Pools are boring.

There should be more thing to do in pools by now.

"DreamaDove;c-16756077" wrote:

"astera00;c-16755854" wrote:
Pools definitely need some love. Having played Sims Freeplay before buying Sims 4, it was a real downgrade in terms of pool interactions, can you believe? In Freeplay, there are various water slides (curved and straight ones!), diving boards that comes with a diving hobby (the kind that looks like a plank), inflatable pool furniture, lifeguard chair, lounge chairs, more pools-specific interactions between sims including romantic ones and a vollyball net that you place in the pool where up to four sims can play vollyball! There are even towels that you lay on the side where you can sunbathe and relax.

The pool gets dirty if you don't clean it for a few days and sims refuse to swim in it if it isn't cleaned. Which makes for more immersive gameplay (haha, immersive :sweat: ) As this is a freemium game we're talking about, you can buy a pool-cleaning robot to do the task for you. Oh and I like how you can build an island in the middle of the pool that sims have to swim to.

So yes, remembering that I can get all this on Freeplay reminds me why some aspects of Sims 4 can feel a bit hollow at times and why I spend more time in CAS and build mode. I do prefer 4 a lot more overall, I mean the whole enjoyment in Sims comes from the creation aspect of it for me, but yeah I don't think a paid version of a game should have so much less than the free version sometimes.

wow. that sounds amazing and it makes me incredibly bitter.
Why is ts4 like this. It just makes me feel like EAxis is cheating us. I want to love ts4 but there's so much missing and I feel like such a fool for supporting it monetarily.

@DreamaDove Yeah, especially since it is 4 years into this game. They are adding things very slowly, and on top of that there is no communication on up coming content until 2 weeks before release, which stinks! So we are just left waiting and waiting... :s This is why TS4 is going to last 8 years.

"Rebelution76;c-16758274" wrote:

Actually, a part of me was hoping you could turn a pool into a skating ring come winter and just have your family skate on it without even leaving the house, but oh well. Maybe one day.

Umm, how should I break this to you? When you get the weather machine in Freeplay, you can do exactly that. Any body of water automatically freezes in the winter and you get to ice-skate on it :sweat_smile: The animations are good too.

"astera00;c-16785260" wrote:

"Rebelution76;c-16758274" wrote:

Actually, a part of me was hoping you could turn a pool into a skating ring come winter and just have your family skate on it without even leaving the house, but oh well. Maybe one day.

Umm, how should I break this to you? When you get the weather machine in Freeplay, you can do exactly that. Any body of water automatically freezes in the winter and you get to ice-skate on it :sweat_smile: The animations are good too.

WHY DOES FREEPLAY HAVE SO MANY FEATURES
WHY
WHAT IS THIS
WHAT IS THE SIMS 4 EVEN

Freeplay is your typical Skinner's box. It does have a lot of good features, including an open world and the ability to play all the Sims, but it's awful as well unless you really like the real time playing (with the ability to spend real world $$ to speed things up). But I don't like that mobile game model, and Freeplay doesn't even try to be subtle about the massive amount of money it's trying to make on basic gameplay. At least Fallout Shelter, which is pretty much the same thing, tries to be less obvious about it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Freeplay both cost less to maintain and makes more money than Sims 4. It's probably why they now have two mobile Sims games and are not worried about them competing against each other.

I think, though, what's most frustrating to me is so many of the small features were just base game in Sims 2 and Sims 3 yet we've been told for years that those features are too advanced for their game engine. If that's the case, they should have worked on a game engine that could handle those basic features.

"DreamaDove;c-16787689" wrote:

"astera00;c-16785260" wrote:

"Rebelution76;c-16758274" wrote:

Actually, a part of me was hoping you could turn a pool into a skating ring come winter and just have your family skate on it without even leaving the house, but oh well. Maybe one day.

Umm, how should I break this to you? When you get the weather machine in Freeplay, you can do exactly that. Any body of water automatically freezes in the winter and you get to ice-skate on it :sweat_smile: The animations are good too.

WHY DOES FREEPLAY HAVE SO MANY FEATURES
WHY
WHAT IS THIS
WHAT IS THE SIMS 4 EVEN

Learn the difference in a pc game and a mobile game - and you can answer your own question.

It is like comparing a cartoon version of a movie to a live action version of a movie. The mobile game is the cartoon version. I will add that many modern day newest mobile games are more advanced than they used to be and use more advanced design much more like PC and console games do - but to me nothing beats the actual pc game in full play compared to it's mobile counter part. Also most mobile games seriously limit how long you can play unless you want to keep giving them real money.

"Writin_Reg;c-16788027" wrote:

"DreamaDove;c-16787689" wrote:

"astera00;c-16785260" wrote:

"Rebelution76;c-16758274" wrote:

Actually, a part of me was hoping you could turn a pool into a skating ring come winter and just have your family skate on it without even leaving the house, but oh well. Maybe one day.

Umm, how should I break this to you? When you get the weather machine in Freeplay, you can do exactly that. Any body of water automatically freezes in the winter and you get to ice-skate on it :sweat_smile: The animations are good too.

WHY DOES FREEPLAY HAVE SO MANY FEATURES
WHY
WHAT IS THIS
WHAT IS THE SIMS 4 EVEN

Learn the difference in a pc game and a mobile game - and you can answer your own question.

It is like comparing a cartoon version of a movie to a live action version of a movie. The mobile game is the cartoon version.

so the cartoon is better.
I can agree so far, yeah.

"Felicity;c-16787852" wrote:
Freeplay is your typical Skinner's box. It does have a lot of good features, including an open world and the ability to play all the Sims, but it's awful as well unless you really like the real time playing (with the ability to spend real world $$ to speed things up). But I don't like that mobile game model, and Freeplay doesn't even try to be subtle about the massive amount of money it's trying to make on basic gameplay. At least Fallout Shelter, which is pretty much the same thing, tries to be less obvious about it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Freeplay both cost less to maintain and makes more money than Sims 4. It's probably why they now have two mobile Sims games and are not worried about them competing against each other.

I think, though, what's most frustrating to me is so many of the small features were just base game in Sims 2 and Sims 3 yet we've been told for years that those features are too advanced for their game engine. If that's the case, they should have worked on a game engine that could handle those basic features.

Actually the engine this game has is too advanced. It is the same reason why Sims 1 played on any old pc but why it will not play on most Window 10 pcs because they are technically too advanced for that programming etc that was used for Sims 1. Yet go find yourself some 15 year old pc and get it up and running - and the game works like a charm.

I have many games that will not play on today most advanced systems without some kind of program to dumb down your system mainly because advanced technology does not communicate with old - outdated technology no matter how good you liked that play -

"Writin_Reg;c-16788065" wrote:

"Felicity;c-16787852" wrote:
Freeplay is your typical Skinner's box. It does have a lot of good features, including an open world and the ability to play all the Sims, but it's awful as well unless you really like the real time playing (with the ability to spend real world $$ to speed things up). But I don't like that mobile game model, and Freeplay doesn't even try to be subtle about the massive amount of money it's trying to make on basic gameplay. At least Fallout Shelter, which is pretty much the same thing, tries to be less obvious about it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Freeplay both cost less to maintain and makes more money than Sims 4. It's probably why they now have two mobile Sims games and are not worried about them competing against each other.

I think, though, what's most frustrating to me is so many of the small features were just base game in Sims 2 and Sims 3 yet we've been told for years that those features are too advanced for their game engine. If that's the case, they should have worked on a game engine that could handle those basic features.

Actually the engine this game has is too advanced. It is the same reason why Sims 1 played on any old pc but why it will not play on most Window 10 pcs because they are technically too advanced for that programming etc that was used for Sims 1. Yet go find yourself some 15 year old pc and get it up and running - and the game works like a charm.

I have many games that will not play on today most advanced systems without some kind of program to dumb down your system mainly because advanced technology does not communicate with old - outdated technology no matter how good you liked that play -

gosh, i get you love the sims 4 and will excuse it for anything, but I don't get many of your comments at all.

the engine is 'too advanced' but it cannot handle basic features? what?

it's a bad engine and that's that.

"Writin_Reg;c-16788065" wrote:

"Felicity;c-16787852" wrote:
Freeplay is your typical Skinner's box. It does have a lot of good features, including an open world and the ability to play all the Sims, but it's awful as well unless you really like the real time playing (with the ability to spend real world $$ to speed things up). But I don't like that mobile game model, and Freeplay doesn't even try to be subtle about the massive amount of money it's trying to make on basic gameplay. At least Fallout Shelter, which is pretty much the same thing, tries to be less obvious about it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Freeplay both cost less to maintain and makes more money than Sims 4. It's probably why they now have two mobile Sims games and are not worried about them competing against each other.

I think, though, what's most frustrating to me is so many of the small features were just base game in Sims 2 and Sims 3 yet we've been told for years that those features are too advanced for their game engine. If that's the case, they should have worked on a game engine that could handle those basic features.

Actually the engine this game has is too advanced. It is the same reason why Sims 1 played on any old pc but why it will not play on most Window 10 pcs because they are technically too advanced for that programming etc that was used for Sims 1. Yet go find yourself some 15 year old pc and get it up and running - and the game works like a charm.

I have many games that will not play on today most advanced systems without some kind of program to dumb down your system mainly because advanced technology does not communicate with old - outdated technology no matter how good you liked that play -

I think we're using "too advanced" in different ways. It looks like you're saying it's meant for modern hardware -- that's true (though I didn't say the game was dated). But what I'm saying is it's having issues that prior technology had no issue with and a game engine designed to work on today's hardware shouldn't have those issues either.

ETA: If the game engine truly cannot handle features like, well, spooning or facing each other while dancing, then that's a problem with the engine, not a problem with it being designed on modern hardware for modern hardware.

"DreamaDove;c-16788068" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16788065" wrote:

"Felicity;c-16787852" wrote:
Freeplay is your typical Skinner's box. It does have a lot of good features, including an open world and the ability to play all the Sims, but it's awful as well unless you really like the real time playing (with the ability to spend real world $$ to speed things up). But I don't like that mobile game model, and Freeplay doesn't even try to be subtle about the massive amount of money it's trying to make on basic gameplay. At least Fallout Shelter, which is pretty much the same thing, tries to be less obvious about it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Freeplay both cost less to maintain and makes more money than Sims 4. It's probably why they now have two mobile Sims games and are not worried about them competing against each other.

I think, though, what's most frustrating to me is so many of the small features were just base game in Sims 2 and Sims 3 yet we've been told for years that those features are too advanced for their game engine. If that's the case, they should have worked on a game engine that could handle those basic features.

Actually the engine this game has is too advanced. It is the same reason why Sims 1 played on any old pc but why it will not play on most Window 10 pcs because they are technically too advanced for that programming etc that was used for Sims 1. Yet go find yourself some 15 year old pc and get it up and running - and the game works like a charm.

I have many games that will not play on today most advanced systems without some kind of program to dumb down your system mainly because advanced technology does not communicate with old - outdated technology no matter how good you liked that play -

gosh, i get you love the sims 4 and will excuse it for anything, but I don't get many of your comments at all.

the engine is 'too advanced' but it cannot handle basic features? what?

it's a bad engine and that's that.

Nope I just tell the truth - and you obviously reject it because you dislike the game so much. Seems you'd do better finding another game you actually liked if all you can do is make up things about this one to cast it in a bad light. But say why not go read up on Smart AI and Smart Technology Game engines.

I happen to like all 4 of the Sims series games so I don't have the need to try and find ways to diss them. I have been gaming for a long, long time - know technology and how it works pretty well - even though newer engings like Sims 4's don't have a lot of info out there - there is enough to know it is not the mess you think it is.