Sims 4's development is ending?

"somethingstellar;c-16305539" wrote:
Why is it when staff blink people think a new pack is coming out yet the statement staff made about the schedule and service being completely different this time just cant get through peoples skulls?
There. Is. No. Schedule.
Sims. 4. Has. No. Schedule.
Sims. 4. Is. Not. Ending. Any. Time. Soon.

Amen.

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"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

You know something I own the entire Sims 3 store - bought most of it the day the store content came out. Money seems to be your issue - not mine. I like a game or content I buy the game and content. Not my issue. Don't care what you think - if it is worth it to me - I buy it.

You know what I would have issue with - is if the game didn't keep producing content. If it was up to me Sims 4 would have had a Sims 4 store as well - and most likely I'd bought all of that content also.

Did the same thing in Sims 2. The value of the a dollar for Sims stuff compared to any other form of entertainment out there - to me it is worth it. Seeing I am still also playing those games as well. It's in the eye of the beholder. You want to call it a money grab - well don't buy it. What can I say. That's totally on you - not me. Not my problem.

The formula has worked for 18 years and still rules and keeps the Sims still doing as well as it ever did. So obviously many people agree - we will keep on playing and keep on buying maybe the same way for another 18 years. Let us hope so anyway. Can't help the fact you cannot wrap your head around the idea.

If you bought all Store content the day it was released you obviously indeed didn’t have a money issue. Me however have never been able to afford that, nor needed it for that matter. I don’t think the point is what we can afford or are willing to spend on the game here. Those ‘in depth’ GP’s just offer content that used to be in one EP in the past. Like I stated in another topic: this GP will cost half of what WA cost, but it won’t contain half of what WA delivered. Not by a long shot.

It's too soon to say that. If the rumors are true that there is a dungeon that is randomly generated and loaded, and different every time, then that is already better than the finite dungeons of World Adventures. Especially if we can still build them ourselves.

True, time will tell. We’ll get back to that then ;) There is one dungeon (WA has 25 that, unlike what @jackjack_k states, aren’t clones; besides, who says the resetted dungeons won’t be clones in that respect, having the same kind of gameplay?) So unless that dungeon has 25 very different scenarios that will take your sims days to explore and totally different looks and atmospheres, we can compare. And it would be amazing if we can build them ourselves (like we can in Sims 3 so we can create as many dungeons for that game as we like), but if that’s the case I will be pleasantly surprised.

And that’s dungeons, there is much more to WA, like those huge and amazing worlds that aren’t clones either (like the event in my signature, that’s strictly Al Simhara). And indeed the nectar making and the martial arts. WA happens to be the most in depth and biggest one of them all.

I’ve only been to Twikii Island by the way. A hotel, a restaurant, a beach and ruins. How were the other worlds different?

I never said the tombs were clones. I said the gameplay surrounding the world was cloned, it’s basically the same gameplay copied 3 times over with slight differences. Each world has the same community lot functions (thanks to the registers), the same gameplay (tombs) etc.

The only thing that was different was how Sims were dressed and how the world was decorated. Even some of the adventure scripting would duplicate world to world. A Sim in Egypt could send you on the exact same mission as a Sim in China sent you on (eg. Collect 3 platinum)

In Bon Voyage, Three Lakes was a mountain rage camping world, where you could hunt for Bigfoot, go camping, sit round the fireplace, go fishing etc and experience a unique kind of vacation there.

Travel to Twikii Island, and it’s a Hotel resort with beaches and tropical gameplay, and it’s just a completely different experience.

Imagine if WA came with Egypt with tombs, and then Isla Paradiso for tropical gameplay and then Granite Falls for a camping getaway (although obviously on a smaller scale).

It was still different gameplay.



But the question you asked is if this game Pack could offer half the content of WA.

And it’s entirely possible. If they trim the fat (eg having multiple locations offering the same gameplay) and focus the budget in offering the gameplay, there’s no reason why they can’t fit half of WA or more into this.

WA was an adventure pack, not a holiday pack. In China you can practice martial arts and challenge other sims (have competitions), in France you can collect grapes and learn how to make nectar, in Egypt you can learn to charm a snake and when you get cursed by a mummy you can plead to the sphinx to be cured. Not possible in the other worlds. What the three worlds do have in common is that they are tomb based, but that’s because that’s the theme of the pack. Vacation was handled in IP.

Apart from this: you’re comparing a TS2 EP to a TS3 EP. My point was that the EP’s of the old games are much richer than the TS4 GP’s. So if anything you are confirming my point (and inspiring me to open my Sims 2 game again by the way ;)).

WA was one of the richest EPs ever made. It had three exploreable worlds which where all open and with different themes. It was a very daring move for the times. I don't know if the first TS4 EP even had a new world with it. There was a lot of criticism at the time over the lack of residential lots. hat might have been amended over the past couple of years but without a doubt TS3 EPs where richer.

I mean at least when we got elevators our Sims could get stuck in them and not morph into them. And we could edit our apartments of course!

3 worlds that all function and don’t provide any unique gameplay, isn’t a rich experience.

3 worlds that provide unique experiences and get built into one Vacation system is a unique experience, which is what Bon Voyage did.

There was nothing daring about it. The open world system was already there. They just gave each world a theme but functionality was the same for all 3.

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And I feel like you’re just bringing up random information now. I mean, I could bring up the fact that you can’t run a business in The Sims 3, and nearly every rabbit hole in The Sims 3 is an actual venue in The Sims 4 that you can see inside, actually go inside and build yourself rather than have buildings that are basically objects.

But what’s that got to do with the topic?

You cannot do Kung Fu in Egypt though?

You can only buy certain gameplay objects in each world. You can't do kung fu on Al Simhara unless you buy the board and the fighting dummy thing-a-ma-bob in Shang Simla. Same goes for the cameras and nectar making. You can however buy tents, incense, shower in a can and other small gameplay objects from the vendors. There are also unique nectar bottles that you can only get from France I believe. Plus each world has their own set of recipientes and lullaby. There might also be exclusive scarabs and stuff on each world same for metals but I think you can place spawners for them in edit town though I'm not sure.

There's also the lucky cookie thing machine that you can only buy in Shang Simla. However if you have Ambitions sometimes one shows up in the junkyards but you have to pay to get it repaired.

"jackjack_k;c-16311502" wrote:

"@MidnightAura;c-16310822" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

I agree. Once the new GP drops the game and all dlc will be over £400. More expensive than any of the predecessors. ( I worked it out)

That’s doesn’t seem right at all.
The Sims 4 is still the cheapest out of all the games excluding the original.

If you want to ignore The Sims 2 store (which to have everything cost over $1200+) and The Sims 3 Store (which is over several thousand dollars) and The Sims 3 world Packs (which cost anywhere between $20 and $50) then you’d have to ignore The Sims 4’s Stuff Packs and Game Packs.

Stuff Packs replaces the store sets, and SimGuruDaniel confirmed that World Packs wouldn’t be coming to because they introduced Game Packs.

Just because The Sims 2 & 3 stores weren’t “packs” doesn’t mean they don’t count as the total cost of the game.

I’m only adding up what my games cost me. All my sims 2s collection cost me a little over £300. Not including the store as I didn’t buy from that. I can’t remeber the exact figure. But stuff packs were £9.99 and EPs were 19.99 I actually still have my boxes with the prices on as I’m a hoarder of all my sims games even though most use digital :smile:

My sims 3 expansions cost £24.99 and my stuff packs cost me 12.99 at time of release. Again I have my boxes to hand. Some of my boxes say 9.99 but they were bought shortly after release. I have store content but I haven’t paid for a single penny of it because I got points for redeeming my expansions and I watched a ton of ads and got lots of free points that way. I only started that within the last year. I paid for one world (Roaring Heights), was gifted Barnacle Bay and the Dragon valley with a EA voucher and the rest I got with my points and two people generously gifted me two for free.

I know the store is crazy expensive, hence why I wouldn’t have used it at the time of release and I’ll never own all the strore as I refuse to pay for it. I have a little over 7GB and I’m happy. But more importantly the store in 2 and 3 is not essential to my game I can still have fun without it, I feel the sims 4 with only EPs is very lacking and the current method of slicing dlc into little parts is a cash grab the way the store was. But a player can enjoy the sims 3 without the store, I know I did for years for both versions. I didn’t even know there was a sims 2 store until last year. My games weren’t lacking for it. A sims 4 game with no stuff packs or game packs is a very empty game indeed. I get it’s replaced the store but the difference for me is the store wasn’t a necessity in the past, the games were still fleshed out and had lots of activities (with the exception of toddler stuff in the sims 3) my games had lots to do.
Whereas in 4 stuff packs are essential for gsme play as the game is thin without them. Want to go bowling? £9.99 please! Ditto do the laundry, ditto getting the rock wall or the ball pit and getting more clothes for your toddlers if you don’t want to use cc. If you want a restaurant it’s behind a £14.99 pay wall, If you want more things for kids to do like puppet theatres you pay 9.99 for the honour, same if you want more realistic children and teens you pay for parenthood. Without those packs the game feels very empty. Amd I appreciate not everyone feels that way but it’s how I feel and a few others I know feel. I envy those who can enjoy this game.

The only thing I got from the store that my game sorely needed was the toddler set. The rest is a lovely to have but I can play my game without my store content. I wouldn’t play the sims 4 with only Expansions. And as said not everyone paid money for their store content. One was a luxury and one is an expensive neccesity.


With the price increase expansions are the most expensive they have ever been.

When I added it all up the sims 4 is not the cheapest when I compare what I paid for my previous games. But for arguments sake if you buy the sims 4 right now your costs are:

Stuff packs right now 9.99 x13 = £129.87
Game packs 6 (including the jungle one) 17.99 x 6 =107.94
Expansions 34.99 x4 = 139.96

Base game standard editon 34.99
Digital deluxe 44.99

Total= £412.76 if buying digital deluxe game, £422.76

If you bought the sims 3 now in origin it’s slightly more at just under £450 but I can’t speak for the costs on steam and I know steam have it on sale quite frequently, one thing is for sure though, the sims 4 will be more expensive when it releases another EP. As it’s not finished it will be the most expensive game of them all by the time it’s done.

It sounds like the articles that the OP read are purely speculative. Sure, they could turn out to be right or they could be wrong but right now, they aren't based on anything that has been confirmed.

Sure, all things eventually come to an end in this world. We can't switch our aging off like Sims can. At some point, TS4 will end. It could be next year or in 2020 or some other time stretching after.

I know that I would be more understanding of it if the change happens with a shift in technology. I'm also not going to commit to buying a product that I know nothing about. I focus on TS4 today because it is what I currently play. I also don't blame people who are still very attached TS3 and who still play it. I think that's great that it still has a loyal following. I've said this before but I'm probably not going to jump immediately for TS5 if I do at all. My opinion could change when I see a real product, but I think a lot of people are being unrealistic in terms of expectations.

I'm thinking of requests like, "I want everything included in the base game." Do you want to pay a lot more for that? Mostly, the answer is no.

At the end of the day, this is a game with a global reach and a long legacy. We also live in a world where there are a lot of "freemium" knock offs. Want to run your own cafe on Facebook and pay some cash every time you want new objects or to advance? That's what the competition is doing. I don't play those games, personally, and I prefer TS's approach. I feel less nickel-and-dimed by them than I would be by those games and yet, I know some people who love those and who sink a lot of hours into those. My point is that there is a big market out there, but that it is varied and it does change. Various players want different things and it is difficult to please all of them, all of the time.

My guess is that TS's social media campaign has been successful in drawing more players into the game. I know that's what brought me back in when I did. I think a lot of the game's players are following it in that way. I will say that I don't understand deeply complaining about products that someone can choose not to buy. I understand that some people want to make it known that they would like to see certain features in a new game, but the reality is that there are always going to be complaints with this kind of subject.

Anyway, all of this is just speculation at this stage.

"MidnightAura;c-16311620" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16311502" wrote:

"@MidnightAura;c-16310822" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

I agree. Once the new GP drops the game and all dlc will be over £400. More expensive than any of the predecessors. ( I worked it out)

That’s doesn’t seem right at all.
The Sims 4 is still the cheapest out of all the games excluding the original.

If you want to ignore The Sims 2 store (which to have everything cost over $1200+) and The Sims 3 Store (which is over several thousand dollars) and The Sims 3 world Packs (which cost anywhere between $20 and $50) then you’d have to ignore The Sims 4’s Stuff Packs and Game Packs.

Stuff Packs replaces the store sets, and SimGuruDaniel confirmed that World Packs wouldn’t be coming to because they introduced Game Packs.

Just because The Sims 2 & 3 stores weren’t “packs” doesn’t mean they don’t count as the total cost of the game.

I’m only adding up what my games cost me. All my sims 2s collection cost me a little over £300. Not including the store as I didn’t buy from that. I can’t remeber the exact figure. But stuff packs were £9.99 and EPs were 19.99 I actually still have my boxes with the prices on as I’m a hoarder of all my sims games even though most use digital :smile:

My sims 3 expansions cost £24.99 and my stuff packs cost me 12.99 at time of release. Again I have my boxes to hand. Some of my boxes say 9.99 but they were bought shortly after release. I have store content but I haven’t paid for a single penny of it because I got points for redeeming my expansions and I watched a ton of ads and got lots of free points that way. I only started that within the last year. I paid for one world (Roaring Heights), was gifted Barnacle Bay and the Dragon valley with a EA voucher and the rest I got with my points and two people generously gifted me two for free.

I know the store is crazy expensive, hence why I wouldn’t have used it at the time of release and I’ll never own all the strore as I refuse to pay for it. I have a little over 7GB and I’m happy. But more importantly the store in 2 and 3 is not essential to my game I can still have fun without it, I feel the sims 4 with only EPs is very lacking and the current method of slicing dlc into little parts is a cash grab the way the store was. But a player can enjoy the sims 3 without the store, I know I did for years for both versions. I didn’t even know there was a sims 2 store until last year. My games weren’t lacking for it. A sims 4 game with no stuff packs or game packs is a very empty game indeed. I get it’s replaced the store but the difference for me is the store wasn’t a necessity in the past, the games were still fleshed out and had lots of activities (with the exception of toddler stuff in the sims 3) my games had lots to do.
Whereas in 4 stuff packs are essential for gsme play as the game is thin without them. Want to go bowling? £9.99 please! Ditto do the laundry, ditto getting the rock wall or the ball pit and getting more clothes for your toddlers if you don’t want to use cc. If you want a restaurant it’s behind a £14.99 pay wall, If you want more things for kids to do like puppet theatres you pay 9.99 for the honour, same if you want more realistic children and teens you pay for parenthood. Without those packs the game feels very empty. Amd I appreciate not everyone feels that way but it’s how I feel and a few others I know feel. I envy those who can enjoy this game.

The only thing I got from the store that my game sorely needed was the toddler set. The rest is a lovely to have but I can play my game without my store content. I wouldn’t play the sims 4 with only Expansions. And as said not everyone paid money for their store content. One was a luxury and one is an expensive neccesity.


With the price increase expansions are the most expensive they have ever been.

When I added it all up the sims 4 is not the cheapest when I compare what I paid for my previous games. But for arguments sake if you buy the sims 4 right now your costs are:

Stuff packs right now 9.99 x13 = £129.87
Game packs 6 (including the jungle one) 17.99 x 6 =107.94
Expansions 34.99 x4 = 139.96

Base game standard editon 34.99
Digital deluxe 44.99

Total= £412.76 if buying digital deluxe game, £422.76

If you bought the sims 3 now in origin it’s slightly more at just under £450 but I can’t speak for the costs on steam and I know steam have it on sale quite frequently, one thing is for sure though, the sims 4 will be more expensive when it releases another EP. As it’s not finished it will be the most expensive game of them all by the time it’s done.

About Sims 2. I liked that game but never actually played it that much. To me it was a bit boring. I liked creating my own stuff with the bodyshop but spent less time actually playing. Sims 3 was better for gameplay and also for creativity but it had lot of bugs. Sims 2 expansions are good but they are not necessarily any more full of content than EPs for Sims 4. I had to use lot of CC for Sims 2. It had only 4 base skincolors and 5 eye colors. Sims 4 had 12 skincolors, eyes and haircolors in the basegame. I dont see how it has less when you do some counting. Maybe it just feels like more because it was so new and exiting back then.

"Jadeleine;c-16311654" wrote:

"MidnightAura;c-16311620" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16311502" wrote:

"@MidnightAura;c-16310822" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

I agree. Once the new GP drops the game and all dlc will be over £400. More expensive than any of the predecessors. ( I worked it out)

That’s doesn’t seem right at all.
The Sims 4 is still the cheapest out of all the games excluding the original.

If you want to ignore The Sims 2 store (which to have everything cost over $1200+) and The Sims 3 Store (which is over several thousand dollars) and The Sims 3 world Packs (which cost anywhere between $20 and $50) then you’d have to ignore The Sims 4’s Stuff Packs and Game Packs.

Stuff Packs replaces the store sets, and SimGuruDaniel confirmed that World Packs wouldn’t be coming to because they introduced Game Packs.

Just because The Sims 2 & 3 stores weren’t “packs” doesn’t mean they don’t count as the total cost of the game.

I’m only adding up what my games cost me. All my sims 2s collection cost me a little over £300. Not including the store as I didn’t buy from that. I can’t remeber the exact figure. But stuff packs were £9.99 and EPs were 19.99 I actually still have my boxes with the prices on as I’m a hoarder of all my sims games even though most use digital :smile:

My sims 3 expansions cost £24.99 and my stuff packs cost me 12.99 at time of release. Again I have my boxes to hand. Some of my boxes say 9.99 but they were bought shortly after release. I have store content but I haven’t paid for a single penny of it because I got points for redeeming my expansions and I watched a ton of ads and got lots of free points that way. I only started that within the last year. I paid for one world (Roaring Heights), was gifted Barnacle Bay and the Dragon valley with a EA voucher and the rest I got with my points and two people generously gifted me two for free.

I know the store is crazy expensive, hence why I wouldn’t have used it at the time of release and I’ll never own all the strore as I refuse to pay for it. I have a little over 7GB and I’m happy. But more importantly the store in 2 and 3 is not essential to my game I can still have fun without it, I feel the sims 4 with only EPs is very lacking and the current method of slicing dlc into little parts is a cash grab the way the store was. But a player can enjoy the sims 3 without the store, I know I did for years for both versions. I didn’t even know there was a sims 2 store until last year. My games weren’t lacking for it. A sims 4 game with no stuff packs or game packs is a very empty game indeed. I get it’s replaced the store but the difference for me is the store wasn’t a necessity in the past, the games were still fleshed out and had lots of activities (with the exception of toddler stuff in the sims 3) my games had lots to do.
Whereas in 4 stuff packs are essential for gsme play as the game is thin without them. Want to go bowling? £9.99 please! Ditto do the laundry, ditto getting the rock wall or the ball pit and getting more clothes for your toddlers if you don’t want to use cc. If you want a restaurant it’s behind a £14.99 pay wall, If you want more things for kids to do like puppet theatres you pay 9.99 for the honour, same if you want more realistic children and teens you pay for parenthood. Without those packs the game feels very empty. Amd I appreciate not everyone feels that way but it’s how I feel and a few others I know feel. I envy those who can enjoy this game.

The only thing I got from the store that my game sorely needed was the toddler set. The rest is a lovely to have but I can play my game without my store content. I wouldn’t play the sims 4 with only Expansions. And as said not everyone paid money for their store content. One was a luxury and one is an expensive neccesity.


With the price increase expansions are the most expensive they have ever been.

When I added it all up the sims 4 is not the cheapest when I compare what I paid for my previous games. But for arguments sake if you buy the sims 4 right now your costs are:

Stuff packs right now 9.99 x13 = £129.87
Game packs 6 (including the jungle one) 17.99 x 6 =107.94
Expansions 34.99 x4 = 139.96

Base game standard editon 34.99
Digital deluxe 44.99

Total= £412.76 if buying digital deluxe game, £422.76

If you bought the sims 3 now in origin it’s slightly more at just under £450 but I can’t speak for the costs on steam and I know steam have it on sale quite frequently, one thing is for sure though, the sims 4 will be more expensive when it releases another EP. As it’s not finished it will be the most expensive game of them all by the time it’s done.

About Sims 2. I liked that game but never actually played it that much. To me it was a bit boring. I liked creating my own stuff with the bodyshop but spent less time actually playing. Sims 3 was better for gameplay and also for creativity but it had lot of bugs. Sims 2 expansions are good but they are not necessarily any more full of content than EPs for Sims 4. I had to use lot of CC for Sims 2. It had only 4 base skincolors and 5 eye colors. Sims 4 had 12 skincolors, eyes and haircolors in the basegame. I dont see how it has less when you do some counting. Maybe it just feels like more because it was so new and exiting back then.

I respectfully disagree that a sims 2 expansion has the same amount as sims 4. I can’t comment in body shop as I’ve Never used it. Tried it but found it confusing. If you enjoy making sims I can see why you would enjoy 4.

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"Jadeleine;c-16311654" wrote:

"MidnightAura;c-16311620" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16311502" wrote:

"@MidnightAura;c-16310822" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

I agree. Once the new GP drops the game and all dlc will be over £400. More expensive than any of the predecessors. ( I worked it out)

That’s doesn’t seem right at all.
The Sims 4 is still the cheapest out of all the games excluding the original.

If you want to ignore The Sims 2 store (which to have everything cost over $1200+) and The Sims 3 Store (which is over several thousand dollars) and The Sims 3 world Packs (which cost anywhere between $20 and $50) then you’d have to ignore The Sims 4’s Stuff Packs and Game Packs.

Stuff Packs replaces the store sets, and SimGuruDaniel confirmed that World Packs wouldn’t be coming to because they introduced Game Packs.

Just because The Sims 2 & 3 stores weren’t “packs” doesn’t mean they don’t count as the total cost of the game.

I’m only adding up what my games cost me. All my sims 2s collection cost me a little over £300. Not including the store as I didn’t buy from that. I can’t remeber the exact figure. But stuff packs were £9.99 and EPs were 19.99 I actually still have my boxes with the prices on as I’m a hoarder of all my sims games even though most use digital :smile:

My sims 3 expansions cost £24.99 and my stuff packs cost me 12.99 at time of release. Again I have my boxes to hand. Some of my boxes say 9.99 but they were bought shortly after release. I have store content but I haven’t paid for a single penny of it because I got points for redeeming my expansions and I watched a ton of ads and got lots of free points that way. I only started that within the last year. I paid for one world (Roaring Heights), was gifted Barnacle Bay and the Dragon valley with a EA voucher and the rest I got with my points and two people generously gifted me two for free.

I know the store is crazy expensive, hence why I wouldn’t have used it at the time of release and I’ll never own all the strore as I refuse to pay for it. I have a little over 7GB and I’m happy. But more importantly the store in 2 and 3 is not essential to my game I can still have fun without it, I feel the sims 4 with only EPs is very lacking and the current method of slicing dlc into little parts is a cash grab the way the store was. But a player can enjoy the sims 3 without the store, I know I did for years for both versions. I didn’t even know there was a sims 2 store until last year. My games weren’t lacking for it. A sims 4 game with no stuff packs or game packs is a very empty game indeed. I get it’s replaced the store but the difference for me is the store wasn’t a necessity in the past, the games were still fleshed out and had lots of activities (with the exception of toddler stuff in the sims 3) my games had lots to do.
Whereas in 4 stuff packs are essential for gsme play as the game is thin without them. Want to go bowling? £9.99 please! Ditto do the laundry, ditto getting the rock wall or the ball pit and getting more clothes for your toddlers if you don’t want to use cc. If you want a restaurant it’s behind a £14.99 pay wall, If you want more things for kids to do like puppet theatres you pay 9.99 for the honour, same if you want more realistic children and teens you pay for parenthood. Without those packs the game feels very empty. Amd I appreciate not everyone feels that way but it’s how I feel and a few others I know feel. I envy those who can enjoy this game.

The only thing I got from the store that my game sorely needed was the toddler set. The rest is a lovely to have but I can play my game without my store content. I wouldn’t play the sims 4 with only Expansions. And as said not everyone paid money for their store content. One was a luxury and one is an expensive neccesity.


With the price increase expansions are the most expensive they have ever been.

When I added it all up the sims 4 is not the cheapest when I compare what I paid for my previous games. But for arguments sake if you buy the sims 4 right now your costs are:

Stuff packs right now 9.99 x13 = £129.87
Game packs 6 (including the jungle one) 17.99 x 6 =107.94
Expansions 34.99 x4 = 139.96

Base game standard editon 34.99
Digital deluxe 44.99

Total= £412.76 if buying digital deluxe game, £422.76

If you bought the sims 3 now in origin it’s slightly more at just under £450 but I can’t speak for the costs on steam and I know steam have it on sale quite frequently, one thing is for sure though, the sims 4 will be more expensive when it releases another EP. As it’s not finished it will be the most expensive game of them all by the time it’s done.

About Sims 2. I liked that game but never actually played it that much. To me it was a bit boring. I liked creating my own stuff with the bodyshop but spent less time actually playing. Sims 3 was better for gameplay and also for creativity but it had lot of bugs. Sims 2 expansions are good but they are not necessarily any more full of content than EPs for Sims 4. I had to use lot of CC for Sims 2. It had only 4 base skincolors and 5 eye colors. Sims 4 had 12 skincolors, eyes and haircolors in the basegame. I dont see how it has less when you do some counting. Maybe it just feels like more because it was so new and exiting back then.

TS2 came out 2004. Of course it only had 4 base skin colors and 5 eye colors. TS4 came out in 2014. Duh.It's like comparing the iphone 2 to the iphone 7. TS4 should have more by definition.

But TS3 that came out 2009 and had the color wheel, so there's that.

"MidnightAura;c-16311666" wrote:

"Jadeleine;c-16311654" wrote:

"MidnightAura;c-16311620" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16311502" wrote:

"@MidnightAura;c-16310822" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

I agree. Once the new GP drops the game and all dlc will be over £400. More expensive than any of the predecessors. ( I worked it out)

That’s doesn’t seem right at all.
The Sims 4 is still the cheapest out of all the games excluding the original.

If you want to ignore The Sims 2 store (which to have everything cost over $1200+) and The Sims 3 Store (which is over several thousand dollars) and The Sims 3 world Packs (which cost anywhere between $20 and $50) then you’d have to ignore The Sims 4’s Stuff Packs and Game Packs.

Stuff Packs replaces the store sets, and SimGuruDaniel confirmed that World Packs wouldn’t be coming to because they introduced Game Packs.

Just because The Sims 2 & 3 stores weren’t “packs” doesn’t mean they don’t count as the total cost of the game.

I’m only adding up what my games cost me. All my sims 2s collection cost me a little over £300. Not including the store as I didn’t buy from that. I can’t remeber the exact figure. But stuff packs were £9.99 and EPs were 19.99 I actually still have my boxes with the prices on as I’m a hoarder of all my sims games even though most use digital :smile:

My sims 3 expansions cost £24.99 and my stuff packs cost me 12.99 at time of release. Again I have my boxes to hand. Some of my boxes say 9.99 but they were bought shortly after release. I have store content but I haven’t paid for a single penny of it because I got points for redeeming my expansions and I watched a ton of ads and got lots of free points that way. I only started that within the last year. I paid for one world (Roaring Heights), was gifted Barnacle Bay and the Dragon valley with a EA voucher and the rest I got with my points and two people generously gifted me two for free.

I know the store is crazy expensive, hence why I wouldn’t have used it at the time of release and I’ll never own all the strore as I refuse to pay for it. I have a little over 7GB and I’m happy. But more importantly the store in 2 and 3 is not essential to my game I can still have fun without it, I feel the sims 4 with only EPs is very lacking and the current method of slicing dlc into little parts is a cash grab the way the store was. But a player can enjoy the sims 3 without the store, I know I did for years for both versions. I didn’t even know there was a sims 2 store until last year. My games weren’t lacking for it. A sims 4 game with no stuff packs or game packs is a very empty game indeed. I get it’s replaced the store but the difference for me is the store wasn’t a necessity in the past, the games were still fleshed out and had lots of activities (with the exception of toddler stuff in the sims 3) my games had lots to do.
Whereas in 4 stuff packs are essential for gsme play as the game is thin without them. Want to go bowling? £9.99 please! Ditto do the laundry, ditto getting the rock wall or the ball pit and getting more clothes for your toddlers if you don’t want to use cc. If you want a restaurant it’s behind a £14.99 pay wall, If you want more things for kids to do like puppet theatres you pay 9.99 for the honour, same if you want more realistic children and teens you pay for parenthood. Without those packs the game feels very empty. Amd I appreciate not everyone feels that way but it’s how I feel and a few others I know feel. I envy those who can enjoy this game.

The only thing I got from the store that my game sorely needed was the toddler set. The rest is a lovely to have but I can play my game without my store content. I wouldn’t play the sims 4 with only Expansions. And as said not everyone paid money for their store content. One was a luxury and one is an expensive neccesity.


With the price increase expansions are the most expensive they have ever been.

When I added it all up the sims 4 is not the cheapest when I compare what I paid for my previous games. But for arguments sake if you buy the sims 4 right now your costs are:

Stuff packs right now 9.99 x13 = £129.87
Game packs 6 (including the jungle one) 17.99 x 6 =107.94
Expansions 34.99 x4 = 139.96

Base game standard editon 34.99
Digital deluxe 44.99

Total= £412.76 if buying digital deluxe game, £422.76

If you bought the sims 3 now in origin it’s slightly more at just under £450 but I can’t speak for the costs on steam and I know steam have it on sale quite frequently, one thing is for sure though, the sims 4 will be more expensive when it releases another EP. As it’s not finished it will be the most expensive game of them all by the time it’s done.

About Sims 2. I liked that game but never actually played it that much. To me it was a bit boring. I liked creating my own stuff with the bodyshop but spent less time actually playing. Sims 3 was better for gameplay and also for creativity but it had lot of bugs. Sims 2 expansions are good but they are not necessarily any more full of content than EPs for Sims 4. I had to use lot of CC for Sims 2. It had only 4 base skincolors and 5 eye colors. Sims 4 had 12 skincolors, eyes and haircolors in the basegame. I dont see how it has less when you do some counting. Maybe it just feels like more because it was so new and exiting back then.

I respectfully disagree that a sims 2 expansion has the same amount as sims 4. I can’t comment in body shop as I’ve Never used it. Tried it but found it confusing. If you enjoy making sims I can see why you would enjoy 4.

Yeah I get that but I just dont understand the facts about complainig base game having less things. I got Sims 2 installed, I still play it sometimes and I dont see how me liking sim creation has to do with content amounts. We are talking about values here. I play the Sims 4 not just create sims for it. I also build and decorate etc. My point was with Sims 4 I did not have to make more skincolors myself because the game already had them.

> @AuzzPanda said:
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> So, you want to waist another 200$ instead until it does? Wouldn't you rather an actual game, aka one that holds its own as a base game? Like all other games in the world?

The SIMS has never been that way. It is not like all other games. The base game has always been just that... a base. One of the things I love about the SIMS is the world that gets created through the EPs and other packs. The end result is so much larger than the beginning, and I love going on the journey.

My ONLY real complaint about SIMS 4 vs SIMS 3 is that 4 isn't an open world like 3 was. I'm not exactly sure why that changed, but I like watching my Sim get in their car and drive to the store, work, or ride a bicycle to class at their University.

"Jadeleine;c-16311691" wrote:

"MidnightAura;c-16311666" wrote:

"Jadeleine;c-16311654" wrote:

"MidnightAura;c-16311620" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16311502" wrote:

"@MidnightAura;c-16310822" wrote:

"AuzzPanda;c-16310626" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16300853" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

I agree. Once the new GP drops the game and all dlc will be over £400. More expensive than any of the predecessors. ( I worked it out)

That’s doesn’t seem right at all.
The Sims 4 is still the cheapest out of all the games excluding the original.

If you want to ignore The Sims 2 store (which to have everything cost over $1200+) and The Sims 3 Store (which is over several thousand dollars) and The Sims 3 world Packs (which cost anywhere between $20 and $50) then you’d have to ignore The Sims 4’s Stuff Packs and Game Packs.

Stuff Packs replaces the store sets, and SimGuruDaniel confirmed that World Packs wouldn’t be coming to because they introduced Game Packs.

Just because The Sims 2 & 3 stores weren’t “packs” doesn’t mean they don’t count as the total cost of the game.

I’m only adding up what my games cost me. All my sims 2s collection cost me a little over £300. Not including the store as I didn’t buy from that. I can’t remeber the exact figure. But stuff packs were £9.99 and EPs were 19.99 I actually still have my boxes with the prices on as I’m a hoarder of all my sims games even though most use digital :smile:

My sims 3 expansions cost £24.99 and my stuff packs cost me 12.99 at time of release. Again I have my boxes to hand. Some of my boxes say 9.99 but they were bought shortly after release. I have store content but I haven’t paid for a single penny of it because I got points for redeeming my expansions and I watched a ton of ads and got lots of free points that way. I only started that within the last year. I paid for one world (Roaring Heights), was gifted Barnacle Bay and the Dragon valley with a EA voucher and the rest I got with my points and two people generously gifted me two for free.

I know the store is crazy expensive, hence why I wouldn’t have used it at the time of release and I’ll never own all the strore as I refuse to pay for it. I have a little over 7GB and I’m happy. But more importantly the store in 2 and 3 is not essential to my game I can still have fun without it, I feel the sims 4 with only EPs is very lacking and the current method of slicing dlc into little parts is a cash grab the way the store was. But a player can enjoy the sims 3 without the store, I know I did for years for both versions. I didn’t even know there was a sims 2 store until last year. My games weren’t lacking for it. A sims 4 game with no stuff packs or game packs is a very empty game indeed. I get it’s replaced the store but the difference for me is the store wasn’t a necessity in the past, the games were still fleshed out and had lots of activities (with the exception of toddler stuff in the sims 3) my games had lots to do.
Whereas in 4 stuff packs are essential for gsme play as the game is thin without them. Want to go bowling? £9.99 please! Ditto do the laundry, ditto getting the rock wall or the ball pit and getting more clothes for your toddlers if you don’t want to use cc. If you want a restaurant it’s behind a £14.99 pay wall, If you want more things for kids to do like puppet theatres you pay 9.99 for the honour, same if you want more realistic children and teens you pay for parenthood. Without those packs the game feels very empty. Amd I appreciate not everyone feels that way but it’s how I feel and a few others I know feel. I envy those who can enjoy this game.

The only thing I got from the store that my game sorely needed was the toddler set. The rest is a lovely to have but I can play my game without my store content. I wouldn’t play the sims 4 with only Expansions. And as said not everyone paid money for their store content. One was a luxury and one is an expensive neccesity.


With the price increase expansions are the most expensive they have ever been.

When I added it all up the sims 4 is not the cheapest when I compare what I paid for my previous games. But for arguments sake if you buy the sims 4 right now your costs are:

Stuff packs right now 9.99 x13 = £129.87
Game packs 6 (including the jungle one) 17.99 x 6 =107.94
Expansions 34.99 x4 = 139.96

Base game standard editon 34.99
Digital deluxe 44.99

Total= £412.76 if buying digital deluxe game, £422.76

If you bought the sims 3 now in origin it’s slightly more at just under £450 but I can’t speak for the costs on steam and I know steam have it on sale quite frequently, one thing is for sure though, the sims 4 will be more expensive when it releases another EP. As it’s not finished it will be the most expensive game of them all by the time it’s done.

About Sims 2. I liked that game but never actually played it that much. To me it was a bit boring. I liked creating my own stuff with the bodyshop but spent less time actually playing. Sims 3 was better for gameplay and also for creativity but it had lot of bugs. Sims 2 expansions are good but they are not necessarily any more full of content than EPs for Sims 4. I had to use lot of CC for Sims 2. It had only 4 base skincolors and 5 eye colors. Sims 4 had 12 skincolors, eyes and haircolors in the basegame. I dont see how it has less when you do some counting. Maybe it just feels like more because it was so new and exiting back then.

I respectfully disagree that a sims 2 expansion has the same amount as sims 4. I can’t comment in body shop as I’ve Never used it. Tried it but found it confusing. If you enjoy making sims I can see why you would enjoy 4.

Yeah I get that but I just dont understand the facts about complainig base game having less things. I got Sims 2 installed, I still play it sometimes and I dont see how me liking sim creation has to do with content amounts. We are talking about values here. I play the Sims 4 not just create sims for it. I also build and decorate etc. My point was with Sims 4 I did not have to make more skincolors myself because the game already had them.

I’m not talking about the base game having less things. I never mentioned that. My post was about how much the games costs and the increasing cos of that and the fact that the sims stores previously while expensive if you paid for it but wasn’t essential as the sims 2 & 3 overall was a fuller experience that cost less when compairing SPs and EPs. Store excluded.

No one mentioned base game content until you mentioned it.