The Sims 5? Maxis Recruiting for “Exciting New Game in the Sims Franchise”

"Sigzy05;c-16726963" wrote:

"bunny-gypsy;c-16726939" wrote:

"king_of_simcity7;c-16726936" wrote:

"bunny-gypsy;c-16726932" wrote:

"Brindleton;c-16726369" wrote:
With the success of Sims 4, I honestly don't see EA attempting to cater to Sims 2 and 3 fan bases anymore.
I know it sounds harsh but it's just not feasible for many reasons. It's the natural process of a long running franchise.

Whether it’s Sims 2/3 fans or Sims 4 fans, there did seem to be a backlash on the lack of toddler thing...And the devs did end up including them, eventually. And the gurus did say they are listening to feedback, and I saw lots of feedback that was similar, whether a Sims 4 fan or whatever.

A life simulator / sandbox game would still have all sorts of fans demanding for the same kinds of stuff: toddlers, seasons, pools, retail, restaurants, pets, etc.

I really didn’t see a difference in the feedback. Many simmers, old and new, seem to want some similar things and want lots of content in a Sims game, regardless of whatever iteration it is.

If the next Sims game has an open world then we would know that they listened to feedback. At the moment I am not convinced

Well, I didn’t really care for open world in Sims 3, and I’m more of a Sims 2 fan, so I’m not bothered by a lack of a fully open world myself. Open world is not usually on my list of priorities for some types of games. Not every simmer is into full-open worlds.

I’m more concerned about toddlers and creative tools and options at base game. Those would show me more of the feedback.

TS4 doesn't have creative tools in my view. The biggest said innovations just didn't work at all. Emotions and multitasking were the biggest points of attraction, as well as the supposed "smart sim engine". Things like emotions and multitasking seem wonderful on paper but TS4 proved they just don't work at all.

Emotions and multitasking slowed down development and made it super expensive. Devs that left EA have commented on this, and current gurus are constantly talking about how hard it is to work through the new multitasking system regarding animation on new assets for the game, it's the reason there are no lounge chairs in the BG and why they have to be left for a bigger budget pack to make them, because otherwise they'd be considered an entire new gameplay object. I hope TS5 ditches all of them, multitasking, emotions and moodlets, and has a more concrete mood system, even if it means going back to the mood meter.

One of TS2's biggest points was that you could finally change the color of certain assets in an object in the BG. Coming from TS1 it was a huge deal, and having a color wheel later on TS3, including pattern changing was colossal for creativity. TS4 took away all of that and replaced it with color presets, similar to TS1, talk about going back in time.

I hope TS5 includes layered clothing for both tops and bottoms, outer clothing, inner clothing and jackets and gets rid of the full body outfits entirely, with the exception of perhaps costumes. That way we can combine multiple pieces of clothing and put together our very own outfit combinations. Put that together with a color wheel and you have the best creative system yet for clothing.

From TS4 CAS I would only keep hats with every hair, the tuck in boots and pants and the push and pull sim feature. Everything else can go into the trash can. Hell in TS4 you can't even have separate ear accessory assets like in TS2 and TS3 or choose what hand bracelets go onto.

I couldn't have said it better!

Personally hink these people were so much fans of sims 2 . That hey subconcuisel tried to recreate it . Than fell miserbally . I like sims 2 it has that charm,but most of the features should stay in the past. Where it belong like close neighborhood,uncontrallable pets, kids being taken away because of bad grades .. I like sims 2 ,. They could bring back some animations or detail.

"@Sigzy05;c-16725377" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16725071" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16723898" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16723884" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16723777" wrote:
Speak for yourself. I still think TS2 looks alright and I still play it sometimes. And I think GTA V looks okay too. The Sims doesn't have to be extremely realistic. It's just that TS4 is too cartoony for me

They’re better of doing cartoony with realistic elements, rather than realistic with cartoony elements.

The Sims 3 at times was a little bit too realistic when it came to Sim design. Child/Toddler Sims especially needed less realism and more cartoony aspects they were scary at times :joy:

And yet, TS2 and TS3 did as good if not better than TS4.

It’s likely that the 10M badge the Guru’s posted means 10 million sales which already puts the Sims 4 above 2 & 3 on PC/Mac.

Sims 3 hit 10 million but that figure included everything from PC, Mac, console, handhelds and smartphones. We already know the Sims 2 did 6 million on PC, and 13 million on all platforms.

Also, The Sims 2 and 3 were considered outdated and at the end of their shelf life in 2008 & 2013, people were expecting a new game,

Yet The Sims 4 came to console at the end of 2017 and is still selling like a brand new game, obviously the artsyle is working and EA are able to continue to push the game as a AAA game.

Imagine The Sims 2 in 2010 for example, of The Sims 3 in 2015 and EA still releasing DLC the public would not care.

I can still see the public caring about the Sims 4 in 2020 and that’s mostly due to the fact it still looks current.

Likely isn't a sure thing, and what's to say console bought games aren't a part of that 10 million as well? If you aren't ditching actual facts then I just can't help but ignore those made up statistics, not to mention we all know how TS3 and especially TS2 were global sensations regardless and sold more than well, leaving a lot of passionate players around.

And to this day I still play TS3 on max settings and I have no problem about how it looks, sometimes it looks even better than TS4 with all those water reflections, trees and lighting. So honestly I can't relate with that.

Because we know the Sims 4 sales without the 10M pin anyway. We know for 100% that the 5M pin was to signify sales, and SimGuruLyndsay confirmed that the game had sold over 5 million as of 2016 Gamescon. All you have to do is work out the percentages that the game increased by each quarters financial report and the game had crossed 10M copies before console even came into the picture :)

The Sims 3 has its moments, but tbh, water and trees have little impact when we are talking about a whole game. Sure, the water is nice. But I’m not convinced on the trees when the Sims 4 flora is so easy on the eyes, but that’s still your opinion as mine is mine. But yeah, overall though, there’s really no debate on which game looks better, although my only gripe with the graphics in 4 comes from the rushed base game worlds but that’s another rant for another day (but lbr the fact you can see 2D sprites and edges of the map in normal camera mode is enough to hire a whole new world team).

"Sigzy05;c-16726874" wrote:

"Brindleton;c-16726369" wrote:
With the success of Sims 4, I honestly don't see EA attempting to cater to Sims 2 and 3 fan bases anymore.
I know it sounds harsh but it's just not feasible for many reasons. It's the natural process of a long running franchise.

I don't really see people anywhere begging for the base game to not have toddlers, pools, basements, ghosts, dishwashers, family trees, party invitations, sliding doors, only one type of stairs, no color wheel, teens the same height as adults/ya/elders and so on again. Even less asking for more emotions and goal oriented stuff. But if you do, point me in the right direction.

I think you’re being too pedantic, the user obviously means people want more of a Pixar kind of Life Simulation rather than a GTA kind of Life Simulation.

No one is asking for lag, Rabbit Holes, routing fails, stuck Sims/cars, Save errors etc. that’s not what we’re talking about here.

"@king_of_simcity7;c-16726930" wrote:

"Brindleton;c-16726369" wrote:
With the success of Sims 4, I honestly don't see EA attempting to cater to Sims 2 and 3 fan bases anymore.
I know it sounds harsh but it's just not feasible for many reasons. It's the natural process of a long running franchise.

Feedback on the forums from 2014 says otherwise :wink:

Feedback obviously changed since 2014, since EA have decided to port the entirety of the Sims 4 to console, while abandoning The Sims 3’s ports not long after it started.

It seems there was demand for one, and not for another. They even cancelled the DLC for The Sims 3 Pets.

Feedback on the 2009 forums wasn’t sunshine and rainbows either :wink:

But all of this comes down to the fact that EA will make decisions based on what sells, not what forums say or don’t say.

The Sims 4 obviously has high demand, and they’ll use 4 as a guide to Sims 5.

"@Karon;c-16726398" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16725071" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16723898" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16723884" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16723777" wrote:
Speak for yourself. I still think TS2 looks alright and I still play it sometimes. And I think GTA V looks okay too. The Sims doesn't have to be extremely realistic. It's just that TS4 is too cartoony for me

They’re better of doing cartoony with realistic elements, rather than realistic with cartoony elements.

The Sims 3 at times was a little bit too realistic when it came to Sim design. Child/Toddler Sims especially needed less realism and more cartoony aspects they were scary at times :joy:

And yet, TS2 and TS3 did as good if not better than TS4.

It’s likely that the 10M badge the Guru’s posted means 10 million sales which already puts the Sims 4 above 2 & 3 on PC/Mac.

Sims 3 hit 10 million but that figure included everything from PC, Mac, console, handhelds and smartphones. We already know the Sims 2 did 6 million on PC, and 13 million on all platforms.

Also, The Sims 2 and 3 were considered outdated and at the end of their shelf life in 2008 & 2013, people were expecting a new game,

Yet The Sims 4 came to console at the end of 2017 and is still selling like a brand new game, obviously the artsyle is working and EA are able to continue to push the game as a AAA game.

Imagine The Sims 2 in 2010 for example, of The Sims 3 in 2015 and EA still releasing DLC the public would not care.

I can still see the public caring about the Sims 4 in 2020 and that’s mostly due to the fact it still looks current.

Its not an achievement for me if it took 4 years. Sims 2 did better in its release.

It took just over 2 years for The Sims 4 to do what The Sims 2 did in 5 years. Not sure if you read my post right.

Speculation will be more fun than a barrel of monkies. ;) Because just think, Youtube and other places will be filled with fake TS5 videos where people swear it's leaked pictures and film of TS5. Remember all those fake real estate videos people said were TS4? :D Then we will get to see someone, somewhere, on the internet (again) use the Eve Character Creator showing some characters and swear those are TS5 Sims. :dizzy:

TS2 and TS3 Simmers can now go back to dreaming about a better game and hopefully this time reach some compromises. Open world is overwhelming when you play large households, but I hope we get something that is very polished and reliable from the get go. Mistakes with TS3 we couldn't travel to the other worlds, had to pick one. TS4 mistakes, couldn't tear down backdrops and scenery nor move lots around to anywhere near a road. Doesn't even have road systems. :/ TS2 mistakes, didn't let us layer clothes like TS1 and other issues such as having to use cheats to angle furniture. TS4's mistake, became a social game, where it was more important to show off what you can do rather than play the game. Creativity is fine, I enjoy it myself, but I hope the next game understands the heart of the game is the gameplay and not the fluff. ETA: And a must from me, give us tools to create our own hair and clothes this time. It's 2018 and since bodyshop in TS2 we've not had a better tool/system.

"@Cinebar;c-16725611" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16725071" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16723898" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16723884" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16723777" wrote:
Speak for yourself. I still think TS2 looks alright and I still play it sometimes. And I think GTA V looks okay too. The Sims doesn't have to be extremely realistic. It's just that TS4 is too cartoony for me

They’re better of doing cartoony with realistic elements, rather than realistic with cartoony elements.

The Sims 3 at times was a little bit too realistic when it came to Sim design. Child/Toddler Sims especially needed less realism and more cartoony aspects they were scary at times :joy:

And yet, TS2 and TS3 did as good if not better than TS4.

It’s likely that the 10M badge the Guru’s posted means 10 million sales which already puts the Sims 4 above 2 & 3 on PC/Mac.

Sims 3 hit 10 million but that figure included everything from PC, Mac, console, handhelds and smartphones. We already know the Sims 2 did 6 million on PC, and 13 million on all platforms.

Also, The Sims 2 and 3 were considered outdated and at the end of their shelf life in 2008 & 2013, people were expecting a new game,

Yet The Sims 4 came to console at the end of 2017 and is still selling like a brand new game, obviously the artsyle is working and EA are able to continue to push the game as a AAA game.

Imagine The Sims 2 in 2010 for example, of The Sims 3 in 2015 and EA still releasing DLC the public would not care.

I can still see the public caring about the Sims 4 in 2020 and that’s mostly due to the fact it still looks current.

I think you are dreaming. If the new TS5 lures TS2 and TS3 players over to it, then TS4 will be lost in the dust. Think about it, if a new Sims game can get TS3 players to turn loose of TS3 and also lure over TS2 players, then TS4 will be a side game some play sometimes, like maybe The Sims Medieval, it will then become a tiny niche of the community and all the others (TS2 &TS3) would support a new TS5 if it has things both types of players want. TS4 can't do that for TS2 and TS3 players, so a new game could, maybe, and therefore TS4 would be forgotten about by most.

ETA: People are expecting a new game, because TS4 is four years old, and time's up for most veteran players, expecting to see a new game, no matter how long they say TS4 will last. Most veteran players are ready to see the leaks about TS5. :D

Most of the feedback on Twitter and relevant online places is that people want TS4 to stick around.

Honestly, I think the people who say “everyone is ready for Sims 5” are the ones who are dreaming.

The Sims 4 Seasons sold over 1 million copies first week. That’s the kind of numbers EA expects from a whole new game, not a DLC 4 years in. And that’s just PC/Mac. What about when it’s put on console?

Why release a whole new base game when the DLC is making so much profit?

Reality is, “most veteran players” are clearly supporting the Sims 4. There’s a “select amount of players” who consider themselves “more veteran than anyone else” only because they play The Sims 2 more than 3 & 4, and that makes them feel that they’re opinions are more valid.

The Sims 3 base game was at 3 million, 3 months after release. The fact that Seasons is probably around 1.5 million already and only $10 cheaper than a base game, I can see them looking at these figures and realising where the logical road to go is (which is not retiring Sims 4 anytime soon).

"jackjack_k;c-16727098" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16725377" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16725071" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16723898" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16723884" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16723777" wrote:
Speak for yourself. I still think TS2 looks alright and I still play it sometimes. And I think GTA V looks okay too. The Sims doesn't have to be extremely realistic. It's just that TS4 is too cartoony for me

They’re better of doing cartoony with realistic elements, rather than realistic with cartoony elements.

The Sims 3 at times was a little bit too realistic when it came to Sim design. Child/Toddler Sims especially needed less realism and more cartoony aspects they were scary at times :joy:

And yet, TS2 and TS3 did as good if not better than TS4.

It’s likely that the 10M badge the Guru’s posted means 10 million sales which already puts the Sims 4 above 2 & 3 on PC/Mac.

Sims 3 hit 10 million but that figure included everything from PC, Mac, console, handhelds and smartphones. We already know the Sims 2 did 6 million on PC, and 13 million on all platforms.

Also, The Sims 2 and 3 were considered outdated and at the end of their shelf life in 2008 & 2013, people were expecting a new game,

Yet The Sims 4 came to console at the end of 2017 and is still selling like a brand new game, obviously the artsyle is working and EA are able to continue to push the game as a AAA game.

Imagine The Sims 2 in 2010 for example, of The Sims 3 in 2015 and EA still releasing DLC the public would not care.

I can still see the public caring about the Sims 4 in 2020 and that’s mostly due to the fact it still looks current.

Likely isn't a sure thing, and what's to say console bought games aren't a part of that 10 million as well? If you aren't ditching actual facts then I just can't help but ignore those made up statistics, not to mention we all know how TS3 and especially TS2 were global sensations regardless and sold more than well, leaving a lot of passionate players around.

And to this day I still play TS3 on max settings and I have no problem about how it looks, sometimes it looks even better than TS4 with all those water reflections, trees and lighting. So honestly I can't relate with that.

Because we know the Sims 4 sales without the 10M pin anyway. We know for 100% that the 5M pin was to signify sales, and SimGuruLyndsay confirmed that the game had sold over 5 million as of 2016 Gamescon. All you have to do is work out the percentages that the game increased by each quarters financial report and the game had crossed 10M copies before console even came into the picture :)

The Sims 3 has its moments, but tbh, water and trees have little impact when we are talking about a whole game. Sure, the water is nice. But I’m not convinced on the trees when the Sims 4 flora is so easy on the eyes, but that’s still your opinion as mine is mine. But yeah, overall though, there’s really no debate on which game looks better, although my only gripe with the graphics in 4 comes from the rushed base game worlds but that’s another rant for another day (but lbr the fact you can see 2D sprites and edges of the map in normal camera mode is enough to hire a whole new world team).

"Sigzy05;c-16726874" wrote:

"Brindleton;c-16726369" wrote:
With the success of Sims 4, I honestly don't see EA attempting to cater to Sims 2 and 3 fan bases anymore.
I know it sounds harsh but it's just not feasible for many reasons. It's the natural process of a long running franchise.

I don't really see people anywhere begging for the base game to not have toddlers, pools, basements, ghosts, dishwashers, family trees, party invitations, sliding doors, only one type of stairs, no color wheel, teens the same height as adults/ya/elders and so on again. Even less asking for more emotions and goal oriented stuff. But if you do, point me in the right direction.

I think you’re being too pedantic, the user obviously means people want more of a Pixar kind of Life Simulation rather than a GTA kind of Life Simulation.

No one is asking for lag, Rabbit Holes, routing fails, stuck Sims/cars, Save errors etc. that’s not what we’re talking about here.

Water is important on TS3 mind you, there's lots of gameplay that surround it, most came with Island Paradise and Seasons. Like windsurfing, ocean swimming, diving, snorkelling, water lounging, surfing, etc. it contributes to the overall enjoyment and immersion of the game to me at least.

And yes, it's really not what we are talking about here, because no one is mixing content with bugs and poor optimisation, but you.... I could as easily argue about the TS4's musical chairs, sims not looking into other sim's faces when talking, sims reseting into the T pose all the time, the time freezing bugs, stretching arms animations, sims standing around not doing anything to the point I have to reset them manually and so on....But you know, I don't, because that's a whole other subject to have in consideration. I don't think anyone ever wants game breaking bugs haunting a game. But bugs or lack of there of isn't an excuse for lack of toddlers for example.

"Cinebar;c-16727106" wrote:
Speculation will be more fun than a barrel of monkies. ;) Because just think, Youtube and other places will be filled with fake TS5 videos where people swear it's leaked pictures and film of TS5. Remember all those fake real estate videos people said were TS4? :D Then we will get to see someone, somewhere, on the internet (again) use the Eve Character Creator showing some characters and swear those are TS5 Sims. :dizzy:

And a must from me, give us tools to create our own hair and clothes this time. It's 2018 and since bodyshop in TS2 we've not had a better tool/system.

There are already fake videos of the Sims 5, lol. They look awful. At least way back when they looked almost believable :joy:

Yes! Sims 5 would need to make tools the forefront. That’s the only way I can see The Sims 5 having appeal over any of the games. Tools.

But they also need to work. The Create A Style/Create A World tools for example are super unrealible and buggy. We need user end tools that don’t compromise game performance.

The fact that using CASt could make your game lag like crazy turned me off wanting to use it.
The CAW tool still makes me dizzy.

I think if they can simply bring a “what we expect” base game with The Sims 5, and then add amazing creation tools, they’ll have a winner.

They need *something* major that we haven’t had before, we don’t need “more venues (but are fake Rabbit Holes)” or “emotions” (that don’t intergrate with much of the game at all).

The Sims 3 World Packs show that EA won’t lose money by offering tools to make content that EA will sell. EA made a small fortune from Sims 3 worlds.

Give us the tools, and players will want it ALL. ALL OF THE THINGS.

"jackjack_k;c-16727115" wrote:

"@Cinebar;c-16725611" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16725071" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16723898" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16723884" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16723777" wrote:
Speak for yourself. I still think TS2 looks alright and I still play it sometimes. And I think GTA V looks okay too. The Sims doesn't have to be extremely realistic. It's just that TS4 is too cartoony for me

They’re better of doing cartoony with realistic elements, rather than realistic with cartoony elements.

The Sims 3 at times was a little bit too realistic when it came to Sim design. Child/Toddler Sims especially needed less realism and more cartoony aspects they were scary at times :joy:

And yet, TS2 and TS3 did as good if not better than TS4.

It’s likely that the 10M badge the Guru’s posted means 10 million sales which already puts the Sims 4 above 2 & 3 on PC/Mac.

Sims 3 hit 10 million but that figure included everything from PC, Mac, console, handhelds and smartphones. We already know the Sims 2 did 6 million on PC, and 13 million on all platforms.

Also, The Sims 2 and 3 were considered outdated and at the end of their shelf life in 2008 & 2013, people were expecting a new game,

Yet The Sims 4 came to console at the end of 2017 and is still selling like a brand new game, obviously the artsyle is working and EA are able to continue to push the game as a AAA game.

Imagine The Sims 2 in 2010 for example, of The Sims 3 in 2015 and EA still releasing DLC the public would not care.

I can still see the public caring about the Sims 4 in 2020 and that’s mostly due to the fact it still looks current.

I think you are dreaming. If the new TS5 lures TS2 and TS3 players over to it, then TS4 will be lost in the dust. Think about it, if a new Sims game can get TS3 players to turn loose of TS3 and also lure over TS2 players, then TS4 will be a side game some play sometimes, like maybe The Sims Medieval, it will then become a tiny niche of the community and all the others (TS2 &TS3) would support a new TS5 if it has things both types of players want. TS4 can't do that for TS2 and TS3 players, so a new game could, maybe, and therefore TS4 would be forgotten about by most.

ETA: People are expecting a new game, because TS4 is four years old, and time's up for most veteran players, expecting to see a new game, no matter how long they say TS4 will last. Most veteran players are ready to see the leaks about TS5. :D

Most of the feedback on Twitter and relevant online places is that people want TS4 to stick around.

Honestly, I think the people who say “everyone is ready for Sims 5” are the ones who are dreaming.

The Sims 4 Seasons sold over 1 million copies first week. That’s the kind of numbers EA expects from a whole new game, not a DLC 4 years in. And that’s just PC/Mac. What about when it’s put on console?

Why release a whole new base game when the DLC is making so much profit?

Reality is, “most veteran players” are clearly supporting the Sims 4. There’s a “select amount of players” who consider themselves “more veteran than anyone else” only because they play The Sims 2 more than 3 & 4, and that makes them feel that they’re opinions are more valid.

The Sims 3 base game was at 3 million, 3 months after release. The fact that Seasons is probably around 1.5 million already and only $10 cheaper than a base game, I can see them looking at these figures and realising where the logical road to go is (which is not retiring Sims 4 anytime soon).

LOL, good one. I don't think I'm any more veteran than anyone else. But what I do know is I bet EA would still like to have all those TS3 players who didn't buy TS4. No matter who plays now, I think a gaming company still wants more players, no matter how large their current fanbase might be currently. EA has bought the domain names of The Sims through Ten/TS10 so I expect we will see a new one, whether TS4 players want to move on or not. We all went through that four times, or not. We know that's how this game rolls. Why TS4 players refuse to see the writing on the wall is beyond me. Why did they make/build TS4 because when TS3 was selling like hot cakes and millions didn't want a new game? Because, at some point it's time to move on because the engine becomes a big bug mess.

No point in arguing jackjack, they are hiring for a new game and of course it has to be The Sims 5.

ETA: And note though they say TS4 will continue and it will until the next one, they started production on 5 in the same pattern they started 2, 3, and 4...so nothing has changed about EA's past history concerning The Sims series.