Sims 4's development is ending?

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

If I like a game or content I buy the game and content. It 's not an issue. I don't care what others think - if it is worth it to me - I buy it.

The value of the dollar for Sims various packs compared to any other form of entertainment out there - to me it is worth it. It's in the eye of the beholder. You want to call it a money grab - well don't buy it if you believe that. What can I say. That's totally up to you - not me. Not my problem. I like the game and the content.

This formula has worked for 18 years, it still rules and keeps the Sims still doing as well as it ever did. So obviously many people seem to agree. I Can't help the fact you don't.

"Writin_Reg;c-16310716" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

You know something I own the entire Sims 3 store - bought most of it the day the store content came out. Money seems to be your issue - not mine. I like a game or content I buy the game and content. Not my issue. Don't care what you think - if it is worth it to me - I buy it.

You know what I would have issue with - is if the game didn't keep producing content. If it was up to me Sims 4 would have had a Sims 4 store as well - and most likely I'd bought all of that content also.

Did the same thing in Sims 2. The value of the a dollar for Sims stuff compared to any other form of entertainment out there - to me it is worth it. Seeing I am still also playing those games as well. It's in the eye of the beholder. You want to call it a money grab - well don't buy it. What can I say. That's totally on you - not me. Not my problem.

The formula has worked for 18 years and still rules and keeps the Sims still doing as well as it ever did. So obviously many people agree - we will keep on playing and keep on buying maybe the same way for another 18 years. Let us hope so anyway. Can't help the fact you cannot wrap your head around the idea.

If you bought all Store content the day it was released you obviously indeed didn’t have a money issue. Me however have never been able to afford that, nor needed it for that matter. I don’t think the point is what we can afford or are willing to spend on the game here. Those ‘in depth’ GP’s just offer content that used to be in one EP in the past. Like I stated in another topic: this GP will cost half of what WA cost, but it won’t contain half of what WA delivered. Not by a long shot.

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

I agree. Once the new GP drops the game and all dlc will be over £400. More expensive than any of the predecessors. ( I worked it out)

"JoAnne65;c-16310741" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16310716" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

You know something I own the entire Sims 3 store - bought most of it the day the store content came out. Money seems to be your issue - not mine. I like a game or content I buy the game and content. Not my issue. Don't care what you think - if it is worth it to me - I buy it.

You know what I would have issue with - is if the game didn't keep producing content. If it was up to me Sims 4 would have had a Sims 4 store as well - and most likely I'd bought all of that content also.

Did the same thing in Sims 2. The value of the a dollar for Sims stuff compared to any other form of entertainment out there - to me it is worth it. Seeing I am still also playing those games as well. It's in the eye of the beholder. You want to call it a money grab - well don't buy it. What can I say. That's totally on you - not me. Not my problem.

The formula has worked for 18 years and still rules and keeps the Sims still doing as well as it ever did. So obviously many people agree - we will keep on playing and keep on buying maybe the same way for another 18 years. Let us hope so anyway. Can't help the fact you cannot wrap your head around the idea.

If you bought all Store content the day it was released you obviously indeed didn’t have a money issue. Me however have never been able to afford that, nor needed it for that matter. I don’t think the point is what we can afford or are willing to spend on the game here. Those ‘in depth’ GP’s just offer content that used to be in one EP in the past. Like I stated in another topic: this GP will cost half of what WA cost, but it won’t contain half of what WA delivered. Not by a long shot.

I agree with this. Game packs are mostly good - but even they have limits. And a pack that retails at £30 will have more than a pack that cost £18. The difference will be made up though probably in a stuff pack.

I guess my view is somewhat unusual maybe because I don’t want to see The Sims churning out content for the sake of it. I strongly dislike the new practise exclusive to the sims 4 of dicing up former EP content and selling it as individual slices rather than just letting you buy the meal as an example.

If it’s a question of quality vs quantity I choose quality every time. I’ve been a Simmer for eighteen years and I would rather the series goes out on a high note than just becomes a shadow of its former self and all about milking it to the end. To be fair I feel that way about all the games I play. I would rather the game hypothetically ended tomorrow then left a bad legacy behind.

Well I actually like the gps better than most of the eps because they go deeper into the subject instead of just lightly cover 3 or more subjects. Is my point. I mean GTW could have used a lot of indepth work added to retail side of that game - I don't think anyone could have denied that. But you are entitled to like what you like as well. I don't have a problem with that either. I am just glad I finally enjoy Sims 4 and now that I enjoy it - I like the idea it may last longer.

(ETA - Just to add - I suppose I didn't NEED all that content - but I sure as heck enjoy it when I play Sims 3 - and that's the point. I buy what I like and The Sims games are one thing I spend money on. The only other thing I spend money on is my pc - other wise I don't spend much money at all.)

"JoAnne65;c-16310741" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16310716" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

You know something I own the entire Sims 3 store - bought most of it the day the store content came out. Money seems to be your issue - not mine. I like a game or content I buy the game and content. Not my issue. Don't care what you think - if it is worth it to me - I buy it.

You know what I would have issue with - is if the game didn't keep producing content. If it was up to me Sims 4 would have had a Sims 4 store as well - and most likely I'd bought all of that content also.

Did the same thing in Sims 2. The value of the a dollar for Sims stuff compared to any other form of entertainment out there - to me it is worth it. Seeing I am still also playing those games as well. It's in the eye of the beholder. You want to call it a money grab - well don't buy it. What can I say. That's totally on you - not me. Not my problem.

The formula has worked for 18 years and still rules and keeps the Sims still doing as well as it ever did. So obviously many people agree - we will keep on playing and keep on buying maybe the same way for another 18 years. Let us hope so anyway. Can't help the fact you cannot wrap your head around the idea.

If you bought all Store content the day it was released you obviously indeed didn’t have a money issue. Me however have never been able to afford that, nor needed it for that matter. I don’t think the point is what we can afford or are willing to spend on the game here. Those ‘in depth’ GP’s just offer content that used to be in one EP in the past. Like I stated in another topic: this GP will cost half of what WA cost, but it won’t contain half of what WA delivered. Not by a long shot.

It's too soon to say that. If the rumors are true that there is a dungeon that is randomly generated and loaded, and different every time, then that is already better than the finite dungeons of World Adventures. Especially if we can still build them ourselves.

"@JoAnne65;c-16310741" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16310716" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

You know something I own the entire Sims 3 store - bought most of it the day the store content came out. Money seems to be your issue - not mine. I like a game or content I buy the game and content. Not my issue. Don't care what you think - if it is worth it to me - I buy it.

You know what I would have issue with - is if the game didn't keep producing content. If it was up to me Sims 4 would have had a Sims 4 store as well - and most likely I'd bought all of that content also.

Did the same thing in Sims 2. The value of the a dollar for Sims stuff compared to any other form of entertainment out there - to me it is worth it. Seeing I am still also playing those games as well. It's in the eye of the beholder. You want to call it a money grab - well don't buy it. What can I say. That's totally on you - not me. Not my problem.

The formula has worked for 18 years and still rules and keeps the Sims still doing as well as it ever did. So obviously many people agree - we will keep on playing and keep on buying maybe the same way for another 18 years. Let us hope so anyway. Can't help the fact you cannot wrap your head around the idea.

If you bought all Store content the day it was released you obviously indeed didn’t have a money issue. Me however have never been able to afford that, nor needed it for that matter. I don’t think the point is what we can afford or are willing to spend on the game here. Those ‘in depth’ GP’s just offer content that used to be in one EP in the past. Like I stated in another topic: this GP will cost half of what WA cost, but it won’t contain half of what WA delivered. Not by a long shot.

I reckon it could. Each world in World Adventures was just a clone of each other with a different appearance. Each world had tombs that behaved identitcal to each other no matter what the world.
The only difference gameplay wise was Nectar Making, Martial Arts and the Mummy life state.

I do think if they worked within the budget and trimmed the unessary fat (aka 3 worlds that offered the same gameplay), they can do it.

What was so good about Bon Voyage, was each vacation world offered a whole new experience.

WA didn’t really do that, and that’s why people either loved it or hated it.

They seem to be playing it safe by also offering content that was popular with BA while mixing it with WA.

But if we get another Vacation GP, I hope they don’t clone this with slightly different tombs. Give us a whole new experience!

"Writin_Reg;c-16310859" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16310741" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16310716" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

You know something I own the entire Sims 3 store - bought most of it the day the store content came out. Money seems to be your issue - not mine. I like a game or content I buy the game and content. Not my issue. Don't care what you think - if it is worth it to me - I buy it.

You know what I would have issue with - is if the game didn't keep producing content. If it was up to me Sims 4 would have had a Sims 4 store as well - and most likely I'd bought all of that content also.

Did the same thing in Sims 2. The value of the a dollar for Sims stuff compared to any other form of entertainment out there - to me it is worth it. Seeing I am still also playing those games as well. It's in the eye of the beholder. You want to call it a money grab - well don't buy it. What can I say. That's totally on you - not me. Not my problem.

The formula has worked for 18 years and still rules and keeps the Sims still doing as well as it ever did. So obviously many people agree - we will keep on playing and keep on buying maybe the same way for another 18 years. Let us hope so anyway. Can't help the fact you cannot wrap your head around the idea.

If you bought all Store content the day it was released you obviously indeed didn’t have a money issue. Me however have never been able to afford that, nor needed it for that matter. I don’t think the point is what we can afford or are willing to spend on the game here. Those ‘in depth’ GP’s just offer content that used to be in one EP in the past. Like I stated in another topic: this GP will cost half of what WA cost, but it won’t contain half of what WA delivered. Not by a long shot.

Well I actually like the gps better than most of the eps because they go deeper into the subject instead of just lightly cover 3 or more subjects. Is my point. I mean GTW could have used a lot of indepth work added to retail side of that game - I don't think anyone could have denied that. But you are entitled to like what you like as well. I don't have a problem with that either. I am just glad I finally enjoy Sims 4 and now that I enjoy it - I like the idea it may last longer.

(ETA - Just to add - I suppose I didn't NEED all that content - but I sure as heck enjoy it when I play Sims 3 - and that's the point. I buy what I like and The Sims games are one thing I spend money on. The only other thing I spend money on is my pc - other wise I don't spend much money at all.)

Most of what the Store had was wallpaper, stuff (except for the Premium stuff but most of the Premium stuff is pretty shallow). Mind you, I’m very happy with a lot of that wallpaper, but my game wouldn’t play any different if I’d have to choose a different hair style or dress for my sim. I agree with you Sims ‘s GP’s seem to be better and go deeper than its EP’s. I wasn’t comparing GP’s to Sims 4’s EP’s though ;)

I’m by no means not granting you your own opinion about this by the way, but I must confess you sounded as if you yourself are having trouble granting AuzzPanda their opinion? (‘Money seems to be your issue, not mine’ - possibly, yes? - ‘well don’t buy it, that’s totally on you’ - not the point? - ‘What can I say. That's totally on you - not me. Not my problem‘ - dismissive - ‘Can't help the fact you cannot wrap your head around the idea’ - they don’t ask you to help, they’re just sharing their opinion?)

"Zeldaboy180;c-16310932" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16310741" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16310716" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

You know something I own the entire Sims 3 store - bought most of it the day the store content came out. Money seems to be your issue - not mine. I like a game or content I buy the game and content. Not my issue. Don't care what you think - if it is worth it to me - I buy it.

You know what I would have issue with - is if the game didn't keep producing content. If it was up to me Sims 4 would have had a Sims 4 store as well - and most likely I'd bought all of that content also.

Did the same thing in Sims 2. The value of the a dollar for Sims stuff compared to any other form of entertainment out there - to me it is worth it. Seeing I am still also playing those games as well. It's in the eye of the beholder. You want to call it a money grab - well don't buy it. What can I say. That's totally on you - not me. Not my problem.

The formula has worked for 18 years and still rules and keeps the Sims still doing as well as it ever did. So obviously many people agree - we will keep on playing and keep on buying maybe the same way for another 18 years. Let us hope so anyway. Can't help the fact you cannot wrap your head around the idea.

If you bought all Store content the day it was released you obviously indeed didn’t have a money issue. Me however have never been able to afford that, nor needed it for that matter. I don’t think the point is what we can afford or are willing to spend on the game here. Those ‘in depth’ GP’s just offer content that used to be in one EP in the past. Like I stated in another topic: this GP will cost half of what WA cost, but it won’t contain half of what WA delivered. Not by a long shot.

It's too soon to say that. If the rumors are true that there is a dungeon that is randomly generated and loaded, and different every time, then that is already better than the finite dungeons of World Adventures. Especially if we can still build them ourselves.

True, time will tell. We’ll get back to that then ;) There is one dungeon (WA has 25 that, unlike what @jackjack_k states, aren’t clones; besides, who says the resetted dungeons won’t be clones in that respect, having the same kind of gameplay?) So unless that dungeon has 25 very different scenarios that will take your sims days to explore and totally different looks and atmospheres, we can compare. And it would be amazing if we can build them ourselves (like we can in Sims 3 so we can create as many dungeons for that game as we like), but if that’s the case I will be pleasantly surprised.

And that’s dungeons, there is much more to WA, like those huge and amazing worlds that aren’t clones either (like the event in my signature, that’s strictly Al Simhara). And indeed the nectar making and the martial arts. WA happens to be the most in depth and biggest one of them all.

I’ve only been to Twikii Island by the way. A hotel, a restaurant, a beach and ruins. How were the other worlds different?

"LeGardePourpre;c-16310116" wrote:
I don't think since EA had told the community grew each quarter.


FY17 Q4 +33% compared to FY16 Q4

FY18 Q1 +20% compared to FY17 Q1
FY18 Q2 +40% compared to FY17 Q2
FY18 Q3 +35% compared to FY17 Q3


The Sims 4 is enough popular in order to be maintained several years.

That is overall performance across all games. Their sports games are their number one seller along with their mtx. The sims 4 is a very small percentage of that. The only reason it's still a game is there is no competition for it along with the fact that they sell you more game play in small slices that allow them to keep making money off the game. That is almost a requirement for all games under the EA umbrella. Good luck finding a game under EA that can't be heavily monetized in one way or another. If there ever was another game like the sims made by another dev I'm willing to bet you would either see significant changes to the sims franchise or it would be shelved like they did with the Mass Effect franchise.

"TeoDoesSims;c-16310379" wrote:
Hello everyone. I didn't expect so many replies.

Okay. I should explain myself: I got pretty paranoid since a lot of articles about "Sims 4 ending" and "Sims 5 coming in 2019" are everywhere on the internet now, and I had no idea that the devs said that it won't end. Sorry for triggering so many people lol. Didn't mean to do that! But just because some people don't know as much as you, it doesn't mean you have to judge them. Thank you.

Welcome to the internet. Lots of armchair annalists and developers out there, like me..lol Frankly I tend to be suspicious of anything on the internet unless it's from a source I trust. I have a relative who has been a software engineer in the gaming industry for 16+ yrs and I have learned that you have to take everything you hear from corporate figureheads with a grain of salt. They don't necessarily lie, but they will almost always paint a bright cheery picture. It's not usually what is said, but what isn't.

Like I said earlier, I wouldn't worry about what you read, I don't think they are done yet.