Stuff packs ain't cheap.

I don't understand the point of these threads. Yeah, okay, you think stuff packs are crap and you don't think $10 (or 12.99 if you're Canadian) is worth it. So? There's no need to tell us that. We each have our own sense of 'worth.' What is worth it to me, may not be worth it to the guy who posted above me. We all value different things. I for one, would never buy Parenthood cause IMO I don't like having kids in my games. On the other hand, I would kill for a stuff pack that has playable ferrets in it. If you hate ferrets, then the pack won't be worth it to you. However, it is worth it to me. I'd pay $30+ for friggin' ferrets in The Sims. To you, that's probably an insane price for ferrets, but me wanting this pack (assuming it exists) has no bearing on you whatsoever, so it's rather stupid to say that stuff packs need to 'cease existing.' Don't like the stuff in a pack? Don't buy it at all and forget about it, the same way I am never buying Parenthood and forgetting about it. Let people buy what they want.

P.S. $12.99 every so often isn't that much, and I don't even buy every single stuff pack.

"Simanite;c-16371620" wrote:

"RnM92;c-16371163" wrote:
I miss the days when Sims Stuff Packs purely followed a decorative theme rather than made up lacking gameplay, followed two or three sub themes within that and had tons of objects, clothes and hair, wallpapers, floors and other building tools/objects. I know they were more expensive but not by much (£5 more than now), especially when you consider how much we got for that money. And because they were only decorative you didn't feel you were missing out on any gameplay if you didn't buy them.

You get the same amount of objects in TS4 SPs as you did TS3 SPs as well as interactive objects for a lower price, how could anyone see that as a bad things?. TS3 SP themes were nearly all horrendous.

I wasn't talking about the Sims 3, I was talking about the Sims 2. I never played the Sims 3 beyond the base game so I have no experience of those SPs.

"happygurl;c-16371356" wrote:

"drake_mccarty;c-16371034" wrote:

"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16370938" wrote:
I doubt 3 EPs have 28-42 different items of gameplay, or did you forget each SP has 2-3 gameplay items? ;)

That said, it's extremely unlikely that someone buys all the packs at once. Most of the sales are made at release. So it really is only $10 US (or regional equivalent) every few months. I bet you spend more than that on a couple servings of coffee.

And you don't have to buy them if they don't add anything for you anyways. I'd rather have more options in my packs than less. Maybe I don't want a $40 EP for one hamster, or one bowling lane. Or, maybe I would never use a bowling lane in an EP and would rather have the kareoke instead. Mix and match, pick and choose.

28-42?

LPS - 2
PPS - 1
CKS - 1
SS - 2
MHS - 1
RGS - 2
KRS - 2
BYS - 2
VGS - 2
BNS - 1
FS - 1 (2 counting the fitness channel I guess)
TS - 1 (one piece was broken into 3 smaller pieces that use the same animation as the larger piece)
LDS - 3 (washer and dryer use same animation)


By my count that’s 21, 22 if I’m being super generous, not 28 and definitely not 42. If you’re going to try and make a case for stuff packs make one that isn’t blatantly false. Ok?

I don't think that comment was necessary. Can we make our comments about the game and not other posters? Not trying to start something, just hoping we can get along even if we disagree.

What about that was unnecessary? Was it necessary to make a wide reaching claim that could easily be refuted? I mean literally it took me 5 minutes online to identify the gameplay objects in each pack, type them up, and total them out. Let’s not attack people for providing factual details instead of wide reaching claims.

"happygurl;c-16371867" wrote:
^^You couldn't have simply pointed out that they were mistaken or wrong instead of accusing them of making blatantly false claims?

As I said it was not difficult at all to get the actual information about what he claimed. What struck me as odd (and really should be obvious to anyone) was that his lowest number was just the number of packs x2 and his highest the number of packs x3. Well obviously not every SP has 2 or 3 gameplay items. Quite a few have one (CKS, MHS, BNS, FS, etc). So there was a huge, very obvious flaw in the argument being presented.

"husseinandali;d-936583" wrote:
At this point of tike there is 14 stuff packs, each cost 10$ that would 140$ for stuff packs compilation and you would hardly get enough content to expand on the base game and keep you interested for more than two weeks. In that money you could have bought 3 and a half expension packs which are guaranteed to give you more gameplay than 14+ which you would get in said stuff packs.

The existence of stuff packs is not doing the game any good, so i personally think they should d cease to exist.

The Sims 2 and 3 Stuff packs were $20. With no new game-play items, it was just recolors and...stuff.

The Sims 4 Stuff packs are $10, with 1-3 new game-play items and more...stuff.

"RnM92;c-16371163" wrote:
I miss the days when Sims Stuff Packs purely followed a decorative theme rather than made up lacking gameplay, followed two or three sub themes within that and had tons of objects, clothes and hair, wallpapers, floors and other building tools/objects. I know they were more expensive but not by much (£5 more than now), especially when you consider how much we got for that money. And because they were only decorative you didn't feel you were missing out on any gameplay if you didn't buy them.

I disagree with the "purely decorative" thing because, to me, the active gameplay in Sims 4 stuff packs are what tend to entice me first and foremost. Sims 4 Stuff packs have had SOOO many decorative and CAS items I use constantly and enjoy compared to past iteration's stuff packs. I feel the stuff packs have never felt more useful in my game than they are to me in Sims 4. For example, I waited for a sale to get like 8 of Sims 3's stuff packs because they were not worth the full priced 20 dollar tag that they outrageously had and those didn't even have any gameplay objects besides for High End Loft Stuff!! Of course this is my opinion but I have been pleasantly happy with the content I've received in these 10 dollar packs.

They are cheap in that you don't have to buy all of them and can pick and choose which ones fit your gameplay. I don't have three of them because there isn't anything in them that I would use often enough to justify the ten dollars but the stuff packs I do own I use almost everytime I play. I also can spend ten dollars here and ten dollars there more often than spending twenty or forty dollars. I also didn't buy them all in one go and have bought one at a time over the past two and half years. I also didn't buy stuff packs for the previous Sims games except for the sims 2 and that was mansion and garden stuff. They were more expensive and came with less content then we get now.

Videg games are all about DLC, sub fees, etc. It's not the 80s any more. The downside is that games are most costly if you want to play them to their full capacity. The upside is that content is added and bugs can be patched. In the old days, you'd buy a game and that was it....you lived with the bugs and you received the game in it's final state.

I like the SP they have been stuff to do for my sims even if there are a tad more then there should be.

"drake_mccarty;c-16371034" wrote:

"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16370938" wrote:
I doubt 3 EPs have 28-42 different items of gameplay, or did you forget each SP has 2-3 gameplay items? ;)

That said, it's extremely unlikely that someone buys all the packs at once. Most of the sales are made at release. So it really is only $10 US (or regional equivalent) every few months. I bet you spend more than that on a couple servings of coffee.

And you don't have to buy them if they don't add anything for you anyways. I'd rather have more options in my packs than less. Maybe I don't want a $40 EP for one hamster, or one bowling lane. Or, maybe I would never use a bowling lane in an EP and would rather have the kareoke instead. Mix and match, pick and choose.

28-42?

LPS - 2
PPS - 1
CKS - 1
SS - 2
MHS - 1
RGS - 2
KRS - 2
BYS - 2
VGS - 2
BNS - 1
FS - 1 (2 counting the fitness channel I guess)
TS - 1 (one piece was broken into 3 smaller pieces that use the same animation as the larger piece)
LDS - 3 (washer and dryer use same animation)


By my count that’s 21, 22 if I’m being super generous, not 28 and definitely not 42. If you’re going to try and make a case for stuff packs make one that isn’t blatantly false. Ok?

I would like to refer you to the post of SimGuruGraham (here) where he explains how new objects are made. I think this gives a pretty good idea of what is considered a new object by the developers. There are mimics, like chairs and tables, that don't require any new development and have their own block model ready. They are made by external partners based on the existing block models. New objects actually require time and effort from the developers. These new objects are all the gameplay objects, but also objects that require new functionality, and therefore a new block model. That means that things like the six seat table in Laundry Day Stuff is considered a new object by the developers. Kids Room Stuff had all the voidcritters and Fitness Stuff had the ear buds and the ability to do fitness using the television.

This means it is just a matter of perspective of what to count as new objects. Don't forget that all those functionalities require just as much time from the developers as all these new gameplay objects. And we are paying for all of that, not just the new gameplay objects.

Besides all of this, it is very unlikely someone is going to buy all the packs at once, as has been said. 10 dollars or euros or whatever the equivalent is, is just the same as the price for, say, a pizza or some cups of coffee or whatever. I do realise that not everyone is a millionaire and that this price can be much to someone that has to scrape every penny out of the bottom of their wallet every month. But it is not obligatiory to buy every pack. It remains a personal choice. And everyone has to make that choice for themselves.