The Sims 4 AI is impossible!

As someone who is going to school to become a library technician and who works at the university's library part-time... We don't ever just walk up and start chatting to students while they are studying.. especially in the designated "quiet zone". Our library has two floors, the main floor is a modern styled "working library" where people can be in groups and talk freely amongst themselves, while the other floor is the quiet study zone, where no loud conversations happen, only whispering is allowed if you need to talk.

But never have I walked up to or seen another librarian just walk up and start talking to students who are working, nor do we "shh" people, we usually just tell people to lower their voices :D

I agree with you.

Yesterday I was in the library trying to do my homework and so many tried to chat with me that I finally went home angry. A library is supposed to be a place to study and read, not chat...

Worst thing about all of this Christmas Gift from EA!

Go into options and turn ALL Autonomy OFF, and the game still intrudes to an almost unplayable frustrating level.

It truly feels to me like some doofus wannabe coder accidentally left the inhouse test autonomy compiled into the release.
It has happened in other systems, why not in this silly little game we pay way too much for lately.

Pretty much all of my sims are library sims because of the lot trait, and the programming for librarians has always been ridiculous. They have been this way since the beginning of the game. If you want to see how astonishing the AI is in this game, this is where it shines. And I don't mean that in a good way.

I always make a break room somewhere for my super study sims, with a fridge, counter, shower, and bed. It's insane how the librarians become obsessed with it. They are way beyond obsessed with making food and leaving it everywhere. Cleaning it up, not so much. They make food obsessively, then leave it everywhere, then start whining about lonely they are, then start kicking stuff in distress and pestering people. Then they start obsessing about food again, and lather rinse repeat until they fall asleep on a bench or loveseat somewhere. Meanwhile, those books scattered over the library amidst all of the spoiled food? Who cares! Not the librarian!

And it always turns into a freak show for celebrities too. Who knew that place filled with dusty old books was such a great hotspot for celebrities and their entourages of paparazzi and fainting fans. Bjorn Bergesen shows up to play chess, and he's a celebrity, and the whole place goes insane. Then Dirk walks in behind him for who knows what reason. Good luck trying to walk your sim through the mad throng to the bathroom. Might as well take a nap.

The AI in this game has been it's own worst enemy from the beginning, and is only getting worse. It would be nice if something in this game would ever be logical or reasonable, but that always seems too much to ask. Of course the price they want us to pay for this experience is never too much to ask. It's something that I continue to be frustrated with when it comes to this franchise. And as long as the librarians keep reminding me of it, I always will.

We are not getting the experience we deserve with this game, and librarians are the poster children for that.

I hate when you are trying to have a romantic conversation then a sim that happens to be miles away decides to join the conversation. You have to wait for that sim that wanna join to walk towards you for that interaction to be completed then it turns awkward.... SMH

"logion;c-17351739" wrote:

"shorty943p;c-17351676" wrote:
Do a search for Idle-Chat mods maybe over at MTS. More specifically "Zero_Idle_Chatting.package"

I have also had to zip and unload most of my rotational games since the last update.

It seems the game is getting close to the limit of its capacities. I am beginning to see it freeze badly and a quick check of stats shows close to 6 GIG of RAM being eaten by the game.

With many years experience working online in massive online realtime virtual worlds, as a code tester working directly with coders, I know when a system is at its max and being stretched beyond design intent. I think the game engine itself has been pushed too far now.
It's simply no longer able to cope with the demands on internal AI, too many sims!
Lots with only a small family or a couple are fine, any community lot full of sims will lag like prison stoolpidgeon.

I have played the game since release and it feels like sometimes the game is slower and then they patch it and it feels better, but it feels like performance definitely took a hit with Discover University. I don't understand why they made the worlds in Discover University so large, the game has a limit of 20 sims per zone unless you use mods.

As for the AI, I think the reason why it can be so annoying sometimes, especially with Discover University is because the sims are very limited in what they can do, but the game has to try and make it look like there are a lot of things that are happening on the lot. So it will do the same procedure with sims spawning on the lot and walking up and talking to you, but that does not really work well with Discovery University and the fact that your sim needs to study. The lots are too large and there is nothing to do on them. So the game has nothing else to offer except spawning sims that will try and talk to you or will waste time walking around in the zone.

As far as DU taking an toll on performance it could be an number of things other than an large Neighborhood. I would think the better the system, the better the processing high end systems could handle. The AI system is not an tweak once and forget it may need tweaking when an new pack is introduced and bugs must be dealt with sooner than later which sadly is not done with an program like this. It appears the more packs added the more processing is needed so the specs must change even if it is an little. I myself do not have any issues with the large neighborhoods and programs tend to act differently on different systems.

I started avoiding libraries because the librarians will not leave my Sims alone. For some reason, they have to sit right next to my Sim and start chatting even when I cancel the action. Now I take my Sims to the library after 9:00 PM when there's no one there. On the other hand, it's nice that the Librarians are Young Adults instead of another adult.

I think that gym trainers are worse than librarians. There can be 15 Sims at the gym, but the trainer always targets my Sim to train which instantly starts a friendship bar which often results in the trainer becoming a good friend of my Sim even though they haven't actually met. Instead of trying to avoid trainers, I started taking my Sims to a gym late at night when there are no trainers. Unfortunately, no matter how late it is, there are always one or two premade Sims who think that the purpose of going to a gym is to chat and not to work out.

Bartenders have gotten worse with socializing too. Lately, it seems that you can't order a drink without having the bartender start chatting with your Sim or becoming part of any conversation that your Sim is trying to have with someone. In the past two weeks, I've seen numerous bartenders stop tending bar so they can sit down and chat with customers. This happens a lot at the venues that have karaoke machines.

I've also seen a new issue with some stall vendors in Casters Alley. Instead of all three vendors opening their assigned stalls, one is always standing near the fountain chatting with other Sims. I have one vendor that consistently goes to Magic HQ where he spends his time chatting with everyone. Meanwhile. his potion stall is closed.

I don't want my Sims to be anti-social but I do want them to be able to get things done quickly so they can socialize after they're done. I think that when I cancel some townie's urgent need to chat with my Sim then it should be canceled and not delayed. More often than not these townies have just entered the lot and are nowhere near my Sim which causes my Sim to stop what I have them doing while they wait for the townie. It's always an adult townie that my Sim has never met.

"Finbar659;c-17353218" wrote:
I hate when you are trying to have a romantic conversation then a sim that happens to be miles away decides to join the conversation. You have to wait for that sim that wanna join to walk towards you for that interaction to be completed then it turns awkward.... SMH

I have my Sims travel to a different neighborhood when that happens. It's infuriating to put it mildly. Another thing that "plums" me off is when NPCs decide to yell at my Sim's pet for no apparent reason. I'm using mods these days that will allow me to take my anger out at such Sims in great detail :D

Since the last update especially, this game has become all but unplayable, with AI and game Autonomy completely out of control.

Try turning ALL Autonomy off in game options, I did, it doesn't work. AI will still blitz you.

EA? Maxis? or the So called Guru's here, do coders even read this forum?


I've said it before and I repeat.
THANKS for the lousy Christmas gift EA.

Fully agree with the frustration with the mess. Have also noted the potions shop vendor is routinely away and chatting, either at the fountain or at wands & tomes shop. Doesn't matter when I send a sim there, either. Maybe we need to open up one of those bug report things, to get attention if nothing else.