maxis were making it, they would have used the excuse that they wanted to focus on the roller coasters themselves and so thought it would be a waste of budget to add complex animations to the random NPCs. It is little details like this that make a game feel more immersive.

Planet Coaster is being praised so much because they have made a solid game that has detail in all areas like a modern game should have. They did not work with the modus operandi of what can we cut like Maxis appear to do with every release, but instead put in what they could to make the game more immersive.

Honestly, who'd've thought they would have gone to that much detail for the NPCs that are often out of focus due to the level of zoom? It just shows the dedication of the company and their developers to make a fantastic game that wows their players.

What have we had in 4 that wows? All we ever get is short cuts, limitations and lack of detail all for a premium price.

Your comparison of groups doesn't change the fact that Sims are still their own individual units, each one self-contained. Yes, when they're in a group, they can do the same actions together, but the difference between the groups in the Sims and the ones in Planet Coaster are that they don't have to do the actions together. IN Planet Coaster, all of them have to go on a ride, none of them can separate from each other. In the Sims, if Sims are in a group together, they don't have to go to the bathroom together, they can separate and go by themselves. And the groups in Sims can be broken up, and each Sim can just go back to being their own. Doesn't happen in Planet Coaster, each group stays together from the day they enter the park to the day they leave.

Yes, both of them are groups, but the difference is how each individual person in that group is treated. The guests always stay together and every action they do is with each other. The Sims can separate from each in groups, and don't all do the same action like a hive-mind.
Stop comparing apples to oranges.