Stuff packs ain't cheap.

I don't mind the stuff packs. I think you get a good amount of content for ten dollars. I do have a problem with stuff packs being used to finish off an expansion pack. The upcoming stuff pack feels like it is adding stuff that should have gone in the expansion.

"JoAnne65;c-16375511" wrote:

"CK213;c-16375491" wrote:

"RnM92;c-16371163" wrote:
I miss the days when Sims Stuff Packs purely followed a decorative theme rather than made up lacking gameplay, followed two or three sub themes within that and had tons of objects, clothes and hair, wallpapers, floors and other building tools/objects. I know they were more expensive but not by much (£5 more than now), especially when you consider how much we got for that money. And because they were only decorative you didn't feel you were missing out on any gameplay if you didn't buy them.

Well I like it.
Each stuff pack has a theme and game play that supports the theme.
This adds more value to the pack and it doesn't hurt that it cost $10 instead of $20 as it did with The Sims 3.

Sims 3 came with 11 EP's though with loads of content/gameplay. Who even needed the SP's.

I did, because we had create-a-style and it just brought more stuff to get creative with.
I also had store content. This isn't about The Sims 3 anyway other than the obvious price difference.
No one needs stuff packs, they are just if you want more stuff to add to your game.

As a matter of fact people complained about stuff packs because they didn't offer any additional game play.
So now we have game play and another group of people complain about them having game play. :D

> @Misa_wants_Pepsi said:
> Yeah i agree. For some people $10 is alot to spend on entertainment. Just because someone isnt on the street dirt poor doesn't mean there aren't other expenses going on. Like everything wants a subscription (Netflix, crunchyroll, amazon ect) And it does add up. I only purchased two Stuff packs at full price because I was certain I would like every bit. (gameplay, CAS and build.) others were on a sale. The point is some people don't want to fell like they are getting ripped off. Some people want to feel like they are getting their money's worth. I'm aware that's subjective, whats an essential to one may not be be to another. But just keep that in mind. Believe it or not, just because someone is criticizing something doesn't mean they are hating on it or being negative. They are just voicing concerns. Also some people feel that spending alot of money on DLC is a bit far, even if its not all at one. My nephew cringed when he looked up how much he spent over the years on League of legends.

Thank you for mentioning this! I'm a college student. 10 dollars is 50 breakfasts for me.... Or 10% of a textbook.

I don't mind the stuff packs but they are optional and they aren't really that expensive (Unless you have another currency). If you don't want it, don't buy it. That's all I'm saying.

This is a game, not necessity. It's also not required to purchase packs at full cost, as many are offered at a discount, including at time of launch. By the logic the OP is using, EPs and GPs are expensive. Let's agree to disagree. We all have different values, preferences, income. Buy what you like and can afford. And everyone is happy

"CK213;c-16375739" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16375511" wrote:

"CK213;c-16375491" wrote:

"RnM92;c-16371163" wrote:
I miss the days when Sims Stuff Packs purely followed a decorative theme rather than made up lacking gameplay, followed two or three sub themes within that and had tons of objects, clothes and hair, wallpapers, floors and other building tools/objects. I know they were more expensive but not by much (£5 more than now), especially when you consider how much we got for that money. And because they were only decorative you didn't feel you were missing out on any gameplay if you didn't buy them.

Well I like it.
Each stuff pack has a theme and game play that supports the theme.
This adds more value to the pack and it doesn't hurt that it cost $10 instead of $20 as it did with The Sims 3.

Sims 3 came with 11 EP's though with loads of content/gameplay. Who even needed the SP's.

I did, because we had create-a-style and it just brought more stuff to get creative with.
I also had store content. This isn't about The Sims 3 anyway other than the obvious price difference.
No one needs stuff packs, they are just if you want more stuff to add to your game.

As a matter of fact people complained about stuff packs because they didn't offer any additional game play.
So now we have game play and another group of people complain about them having game play. :D

You made me look (thinking I misread something). You were bringing in Sims 3 there :o I disagree, you need SP’s for Sims 4 far more than for Sims 3. It was nothing but wallpaper in Sims 3 where for Sims 4 SP’s play a much more important part content wise. I don’t remember any complaints about SP’s not having gameplay. They were stuff packs, everybody knew they were. We got so much gameplay through EP’s, why would anyone need gameplay from SP’s back then?

"husseinandali;d-936583" wrote:
At this point of tike there is 14 stuff packs, each cost 10$ that would 140$ for stuff packs compilation and you would hardly get enough content to expand on the base game and keep you interested for more than two weeks. In that money you could have bought 3 and a half expension packs which are guaranteed to give you more gameplay than 14+ which you would get in said stuff packs.

The existence of stuff packs is not doing the game any good, so i personally think they should d cease to exist.

They're half the price of Sims 3 SPs, and they include at least one new gameplay object which Sims 3 SPs did not. So by that token they are more inexpensive than Sims 3 SPs. They're also a way to get content in the game that we otherwise would not have because they feature items that neither the GP or EP teams plan to explore. There are packs that I use more than others but I've found that each SP does add value of a sort to my saves; Luxury Party isn't one of my top priorities but I've used the content to make some lovely wedding/party venues (the buffet tables saves my Sims from having to hire a caterer that only makes BLTs). There are some nice wall and floor textures in Spooky Stuff that work great in creating older-looking builds. And we wouldn't have gotten the round dining tables in C&D or the new SP if it hadn't been for the great reception to the 6 seat round umbrella tables in Backyard Stuff.

If you don't like a particular SP theme, you can easily skip it or wait till a sale hits.

"stilljustme2;c-16375915" wrote:

"husseinandali;d-936583" wrote:
At this point of tike there is 14 stuff packs, each cost 10$ that would 140$ for stuff packs compilation and you would hardly get enough content to expand on the base game and keep you interested for more than two weeks. In that money you could have bought 3 and a half expension packs which are guaranteed to give you more gameplay than 14+ which you would get in said stuff packs.

The existence of stuff packs is not doing the game any good, so i personally think they should d cease to exist.

They're half the price of Sims 3 SPs, and they include at least one new gameplay object which Sims 3 SPs did not. So by that token they are more inexpensive than Sims 3 SPs. They're also a way to get content in the game that we otherwise would not have because they feature items that neither the GP or EP teams plan to explore. There are packs that I use more than others but I've found that each SP does add value of a sort to my saves; Luxury Party isn't one of my top priorities but I've used the content to make some lovely wedding/party venues (the buffet tables saves my Sims from having to hire a caterer that only makes BLTs). There are some nice wall and floor textures in Spooky Stuff that work great in creating older-looking builds. And we wouldn't have gotten the round dining tables in C&D or the new SP if it hadn't been for the great reception to the 6 seat round umbrella tables in Backyard Stuff.

If you don't like a particular SP theme, you can easily skip it or wait till a sale hits.

sims 3 had only 8 stuff packs during it's full life time which included only decorative items that had no effect on the gameplay of the basegame, making them fully optional. Where as sims 4 currently have 14 stuff packs, with more to come, with core gameplay objects spread across each that can only be unlocked only if you paid for that one pack with that 10$. And when i say core gameplay objects i mean it because the game is lacking and content and in order to have a fuller experience you gotta cath them all. Moreover claiming they are optional is not fully true when they are the main focus of this iteration and the proof is the number of the packs.
I mean 4 years in and we have 14 sp and only 4 ep and 6 game packs there is no balance in those number and it's pretty obvious.

"they feature items that neither the GP or EP teams plan to explore."
And why exactly is that, it's not like they have a vastly diffrent theme nor are the expension packs we are getting are full and fleshed out, when compering them to older iteration, the reason is they purposely don't include that content so they could release it separately later.
Now take a look at the stuff packs
-Luxury party and bowling could have been included in get together, they had party's in that and bowling is a club activity that is played with a group.
-Perfect patio and vintage glamour and laundry in city living.
Kids and toddlers could have fit in parenthood.
-Buckyard, spooky and cool kitchen in seasons.
Romantic garden in jungle adventure, that wishing well is so fitting.
-Fitness could be included in an upcoming game pack that im sure is coming, the one focusing on sports, they done it before in sims 2 and sims 4 is definitely lacking in thos category. Unless they decide to devide each sport object into it's own stuff pack than that's something else.
-And of course movie hangout, which could be included anywhere.
The point is that it's not that they don't plan it's they have other plans.

Sorry for the long post, here's a meme
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"JoAnne65;c-16375883" wrote:

"CK213;c-16375739" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16375511" wrote:

"CK213;c-16375491" wrote:

"RnM92;c-16371163" wrote:
I miss the days when Sims Stuff Packs purely followed a decorative theme rather than made up lacking gameplay, followed two or three sub themes within that and had tons of objects, clothes and hair, wallpapers, floors and other building tools/objects. I know they were more expensive but not by much (£5 more than now), especially when you consider how much we got for that money. And because they were only decorative you didn't feel you were missing out on any gameplay if you didn't buy them.

Well I like it.
Each stuff pack has a theme and game play that supports the theme.
This adds more value to the pack and it doesn't hurt that it cost $10 instead of $20 as it did with The Sims 3.

Sims 3 came with 11 EP's though with loads of content/gameplay. Who even needed the SP's.

I did, because we had create-a-style and it just brought more stuff to get creative with.
I also had store content. This isn't about The Sims 3 anyway other than the obvious price difference.
No one needs stuff packs, they are just if you want more stuff to add to your game.

As a matter of fact people complained about stuff packs because they didn't offer any additional game play.
So now we have game play and another group of people complain about them having game play. :D

You made me look (thinking I misread something). You were bringing in Sims 3 there :o I disagree, you need SP’s for Sims 4 far more than for Sims 3. It was nothing but wallpaper in Sims 3 where for Sims 4 SP’s play a much more important part content wise. I don’t remember any complaints about SP’s not having gameplay. They were stuff packs, everybody knew they were. We got so much gameplay through EP’s, why would anyone need gameplay from SP’s back then?

I truly do not care who needs stuff packs more or less, nor did I suggest that any game did. All I said is TS4 has cheaper stuff packs.

I wanted a little game play with my stuff packs and I even made a thread in TS3 ideas and feedback about it.
And now we have it. People were always complaining about stuff packs and one of the arguments were that stuff packs added nothing to game play and were a waste of money. That's why I suggested the idea.

You really are hypersensitive about TS3.
Ironically, game play is the main reason why I would want a TS4 stuff pack now because with this art style and no create-a-style, I don't have much interest in TS4's blocky objects. I would rather use custom content. I don't want TS4 stuff packs for hair either. So in the end, the stuff packs have become less useful to me because of the art style. :p

Just game play and clothes. :D

"kaywilliams;c-16376097" wrote:

"lele62;c-16375516" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16375511" wrote:

"CK213;c-16375491" wrote:

"RnM92;c-16371163" wrote:
I miss the days when Sims Stuff Packs purely followed a decorative theme rather than made up lacking gameplay, followed two or three sub themes within that and had tons of objects, clothes and hair, wallpapers, floors and other building tools/objects. I know they were more expensive but not by much (£5 more than now), especially when you consider how much we got for that money. And because they were only decorative you didn't feel you were missing out on any gameplay if you didn't buy them.

Well I like it.
Each stuff pack has a theme and game play that supports the theme.
This adds more value to the pack and it doesn't hurt that it cost $10 instead of $20 as it did with The Sims 3.

Sims 3 came with 11 EP's though with loads of content/gameplay. Who even needed the SP's.

I had all the EPs and almost none of the SPs for that reason.

People who focus more on building and decorating like to buy SP's to use.

Well, I didn't do much building in TS3, so maybe that's why. Yet, there were so many EPs in TS3 that SPs seemed pointless. Now, in TS4, I do build and I do feel the need for all the packs. Yet, I'm not completely convinced it's strictly a case of now I'm building/decorating or whether I need more SPs to fill the void from 4 EPs instead of 11.