Sims Four Live Mode is Lacking

@ClarionOfJoy ' I liked sims 3 when it came, don't get me wrong but i think they just didn't add game play that i liked that sims 4 offers me. Like i love spas, massages, saunas, makeup table for doing actual makeup whit it, restaurants to order food i like, cafes, drink and eat the same time, eat popcorn and wach movie same way that in sims 4, calendar, decorate christmas tree, make you're own holidays and go shopping chothes.
those were couple thing i loved in sims, it remind me of sims 2. like open for business (sims 4 get to work), sims 2 bon voyage and camping ( out door retreat) for example.' i found more thing i have said i liked sims 4 in this convo.
I just talk things i like in sims 4 live mode what i was missing in sims 3. But what sims game is best sims game is everyone own option. So if i said why sims 4 game is better and things i didn't like in sims 3 u don't have to get mad. Its just my option. U can like sims 3 more. its fine. And FOR ME sims 4 have improved game play and i can't even play sims 3 anymore. its not about my imagination its just because i like sims 4 more for it's game play i said above. Everyone has their own options about the game. peace o:)

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"Charlotta11;c-16632184" wrote:
@ClarionOfJoy ' I liked sims 3 when it came, don't get me wrong but i think they just didn't add game play that i liked that sims 4 offers me. Like i love spas, massages, saunas, makeup table for doing actual makeup whit it, restaurants to order food i like, cafes, drink and eat the same time, eat popcorn and wach movie same way that in sims 4, calendar, decorate christmas tree, make you're own holidays and go shopping chothes.
those were couple thing i loved in sims, it remind me of sims 2. like open for business (sims 4 get to work), sims 2 bon voyage and camping ( out door retreat) for example.' oh i found more thing i have said i liked sims 4 in this convo. yepp.... never said things i liked in sims 4 :D
pls next time if u said something about me or for me. read my text and focus what i say before u say anything.

Sims 3 has saunas, massages, restaurants, cafes, shopping for clothes, they can go camping, you can also raise families in the game and play the normal daily life if you prefer that. For me it’s in fact the daily life in Sims 4 where I find it boring. It took vampires to make me interested in this game. Finally something to do.

"JoAnne65;c-16632228" wrote:
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"Charlotta11;c-16632184" wrote:
@ClarionOfJoy ' I liked sims 3 when it came, don't get me wrong but i think they just didn't add game play that i liked that sims 4 offers me. Like i love spas, massages, saunas, makeup table for doing actual makeup whit it, restaurants to order food i like, cafes, drink and eat the same time, eat popcorn and wach movie same way that in sims 4, calendar, decorate christmas tree, make you're own holidays and go shopping chothes.
those were couple thing i loved in sims, it remind me of sims 2. like open for business (sims 4 get to work), sims 2 bon voyage and camping ( out door retreat) for example.' oh i found more thing i have said i liked sims 4 in this convo. yepp.... never said things i liked in sims 4 :D
pls next time if u said something about me or for me. read my text and focus what i say before u say anything.

Sims 3 has saunas, massages, restaurants, cafes, shopping for clothes, they can go camping, you can also raise families in the game and play the normal daily life if you prefer that. For me it’s in fact the daily life in Sims 4 where I find it boring. It took vampires to make me interested in this game. Finally something to do.

yes. if u buy sims 3 store items. but not in those expansions. Or there are but they are rabbit holes. i like go and see inside those buildings.
Maybe i would get sims 3 playable for me whit a lot of store items but i don't really like invest my money for it anymore because its older game and i prefer sims 4 graphics more and art style of the sims. :)
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u said "For me it’s in fact the daily life in Sims 4 where I find it boring" i totally understand that some people find that boring but for me that isn't boring and that is why i didn't like sims 3 as much as sims 4. i think day to day life is more detailed and they focus just day to day life. Sims 3 in other hand have lot things to go, explore oceans, explore temples and going in to the future. u maybe get the point. I think there are 2 types of sims players. those who like to do missions (sims 3) and those who want to just do what they want and play day to day life and tell stories (sims 4)
for some sims 3 offer a lot of stuff and things to do but for me sims 4 offer more to do in daily life :) but i still agree that sims 4 need little something exiting and not to be too predictable story telling.

"Charlotta11;c-16632247" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16632228" wrote:
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"Charlotta11;c-16632184" wrote:
@ClarionOfJoy ' I liked sims 3 when it came, don't get me wrong but i think they just didn't add game play that i liked that sims 4 offers me. Like i love spas, massages, saunas, makeup table for doing actual makeup whit it, restaurants to order food i like, cafes, drink and eat the same time, eat popcorn and wach movie same way that in sims 4, calendar, decorate christmas tree, make you're own holidays and go shopping chothes.
those were couple thing i loved in sims, it remind me of sims 2. like open for business (sims 4 get to work), sims 2 bon voyage and camping ( out door retreat) for example.' oh i found more thing i have said i liked sims 4 in this convo. yepp.... never said things i liked in sims 4 :D
pls next time if u said something about me or for me. read my text and focus what i say before u say anything.

Sims 3 has saunas, massages, restaurants, cafes, shopping for clothes, they can go camping, you can also raise families in the game and play the normal daily life if you prefer that. For me it’s in fact the daily life in Sims 4 where I find it boring. It took vampires to make me interested in this game. Finally something to do.

yes. if u buy sims 3 store items. but not in those expansions. Or there are but they are rabbit holes. i like go and see inside those buildings.
Maybe i would get sims 3 playable for me whit a lot of store items but i don't really like invest my money for it anymore because its older game and i prefer sims 4 graphics more and art style of the sims. :)
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u said "For me it’s in fact the daily life in Sims 4 where I find it boring" i totally understand that some people find that boring but for me that isn't boring and that is why i didn't like sims 3 as much as sims 4. i think day to day life is more detailed and they focus just day to day life. Sims 3 in other hand have lot things to go, explore oceans, explore temples and going in to the future. u maybe get the point. I think there are 2 types of sims players. those who like to do missions (sims 3) and those who want to just do what they want and play day to day life and tell stories (sims 4)
for some sims 3 offer a lot of stuff and things to do but for me sims 4 offer more to do in daily life :) but i still agree that sims 4 need little something exiting and not to be too predictable story telling.

I don’t care how you can add gameplay to your game: EP’s, SP’s, GP’s, Store. It’s there and if you like it you can buy and get it (the things you listed are in my game, I often don’t even remember what pack or world or set it came with). I do agree with you Sims 3 is less detailed where it comes to daily family play than Sims 2, I noticed the difference right away when I started to play the Sims 2 UC and in retrospect I highly regret they sacrificed certain aspects in Sims 3 (didn’t know what I was missing out on before). I don’t quite see it in Sims 4 though... I find myself bumping into the issue of unexpainable emotion boosts in Sims 4, those are a real problem for me. Also with my vampire, who can get angry at times without any reason and the only way to get her out of it is putting her in front of a mirror and choose some interactions. I don’t get why she was angry in the first place (some aura I missed probably) and having to put her in front of that mirror takes me out of the game completely. In another save I have a toddler and I really love those in Sims 4. But all the animations take way way too long to hold my intention. They repeat and after awing them in the beginning (a lot of the animations are really cute and well done) I’ve seen them and I don’t have to see them over and over again. For some reason it’s not like that for me in Sims 2 and 3. My guess is because a lot of Sims 4’s gameplay is based on just that: watching and admiring pretty animations. I miss real reactions and I miss concequences and them remembering things.

I think the Sims 3 animation team and the ones responsible for the facial expressions are highly underestimated by the way on these forums (except in the TS3 section where they are celibrated in 100+ pages long topics). You also said the worlds in TS3 are boring, but one of the things that struck me when I played JA was the total lack of things to do in the jungle (which looks stunning by the way). Somehow there’s a lot more to do for me when I send my sim to Egypt and make her travel through it. Things to find, things to explore, sims to interact with she meets in the middle of nowhere. I play Animal Crossing and even in those tiny villages there is way more to discover and explore than in a Sims 4 neighborhood.

EA/Maxis wasn't born yesterday, they want us to feel that the game "is boring", so they can produce new expansion, game and stuff packs.

And the sad part is, with all Stuff, Game and Expansiuon packs, the game "feels" much funnier than in the beginning…

But I doubt there will be an Sims 5, the "genre" has died out...
Much like the VHS recorder and rotary Telephone...

I dislike building houses and creating sims, so I play almost exclusively in live mode. I'm also a rotational player. And yeah, I agree there are a lot of annoying things going on. I really dislike how sims will talk to their enemies the same way they talk to their friends. I roll my eyes when my sims keep grabbing water and trolling forums over and over again. Whims are way too general and I'd love for them to be more tied up with personalities, and the emotions often get too much in my face and all over the place. I miss the more long term goals and the fears from Sims 2, and I'd very much like if more things went wrong in their lives.

But I still love Sims 4. I loved Sims 2 too, and spent countless hours in that game without getting bored (I skipped Sims 3, so I can't comment on that). Sims 2 was more challenging. Things didn't always work out the way I wanted it to, and I loved that. The personalities of my sims were more obvious, which was fun. It felt like my sims knew how they wanted their lives to go, and I as a player most often followed their lead.

Sims in 4 feel more like a blank canvas. They rarely object to the things I tell them to do. They don't "tell me" what they want in life. Their autonomous behavior is nearly the same regardless of their traits. I can do whatever I want with them.

I find that I get way more attached to my families in 4 than I ever did in 1 or 2. I find that my households in 4 are more varied than they were in 1 or 2. Because Sims 4 forces me to be creative with their stories. It forces me to look at the traits of a sim and figure out how they would behave, to figure out stories and relationships based on the combinations of traits and aspirations in a household. While sims feel the same if I ignore the traits, they do react accordingly when I push them in the direction of their traits. An evil sim will love it if I send them out to make enemies. A lazy one will enjoy sitting in front of the tv most of the day, an active sim will not. And so on.

To me, sims feel more alive than they did before. I love the multitasking - seeing them chat to each other while they are eating or watching tv, randomly checking their phone in the middle of things, or listen to music while they're doing other stuff. I love how they will randomly think about family members. How they behave when they are angry, sad or embarrassed.

I very much enjoy family play in this game. Toddlers are very close to perfection in my book - how they have the parents running around the house, the fussiness, the various ways to bond with them and teach them stuff. How they gradually learn to walk and talk, how they'll wake up parents because of nightmares. Parenthood also added a lot to this aspect, I especially like the parenting interactions, and the mood swings for teenagers.

I play sims 4 in a different way than I played 1 and 2. I realize that I often use it more like a storytelling device than a game, and I completely understand and respect that that isn't everybody's preferred way of playing. But for me it's a very worthwhile way to spend my time, because it gets my creativity going in a way no other sims game has done.

I'm inclined to agree and as a huge Sims 2 fan I have thought a lot about why this is.
And I think it comes down to one thing - nothing matters and nothing has consequences. Everything feels like a blank slate the following day. And all sims behave the same.
They need to reintroduce the memory system - but an improved version of it. Traits and experience doesn't affect sims. Most of the traits are just moodlets you get at random times - it isn't complex enough. I also want to have more control over their skills - I don't find it realistic for grandma to be autonomously gaining video gaming skill by using her mobile phone on the toilet. I want skills to matter more.
Sims need a lot more personality and their personality needs to affect their life in meaningful ways.
Romance needs a full overhaul. Right now when I want to get two sims romantically involved the process is always 100% the same. Chat/flirt/kiss/woohoo. And it always works which is extremely boring. We need attraction back. Love at first site. Feeling repulsed by another sim. Unrequited love. Faithful and unfaithful traits. Cheating on another sim should change the way that sim behaves towards their partner maybe. Just subtle things. Finding out your partner is cheating should create diverse reactions depending on the sim's personality and their relationship. Some sims will be angry, some will be depressed. Others may not be bothered too much by it - but they shouldn't just FORGET about it the next day after a 12 hour moodlet. This is what I mean about nothing matters - sims won't remember anything. And that ruins the immersion for me.

TL;DR - The way Sims 4 currently works is I have to fill in too many gaps in gameplay with my own imagination. And I'd prefer the game doing some more of the work.

"ClarionOfJoy;c-16632078" wrote:

You claiming the graphics are "bad" is just your opinion and not fact. I actually LOVE the graphics of Sims 3. They have better textures and aren't anywhere near blocky or blurred as in Sims 4.

Well to nitpick - these things can, in fact, be facts. I work in game design and video game illustration and the quality of graphics and textures of Sims 4 are far superior to that of Sims 3. You can of course enjoy the Sims 3 style more as many people do.

(If your Sims 4 textures are all blurry or blocky you may be using low settings or your graphics card is not good or old)

The only time I had actually fun was when I played Vlad, I used to cause mayhem all around town. The thing is: always disliked vampires in the sims, in the sims 4 are the only thing I have fun with.

"jooxis;c-16632907" wrote:

"ClarionOfJoy;c-16632078" wrote:

You claiming the graphics are "bad" is just your opinion and not fact. I actually LOVE the graphics of Sims 3. They have better textures and aren't anywhere near blocky or blurred as in Sims 4.

Well to nitpick - these things can, in fact, be facts. I work in game design and video game illustration and the quality of graphics and textures of Sims 4 are far superior to that of Sims 3. You can of course enjoy the Sims 3 style more as many people do.

(If your Sims 4 textures are all blurry or blocky you may be using low settings or your graphics card is not good or old)

I think a lot of people are confusing art style and graphics. I’d be surprised if a 2009 game had better graphics than a 2014 game anyway ;) By blurry and blocky I think people may mean how some things look a bit chunky in Sims 4.

https://i.imgur.com/hPMDrE0.png

Edit: sorry, didn’t pay attention to the topic title when reacting, this is not on topic. Wholeheartedly agree with your post prior to the one I quoted btw.