I will do my best not to come across as being "political" for that is NOT my intent. I want to start out with that I love the Representation we have in the game. From February showcasing Black Simmers to LatinX/Hispanic History Month being celebrated and LBGTQIA sims in every pack since Cats and Dogs added to the game. However more really needs to be done. I will do my best to keep it sweet without trying to offend anybody. With that said I'll explain why I'm disappointed with the Cottage Living pack and focusing on farming. I feel that groups races ethnicities and cultures not in the sims at all with ZERO representation should be a higher priority to adding in farming or for that matter occult sims. I think that fixing serious problems in the game should be fixed before any added kits and packs are introduced. Those should be the sims team's first priority in my opinion. I could be completely happy with fewer problems bugs and issues in the game if it means no new kits or packs for a year or two. We have Pacific Islanders with representation in the game. Nothing added that is actually part of the culture like Hula dancing or even Luaus as added food and parties for our sims. We have Japanese Representation kind of. When I think of Japan I don't think snowboarding skiing or even rock climbing. I think fishing, tokusatsu, great foods like sushi, sentai, stage shows, Tea Ceremony, anime, J-Dramas, J-Pop, manga, Japanese Gardens and so much more. Which really wasn't added with Snowy Escape. I end up just deleting and rebuilding the world. I have to use CC to set up a proper Japanese Tea House with a tea ceremony laid out. We have LatinX/Hispanic Representation to a point though it's Mexican based. There are more LatinX and Hispanic cultures than just Mexican. We have Black Representation that really needs improving with better hair and some more skintones added in. Even added foods have a world with the beauty of Harlem and Black communities throughout the world. One of my best friends growing up still lives in Harlem. I used to hang out with him and his mom taught me how to cook. She is one of the most amazing human beings I have ever met. We have LBGTQIA representation in the game that could be tweaked a bit.There isn't Native American/Canada's First People Represented at all I know that every Nation/tribe being represented is kind of impossible.There aren't a lot of cultures ethnicities and races represented yet in the game. Asians are more than just the Japanese. There are Indians, Middle Easterners, Chinese, Koreans and so on.What about European cultures with French, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese and so on. What about Jamaicans and Haitians?My list goes on.What about the Disabled? I know it's impossible to get every disability out there but wheelchairs hearing aids walkers elevators and canes aren't that difficult. There is CC and mods out there for these items. I know some people don't want it at all. But I have mods and Custom traits to represent some disabilities and mental health. I understand not wanting to offend and trigger people. I understand that as a company being politically correct is an absolute must. I understand that they don't want to misrepresent and poorly represent or do something that would be utterly insulting and stereotypical even to thoughts outside that race, culture or ethnicity. I understand religion and politics cannot be done without upsetting and offending and triggering somebody. For religion and politics, every political party worldwide and every religion added in including atheism and anarchy. It shouldn't be the responsibility of CC creators and modders to get this done at all.

Honestly, you don't have to be apologetic for wanting more representation in the game, and you shouldn't have to worry about offending people by saying you'd like to see more. If people are offended by broader representation, then they can just choose not to use the relevant material in their game- and optionally grow a thicker skin and learn to live with seeing people that aren't like them as an option in video games. You have nothing to apologise for, trust me! No matter how polite you are about the point you're making, people will still get offended by it. There's just no pleasing the 'there's too much representation!' types. I don't see a problem with what you're saying. People can scream at devs all day about wanting cars and fairies and werewolves and open world and this and that, so I don't see the problem with people asking for broader representation for different groups or cultures. I feel represented as a lesbian, which is great!- but as a cis white woman, I already know what it's like to be represented in the video games that I play- and the world (and media) shouldn't just revolve around people like myself. Sims has always been the most progressive popular game I've played, ever since I started in the 2000s, so I'm hoping other people's cultures and identities can get some further portrayal in-game where possible. It makes sense for a sandbox game to have a good breadth of the types of people you can make and stories you can tell. I know people will say 'b-b-b-b-but I want a life simulator!' but varying cultures and identities are a part of life, and someone asking for representation doesn't stop someone else from asking for gameplay features. I think the best thing a company can do, is to get specific input for any kind of rep they plan to add for the game (for example, consulting representative groups, staff members who are of that group, charities related to the group, etc). For example if they wanted to increase representation for people with disabilities, then they can speak to people with disabilities, charities, spokesperson groups, that sort of thing. That way they can try to ensure things are done as accurately and as respectfully as possible. Of course, people will still have criticism, but that's not a problem. People have a right to criticise and give feedback. I do hope you'll get what you want from this at some point in the near future and thanks for sharing your ideas.

I feel that Maxis are doing a pretty good job already, they have updated several black hairs and added skintones, they consult with different groups when adding content like they did with the Hispanic Heritage Month. There is always more that can be done but that can be said about pretty much everything in the game...I think a lot of reasons why they can't do more is budget and time honestly. I would have liked to see them do much more with Snowy Escape for example...I agree that there are cultures left that could be done like the ones you listed, hopefully we will see them in future packs, the courtyard oasis kit reminded me that we don't really have a world that suits builds like that (apart from maybe Oasis Springs).There have been other threads here on the forum about adding disability, I think a lot of people are not sure if they really want that in the game, I'm not sure myself if I want it. It's a rather hot topic so I don't wish to derail the thread.

i'm tired of representation being the main focus of this franchise, i feel like it should leave outside differences on people aside and focus on what's inside of all of us, our personality, our feelings, also our behavior, our reactions, our ideas, our ambitions, should be the main focus of the game. i don't oppose to what you say either and to be fair you're kind of right, ea put itself on this diversity field and now they've started they should do it properly but i feel like they should be base updates and not paid content

This is the sims not Representation Simulator. The whole point is to use your imagination. I hate that the game puts such a priority on this, it is political and i wish they cared more about the game itself. Im not against adding more cultural stuff but it becomes a problem when the focus is more on being politically correct than actually playing a game. If you want every detail to a T in the game there's a better game that does it : real life.

I feel like the pack should generally focus on certain themes. I feel like If the main focus was Representation, Heritage, Culture, and so on, It would simply be far too draining too taxing for players and the developers. As much as I would like to see my more of me represented in the sims, I would rather they put content I'm primarily after above representation. It really should be both. I personally wouldn't want to be presented with a Pack on representation. I rather see how it's woven, maybe subliminally, into pack. I just get very creative, Since I created my Pacific Islander, Nordic, Arab, & Italian Characters, I would like to see content to help them dress and play the part I have made for them. Because I do have characters of those backgrounds, and it would be neat to have some more interactions, dress, traits, and other characteristics. But I would like to see those cultures be in the background. But my thing is I want the Ancient as well as the modern representation, I want the historical approach.Like Mermaids, and Putting it with Island Living was a nice idea. Like a Werewolves Game Pack, an Italian-Greek world with Their culture and traditions, I think would be perfect for a werewolves game pack! When in reality the idea greatly serves me because it gives me a fresh designed Werewolf Occult at front and center. My Werewolf family is actually of Italian-British Background. I always wanted a Tuscan world, Have a Large estate on those lush rolling hills, and golden sunset. Have a successful Vineyard, wine and Rum Making as one of the new hobbies. And then Once Occult is well designed, Now the World Building can commence.I would Love an Arabian Pack, A "One Thousand and One Nights" Game pack would be so cool."bella_goth;c-17934298" wrote:i'm tired of representation being the main focus of this franchise, i feel like it should leave outside differences on people aside and focus on what's inside of all of us, our personality, our feelings, also our behavior, our reactions, our ideas, our ambitions, should be the main focus of the game. i don't oppose to what you say either and to be fair you're kind of right, ea put itself on this diversity field and now they've started they should do it properly but i feel like they should be base updates and not paid content But this is is what I mean, At the end of the day It is our ambitions, and we should have to tools available to us to do it.

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EvilBnuuy
New Rookie
4 years ago
Honestly, you don't have to be apologetic for wanting more representation in the game, and you shouldn't have to worry about offending people by saying you'd like to see more. If people are offended by broader representation, then they can just choose not to use the relevant material in their game- and optionally grow a thicker skin and learn to live with seeing people that aren't like them as an option in video games. You have nothing to apologise for, trust me! No matter how polite you are about the point you're making, people will still get offended by it. There's just no pleasing the 'there's too much representation!' types. I don't see a problem with what you're saying. People can scream at devs all day about wanting cars and fairies and werewolves and open world and this and that, so I don't see the problem with people asking for broader representation for different groups or cultures.

I feel represented as a lesbian, which is great!- but as a cis white woman, I already know what it's like to be represented in the video games that I play- and the world (and media) shouldn't just revolve around people like myself. Sims has always been the most progressive popular game I've played, ever since I started in the 2000s, so I'm hoping other people's cultures and identities can get some further portrayal in-game where possible. It makes sense for a sandbox game to have a good breadth of the types of people you can make and stories you can tell. I know people will say 'b-b-b-b-but I want a life simulator!' but varying cultures and identities are a part of life, and someone asking for representation doesn't stop someone else from asking for gameplay features.

I think the best thing a company can do, is to get specific input for any kind of rep they plan to add for the game (for example, consulting representative groups, staff members who are of that group, charities related to the group, etc). For example if they wanted to increase representation for people with disabilities, then they can speak to people with disabilities, charities, spokesperson groups, that sort of thing. That way they can try to ensure things are done as accurately and as respectfully as possible. Of course, people will still have criticism, but that's not a problem. People have a right to criticise and give feedback.

I do hope you'll get what you want from this at some point in the near future and thanks for sharing your ideas.
logionX
Seasoned Hotshot
4 years ago
I feel that Maxis are doing a pretty good job already, they have updated several black hairs and added skintones, they consult with different groups when adding content like they did with the Hispanic Heritage Month. There is always more that can be done but that can be said about pretty much everything in the game...I think a lot of reasons why they can't do more is budget and time honestly. I would have liked to see them do much more with Snowy Escape for example...

I agree that there are cultures left that could be done like the ones you listed, hopefully we will see them in future packs, the courtyard oasis kit reminded me that we don't really have a world that suits builds like that (apart from maybe Oasis Springs).

There have been other threads here on the forum about adding disability, I think a lot of people are not sure if they really want that in the game, I'm not sure myself if I want it. It's a rather hot topic so I don't wish to derail the thread.
imahulazombie
4 years ago
i'm tired of representation being the main focus of this franchise, i feel like it should leave outside differences on people aside and focus on what's inside of all of us, our personality, our feelings, also our behavior, our reactions, our ideas, our ambitions, should be the main focus of the game. i don't oppose to what you say either and to be fair you're kind of right, ea put itself on this diversity field and now they've started they should do it properly but i feel like they should be base updates and not paid content
Bmm209
4 years ago
This is the sims not Representation Simulator. The whole point is to use your imagination. I hate that the game puts such a priority on this, it is political and i wish they cared more about the game itself. Im not against adding more cultural stuff but it becomes a problem when the focus is more on being politically correct than actually playing a game. If you want every detail to a T in the game there's a better game that does it : real life.
MasonGamerBoi
4 years ago
I feel like the pack should generally focus on certain themes. I feel like If the main focus was Representation, Heritage, Culture, and so on, It would simply be far too draining too taxing for players and the developers. As much as I would like to see my more of me represented in the sims, I would rather they put content I'm primarily after above representation. It really should be both. I personally wouldn't want to be presented with a Pack on representation. I rather see how it's woven, maybe subliminally, into pack.

I just get very creative, Since I created my Pacific Islander, Nordic, Arab, & Italian Characters, I would like to see content to help them dress and play the part I have made for them. Because I do have characters of those backgrounds, and it would be neat to have some more interactions, dress, traits, and other characteristics. But I would like to see those cultures be in the background. But my thing is I want the Ancient as well as the modern representation, I want the historical approach.

Like Mermaids, and Putting it with Island Living was a nice idea.

Like a Werewolves Game Pack, an Italian-Greek world with Their culture and traditions, I think would be perfect for a werewolves game pack! When in reality the idea greatly serves me because it gives me a fresh designed Werewolf Occult at front and center. My Werewolf family is actually of Italian-British Background. I always wanted a Tuscan world, Have a Large estate on those lush rolling hills, and golden sunset. Have a successful Vineyard, wine and Rum Making as one of the new hobbies. And then Once Occult is well designed, Now the World Building can commence.

I would Love an Arabian Pack, A "One Thousand and One Nights" Game pack would be so cool.

"bella_goth;c-17934298" wrote:
i'm tired of representation being the main focus of this franchise, i feel like it should leave outside differences on people aside and focus on what's inside of all of us, our personality, our feelings, also our behavior, our reactions, our ideas, our ambitions, should be the main focus of the game. i don't oppose to what you say either and to be fair you're kind of right, ea put itself on this diversity field and now they've started they should do it properly but i feel like they should be base updates and not paid content

But this is is what I mean, At the end of the day It is our ambitions, and we should have to tools available to us to do it.
Babykittyjade
Rising Observer
4 years ago
I have to politely disagree with this. I want nothing more than a fun game where the focus is on is adding tons of fun activities, drama, gameplay, lore and detailed animations like sims 2.
I want more little details like dislikes/likes,wants,memories.
Challenges, burgerlers, karate, walking and holding hands!
I want zombies, wearwolves, occults ridable dragons in a fun dragon world and other fantasy worlds for occult players. I Want expanded family gameplay and romance that brings sims together.
Imagine if people screamed at maxis on twitter to make better and more animations instead of screaming about a what political aspect needs to be added next. I want things that actually IMPROVE the game. I live my culture,my color, my disabilities, my gender etc. Every single day in reality. I want the team to spend time money and resources on making the sims 4 the best that it could be.

I DON'T want the whole focus of this game to be how black blue or green your sim is. How much culture is "represented" how offensive adding said culture and/or disability is, then go on a twitter riot to get said offensive cultural aspect nerfed.
What happened to FUN? What happened to IMAGINATION? We Literally have like 1000 skin colors and I only use like two. Cause I'm too focused on game adventures.

Nothing against your wants or desires because we all want different things? just politely stating why I disagree.
Cinebar
4 years ago
I think Europe gets a lot of representation more so than Americana living. Take for instance the new Cottage Living pack it is in the spirit of English farming or a tiny reflection of those small farms/gardening. But America was not represented at all with it's majestic wheat fields, acres and acres of wheat and the farming equipment to harvest that wheat and process that wheat to feed the world. It would take years to do that by hand and the wheat would be dead without that farming equipment.

I'm actually over all this representation and what about representation of being human? We all have fears, emotions, quirks, habits, and have to deal with life, whether it's good, bad, or ugly. I want this game to return to 'life' and stop with the political correctness. There are so many peoples not represented and we all know who they are and Maxis either, can't, won't and or doesn't want to do some of these things for those people that let's just go back to human and make the Sim the best replica of a human with All their Flaws and Virtues.

OP, they say politics, religion etc. can't be discussed and or in the game..yet, they have politicians and careers of that sort and protests in the games. So, actually they do not want to represent the disabled nor the religious because we can see they have no problem representing politics.
CAPTAIN_NXR7
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
I hope that one fine day we get official body hair in this game...

A man can dream.
logionX
Seasoned Hotshot
4 years ago
"Babykittyjade;c-17935402" wrote:
I have to politely disagree with this. I want nothing more than a fun game where the focus is on is adding tons of fun activities, drama, gameplay, lore and detailed animations like sims 2.
I want more little details like dislikes/likes,wants,memories.
Challenges, burgerlers, karate, walking and holding hands!
I want zombies, wearwolves, occults ridable dragons in a fun dragon world and other fantasy worlds for occult players. I Want expanded family gameplay and romance that brings sims together.
Imagine if people screamed at maxis on twitter to make better and more animations instead of screaming about a what political aspect needs to be added next. I want things that actually IMPROVE the game. I live my culture,my color, my disabilities, my gender etc. Every single day in reality. I want the team to spend time money and resources on making the sims 4 the best that it could be.

I DON'T want the whole focus of this game to be how black blue or green your sim is. How much culture is "represented" how offensive adding said culture and/or disability is, then go on a twitter riot to get said offensive cultural aspect nerfed.
What happened to FUN? What happened to IMAGINATION? We Literally have like 1000 skin colors and I only use like two. Cause I'm too focused on game adventures.

Nothing against your wants or desires because we all want different things? just politely stating why I disagree.

Completely agree, I miss the focus on having fun too.
MidnightAura86
New Spectator
4 years ago
"Babykittyjade;c-17935402" wrote:
I have to politely disagree with this. I want nothing more than a fun game where the focus is on is adding tons of fun activities, drama, gameplay, lore and detailed animations like sims 2.
I want more little details like dislikes/likes,wants,memories.
Challenges, burgerlers, karate, walking and holding hands!
I want zombies, wearwolves, occults ridable dragons in a fun dragon world and other fantasy worlds for occult players. I Want expanded family gameplay and romance that brings sims together.
Imagine if people screamed at maxis on twitter to make better and more animations instead of screaming about a what political aspect needs to be added next. I want things that actually IMPROVE the game. I live my culture,my color, my disabilities, my gender etc. Every single day in reality. I want the team to spend time money and resources on making the sims 4 the best that it could be.

I DON'T want the whole focus of this game to be how black blue or green your sim is. How much culture is "represented" how offensive adding said culture and/or disability is, then go on a twitter riot to get said offensive cultural aspect nerfed.
What happened to FUN? What happened to IMAGINATION? We Literally have like 1000 skin colors and I only use like two. Cause I'm too focused on game adventures.

Nothing against your wants or desires because we all want different things? just politely stating why I disagree.

Say it louder for the people in the back!