Potential return of Wants and Fears in High School Years

"RememberJoy;c-18148341" wrote:
Couldn't they just put the wants and fears with the likes/dislikes allowing us to pick which things they want and fear? That was my first thought anyways.

That would cause an outcry.

"DaWaterRat;c-18148313" wrote:

"simmerorigin;c-18148300" wrote:

"DaWaterRat;c-18148292" wrote:
As someone who didn't play Sims 2, my biggest concern is that people are going to be expecting Sims 2 Wants and Fears to be grafted onto Sims 4 Aspirations, and - at least from what I understand - that's not going to work the way people want it to.

The idea itself does seem interesting, and I know the sims team will have tried their best to work as much as they could in, but the AI is only so smart.

I'm a big Sims 2 fan and still play it. The Sims 2 is the model. It's not concerning to me that people expect Sims 2 as the standard because it is the standard. It will be judged based on that.

Also the Aspirations and Wants/Fears are not the same and the systems should reference each other. The aspiration category (Romance, Friendship, Family, etc.) drives the core wants and fears rolled.

That's not quite my point. The Aspirations work differently, the categories are less broad and there are more of them. Expecting Wants and Fears to work with Aspirations the way they did in Sims 2 is likely setting yourself up for disappointment. Because the Aspiration System is different, the way Wants and Fears are generated based on Aspirations will likely be different.

Some Aspiration groups are suitably narrow that having Wants/Fears based on Aspiration families will make sense (Animal, Fortune, Culinary) Others are so broad based it will make less sense - for example, Knowledge. A sim with the Master Spellcaster aspiration getting a want to ... build a Rocket doesn't really support their Aspiration, and is likely to be out of character. A sim with the Musician Aspiration likewise shouldn't get a fear of being grabbed by the Fabricator - it's a ridiculously easy fear to avoid, especially if there's no fabricator in the house.

I take your point, but I don't know that your examples would be any more ridiculous than our current whims: for example, constantly getting the "want to buy a bee box" whim because it's spring.

That being said, it would probably make more sense to have wants and fears tied more closely to your traits rather than your aspirations. But if such a system was truly like TS2, the wants and fears would come from a variety of sources: traits, aspirations, mood, needs, recent events, age, season, etc.

"Amapola76;c-18148347" wrote:

"DaWaterRat;c-18148313" wrote:

"simmerorigin;c-18148300" wrote:

"DaWaterRat;c-18148292" wrote:
As someone who didn't play Sims 2, my biggest concern is that people are going to be expecting Sims 2 Wants and Fears to be grafted onto Sims 4 Aspirations, and - at least from what I understand - that's not going to work the way people want it to.

The idea itself does seem interesting, and I know the sims team will have tried their best to work as much as they could in, but the AI is only so smart.

I'm a big Sims 2 fan and still play it. The Sims 2 is the model. It's not concerning to me that people expect Sims 2 as the standard because it is the standard. It will be judged based on that.

Also the Aspirations and Wants/Fears are not the same and the systems should reference each other. The aspiration category (Romance, Friendship, Family, etc.) drives the core wants and fears rolled.

That's not quite my point. The Aspirations work differently, the categories are less broad and there are more of them. Expecting Wants and Fears to work with Aspirations the way they did in Sims 2 is likely setting yourself up for disappointment. Because the Aspiration System is different, the way Wants and Fears are generated based on Aspirations will likely be different.

Some Aspiration groups are suitably narrow that having Wants/Fears based on Aspiration families will make sense (Animal, Fortune, Culinary) Others are so broad based it will make less sense - for example, Knowledge. A sim with the Master Spellcaster aspiration getting a want to ... build a Rocket doesn't really support their Aspiration, and is likely to be out of character. A sim with the Musician Aspiration likewise shouldn't get a fear of being grabbed by the Fabricator - it's a ridiculously easy fear to avoid, especially if there's no fabricator in the house.

I take your point, but I don't know that your examples would be any more ridiculous than our current whims: for example, constantly getting the "want to buy a bee box" whim because it's spring.

That being said, it would probably make more sense to have wants and fears tied more closely to your traits rather than your aspirations. But if such a system was truly like TS2, the wants and fears would come from a variety of sources: traits, aspirations, mood, needs, recent events, age, season, etc.

Hey, I never said I thought the current whim system was good. I think it's a good idea poorly implemented and I'm hoping that the new Wants and Fears system is a marked improvement. I only have whims active because sometimes my sims will end up fulfilling one without my trying... and I like toddlers to may be build up a few points before they age up so that I can pick up Storm chaser faster.

I just don't think they're wholesale importing the Sims 2 system into Sims 4, and expecting that could lead to more disappointment than never getting them at all.

As a huge Sims 2 fan this makes me wary. Because the sims 2 system was so good, the sims 4 just won’t live up to that.
Sims 2 what’s and fears were tied to their hobbies, aspiration, relationships and personality. Sims 4 sims aren’t that deep sadly. For example all my sims end up with the cooking hobby. My sim that dislikes gaming spends much of her time…gaming. Sims 2 was a lot deeper.

As much as I would love wants and fears in the sims 4, I worry it will be super shallow. Like all teens will get a fear of say being rejected for asking someone to prom. And yes that’s a legitimate fear, if all the sims get it then it’s not unique. Whims are so poorly done in the sims 4 they were disabled. All sims get a whim to buy new boxes in spring, children get whims to do laundry and my sim with a cat who has a vampire aspiration gets whims every other day to buy a cat litter box.

If we are getting wants and fears and it does deepen our sims personalities and make them them more unique and interesting I will be very pleasantly surprised.

"RememberJoy;c-18148341" wrote:
Couldn't they just put the wants and fears with the likes/dislikes allowing us to pick which things they want and fear? That was my first thought anyways.

I'm going to assume Kevin being afraid of the dark will mean he'd be afraid of going into the haunted house ride at the carnival. Kevin should be able to conquer his fears. That mean the fear icon should change like the Whims system during gameplay once completed.

"MidnightAura;c-18148370" wrote:
As a huge Sims 2 fan this makes me wary. Because the sims 2 system was so good, the sims 4 just won’t live up to that.
Sims 2 what’s and fears were tied to their hobbies, aspiration, relationships and personality. Sims 4 sims aren’t that deep sadly. For example all my sims end up with the cooking hobby. My sim that dislikes gaming spends much of her time…gaming. Sims 2 was a lot deeper.

As much as I would love wants and fears in the sims 4, I worry it will be super shallow. Like all teens will get a fear of say being rejected for asking someone to prom. And yes that’s a legitimate fear, if all the sims get it then it’s not unique. Whims are so poorly done in the sims 4 they were disabled. All sims get a whim to buy new boxes in spring, children get whims to do laundry and my sim with a cat who has a vampire aspiration gets whims every other day to buy a cat litter box.

If we are getting wants and fears and it does deepen our sims personalities and make them them more unique and interesting I will be very pleasantly surprised.

I like whims because they are optional, you can fulfill them or not, it's up to you, with no consequence on the sims if you don't. My sims do get interesting whims, some I fulfill, some not. If I remember correctly, wants in TS2 weren't optional, and neither were fears. Now imagine you have a vampire who is afraid of the dark.

I liked the idea of wants and fears, and they are probably going to be optional just like whims, which is even better. It would be such a tease if all of this ends up being just some marketing thing and nothing comes out of it.

"crocobaura;c-18148425" wrote:

"MidnightAura;c-18148370" wrote:
As a huge Sims 2 fan this makes me wary. Because the sims 2 system was so good, the sims 4 just won’t live up to that.
Sims 2 what’s and fears were tied to their hobbies, aspiration, relationships and personality. Sims 4 sims aren’t that deep sadly. For example all my sims end up with the cooking hobby. My sim that dislikes gaming spends much of her time…gaming. Sims 2 was a lot deeper.

As much as I would love wants and fears in the sims 4, I worry it will be super shallow. Like all teens will get a fear of say being rejected for asking someone to prom. And yes that’s a legitimate fear, if all the sims get it then it’s not unique. Whims are so poorly done in the sims 4 they were disabled. All sims get a whim to buy new boxes in spring, children get whims to do laundry and my sim with a cat who has a vampire aspiration gets whims every other day to buy a cat litter box.

If we are getting wants and fears and it does deepen our sims personalities and make them them more unique and interesting I will be very pleasantly surprised.

I like whims because they are optional, you can fulfill them or not, it's up to you, with no consequence on the sims if you don't. My sims do get interesting whims, some I fulfill, some not. If I remember correctly, wants in TS2 weren't optional, and neither were fears. Now imagine you have a vampire who is afraid of the dark.

I'm not sure what you mean when you suggest Sims 2 Wants and Fears "weren't optional."

"crocobaura;c-18148425" wrote:

"MidnightAura;c-18148370" wrote:
As a huge Sims 2 fan this makes me wary. Because the sims 2 system was so good, the sims 4 just won’t live up to that.
Sims 2 what’s and fears were tied to their hobbies, aspiration, relationships and personality. Sims 4 sims aren’t that deep sadly. For example all my sims end up with the cooking hobby. My sim that dislikes gaming spends much of her time…gaming. Sims 2 was a lot deeper.

As much as I would love wants and fears in the sims 4, I worry it will be super shallow. Like all teens will get a fear of say being rejected for asking someone to prom. And yes that’s a legitimate fear, if all the sims get it then it’s not unique. Whims are so poorly done in the sims 4 they were disabled. All sims get a whim to buy new boxes in spring, children get whims to do laundry and my sim with a cat who has a vampire aspiration gets whims every other day to buy a cat litter box.

If we are getting wants and fears and it does deepen our sims personalities and make them them more unique and interesting I will be very pleasantly surprised.

I like whims because they are optional, you can fulfill them or not, it's up to you, with no consequence on the sims if you don't. My sims do get interesting whims, some I fulfill, some not. If I remember correctly, wants in TS2 weren't optional, and neither were fears. Now imagine you have a vampire who is afraid of the dark.

They were in the sense that you didn’t have to do it. There could be consequences if you didn’t meet all your sims wants but for me it doesn’t impact my game negatively. I like them because they give my sims more life and personality. Whims in sims 4 don’t give my sims personality as it’s the same whims that appear constantly that are generic. I am willing to bet sims 4 wants and fears will be as deep as a paddling pool.

they're talking so many things i always considered should be base game update that tbh I'm getting worried some of it isn't

like for example i wouldn't want something like wants and fears to be pack only because then our sims are stuck with just wanting and fearing things in that particular pack