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NoNameGirl20
6 years ago

This silent treatment is the worst

Hello

So this silence and no communication from Maxis is pissing me off.
I watched Deligracys Video about the survey that came in January and at the end she made a really good point about making sure to keep the players interested now, since this game is out since 5years+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2_SLDamNkg (It starts around 12:28)

I think Maxis does a bad job at it.
We have a Maxis not so monthly... I mean they only use it when there is a bigger update now, which is a good thing, but still

Okay people would say... just play the game... a new stuff pack came out in January so whats the problem?
Well i played the game i did my thing and now its boring again. See Sims4 content gets boring a lot more faster then you think and i am not in the minority here.

Maxis still has to play catch up. After 5 years basic things are missing... I dont even wanna always compare it to the 3 or 2...
I dont mean DLC themes that they could cover.
I talk about basic things that should be there in a LIFEsimulation Game. #No Firefighter when your House burns down?!

I might be
impatience but it takes them too long to add features... why is it that you can not add a monthly patch Update... so we could have a Maxis monthly... like what are they doing... Maxis has two mobile Games and one game on differente plattforms... I mean these things take work too, but I dont know... its been 5years...

So the Team comes all suprisingly, drops the bomb and goes hiding in theyre cabin... They hide from the storm, that is called feedback, till the last rain drops are down. There are rarely any statements just nothing really.
(20th anniversary suprise)

They can not talk about what they are currently working. They (most of the time) can not share what will happen in this year... So it feels like we have no say in the game that we pay for, and play. (Minus the community stuff project)


I wonder... where are the results of the community survey? Why dont they talk about it in the Maxis Monthly Stream. Share some more behind the scenes? I would watch that- And why is it that there is no February community survey... they used to do that every month?

I know they work, but i am just wondering, what are they doing and why do we have to beg for cars after 5years? Where is the honesty? Because it just feels like they are selling hope. Because who knows if cars ever be a thing right?

That irks me.
How do you feel about it?

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  • luckyluxxury's avatar
    luckyluxxury
    6 years ago
    I agree, I think that their marketing model of literally not saying anything then stringing stuff on us is annoying and gets old very quickly. The sims team is very bad at communication and I think it's a partial reason as to why the game suffers so much. I'm still pretty new to the sims scene but even I find it sort of ridiculous that the Offical Sims Forum gets ignored in favor of twitter! As much as I didn't like or watch MM they were at least a step in the right direction for communication because at least then they were engaging with the games community, now every month on twitter people have to ask a million times if there's gonna be a MM in that month bc otherwise there just would be an announcement.


    Alas, all we can do is vote with our wallets and hope that there's enough of us doing so to make a difference.
  • xitneverendss's avatar
    xitneverendss
    6 years ago
    "Camkat;c-17419222" wrote:
    Some of it bothers me and some of it doesn't.

    For example, them not addressing the fire storm that was their 20th anniversary bothered me. They started the fire, they should have at least been seen in good faith to attempt to address people's issues.

    The game is still missing basic features 6 years in, and this bothers me. I think they don't address it though because it's by design. They mean to leave things out so we can pay for it later. Sims fans seem to be loyal to a fault though and will just buy everything and anything. No need to address this because they're still making their margins and the system is working for them.

    I get that they can't talk about what they are working on next though and this bothers me none. We shouldn't have a say in the next packs because really, what games do people ever get a say in? Once they get to beta or alpha testing, bugs get reported or game balance suggestions but the general public doesn't get to say things like "well you made this a shooter and I wanted to play a more hands on fight game, change this please". I know sims is a different style of game, all it's own really, but that doesn't mean we get to say what they develop next. Vote with your wallets. Buy the pack if you like it, or don't buy it. Which cycles back up to my other point of people just buying anything and everything.

    Part of the problem is us. We helped make them this way by allowing ourselves to be treated this way. As long as people keep buying, they won't change a thing because they don't have to. It works for them no matter how we feel and if it's working for us or not. They don't have to have communicate with us, but some would be nice. It is good PR for them, but again, I guess they don't need it because they know we blindly will just buy all the packs.


    I don't necessarily agree with this in relation to the Sims 4. Sure with a game like say The Witcher 3, it's not a game that's created to be constantly changed and updated for years to come. You purchase it because you like it or are interested in it for what it is and hope that the developers fix any bugs or nuisances you may encounter. Maybe you'll even get a little DLC. But that's it. The Sims is different. It's always been a game that's been designed to be improved upon, tweaked, or changed throughout it's life-cycle, which usually continues for many years as we've seen with all sim titles so far in the main series. It's much like an MMO in that sense.

    I can only speak about Final Fantasy XIV in this regard. The devs behind this game are incredibly well known for being forthright in what they're working on for future content and also go above and beyond in regards to player concerns, wishes, etc. just to name one example, a player asked for a feature to be added to controllers for them to vibrate whenever a queue pops, and it was added within one of the next updates. It really shows how even something small can go a long way in showing good faith with your player base.

    So, if this team is wanting people to continue playing and purchasing content, why would they NOT want to give the players what they're asking for? Why would you NOT want to give your players more of an idea of what you're working on? Why NOT open up the lines of communication a little more? "Hey, we want to show you guys this thing we've been working on, what do you think?" Think about the amount of monumental feedback they could receive. The disasters that could have been avoided. I am tired of this hush hush, top secret vibe around the Sims 4, it's not doing them any favors.
  • atreya33's avatar
    atreya33
    Legend
    6 years ago
    "Grynn;c-17419503" wrote:

    To begin with almost every dev out there in 2020 keep dev logs where they showcase things at a very early concept stage for players to show feedback, it's not that hard and it really does wonders to help boost sales, nowadays when I discover a new game I always check to see if the devs have one to see if the game is still active, if it's in a final state (because let's be real, no game ever releases in a finished state nowadays) or if it has been "abandoned".


    As someone who mainly follows the sims this sounds to good to be true. I think being open about their development would be good for both sides. We can better understand the design choices and see how much work everything takes and keep expectations realistic, and in return they get early feedback through us in a stage where some things can still be changed. The community stuff pack that is going on now is the only thing that comes close to this scenario and I like it.


    "Luxury;c-17419811" wrote:
    I agree, I think that their marketing model of literally not saying anything then stringing stuff on us is annoying and gets old very quickly. The sims team is very bad at communication and I think it's a partial reason as to why the game suffers so much. I'm still pretty new to the sims scene but even I find it sort of ridiculous that the Offical Sims Forum gets ignored in favor of twitter! As much as I didn't like or watch MM they were at least a step in the right direction for communication because at least then they were engaging with the games community, now every month on twitter people have to ask a million times if there's gonna be a MM in that month bc otherwise there just would be an announcement.


    Alas, all we can do is vote with our wallets and hope that there's enough of us doing so to make a difference.


    I completely agree. This should be one of the first place for them to contact us, not an afterthought.
  • SEREFRAS's avatar
    SEREFRAS
    Legend
    6 years ago
    I totally agree to all of the above.
    Also, I think that Sims 4 needs competition to get their butts in gear, to smarten up & improve the game.
  • Peapod79's avatar
    Peapod79
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago
    @Grynn @xitneverendss

    You both bring up good points. I guess I just meant that a lot of games don't, but you brought up some good examples of some that do. I do think the Sims team could communicate more and it would do well for them. It just doesn't bother me that they don't give us a say in the types of things released simply because it is a game that you buy the pieces and parts that you want. (Or don't buy if you don't want). However, I do see that there is an argument for the other side too because it is a piecemeal game. You would think they would want as many people buying as many packs as possible so some community input would be a good thing here.



  • logionX's avatar
    logionX
    Legend
    6 years ago
    "Grynn;c-17419503" wrote:
    "Camkat;c-17419222" wrote:
    I get that they can't talk about what they are working on next though and this bothers me none. We shouldn't have a say in the next packs because really, what games do people ever get a say in? Once they get to beta or alpha testing, bugs get reported or game balance suggestions but the general public doesn't get to say things like "well you made this a shooter and I wanted to play a more hands on fight game, change this please". I know sims is a different style of game, all it's own really, but that doesn't mean we get to say what they develop next. Vote with your wallets. Buy the pack if you like it, or don't buy it. Which cycles back up to my other point of people just buying anything and everything.


    What? most games with ongoing updates and DLC that I follow players get a say in.

    To begin with almost every dev out there in 2020 keep dev logs where they showcase things at a very early concept stage for players to show feedback, it's not that hard and it really does wonders to help boost sales, nowadays when I discover a new game I always check to see if the devs have one to see if the game is still active, if it's in a final state (because let's be real, no game ever releases in a finished state nowadays) or if it has been "abandoned".

    I've seen PLENTY of games change stuff due to player feedback, EA doesn't even bother to change minor Tunings that makes packs semi-unplayable like Realm of Magic, we instead have to rely on Zer0's mods to fix it.

    The way developers act with The Sims is really the low of the low, it's amazing how the devs treat the community like thrash and players still buy DLCs.

    Crusader Kings 2 was released in 2012 and it still sells to this day all because Paradox never let the game die with constant updates and engaging with the community, the difference between the two companies is so absurd.


    I would say it depends on the studio, some developers are very vocal about what they are working on and they are also listening to feedback after they have patched a game or changed something. Developers who don't have a publisher or publish their games themselves (like CD Project Red or Devolver Digital) are often also listening more to the community.

    Other developers have whole teams who work with the community, organize events and promote things, they do press releases, they do interviews, they make long blog posts about what they are working on, and they have people streaming their games on twitch. They know that in order to keep people invested, they have to provide content and keep people interested. They also often add depth, story and character to their games that makes people interested. And they also work a lot on improving things and making things more interesting by adding updates that changes the game. They create a universe that feels alive even when the game is turned off.

    https://i.imgur.com/xtSOYu6.png

    When it comes to the sims it feels like between the releases there are a very large amount of jokes... blurry gifs...old marketing pictures and when there is an update they are often overly excited or proud over very small things.

    And they also retweet a lot of things that other people are doing, not themselves or they are asking for clips, pictures or builds from other people. Or they are promoting sales.

    But with the exception of this community knitting pack, they do not want to share anything at all between releases.

    https://i.imgur.com/WaeT0G4.png

    The sims is a game that's about simulating life, being social and sharing your experiences and improving your sims, but Maxis does not seem to be interested in that when it comes to themselves or their game.

    And if they are, there are not enough people that can show it to us. No community team, no updates about what they are working on, no story or depth to what they are creating. Things that I think could be easily fixed if they hire some more people to work on their community, give their game a bit more depth and create some stories for themselves. I also wished that they could include updates that they can share and ask for feedback on, here on the forums or over at Answer HQ.
  • DavidLXZ's avatar
    DavidLXZ
    6 years ago
    "Atreya33;c-17419983" wrote:
    "Grynn;c-17419503" wrote:

    To begin with almost every dev out there in 2020 keep dev logs where they showcase things at a very early concept stage for players to show feedback, it's not that hard and it really does wonders to help boost sales, nowadays when I discover a new game I always check to see if the devs have one to see if the game is still active, if it's in a final state (because let's be real, no game ever releases in a finished state nowadays) or if it has been "abandoned".


    As someone who mainly follows the sims this sounds to good to be true. I think being open about their development would be good for both sides. We can better understand the design choices and see how much work everything takes and keep expectations realistic, and in return they get early feedback through us in a stage where some things can still be changed. The community stuff pack that is going on now is the only thing that comes close to this scenario and I like it.


    "Luxury;c-17419811" wrote:
    I agree, I think that their marketing model of literally not saying anything then stringing stuff on us is annoying and gets old very quickly. The sims team is very bad at communication and I think it's a partial reason as to why the game suffers so much. I'm still pretty new to the sims scene but even I find it sort of ridiculous that the Offical Sims Forum gets ignored in favor of twitter! As much as I didn't like or watch MM they were at least a step in the right direction for communication because at least then they were engaging with the games community, now every month on twitter people have to ask a million times if there's gonna be a MM in that month bc otherwise there just would be an announcement.


    Alas, all we can do is vote with our wallets and hope that there's enough of us doing so to make a difference.


    I completely agree. This should be one of the first place for them to contact us, not an afterthought.


    https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/973106/knitting-gameplay-questions-for-the-community

    See? it's not that hard.

    I hope this is not an one-off thingy.
  • Lukas11xxf's avatar
    Lukas11xxf
    6 years ago
    > @SAEldarin said:
    > In other words, I'm not attracted to EA's business practices/choices. Truth be told, I disagree with the ways in which they've developed The Sims 4 (especially). But, since it is the only life simulation game as it is, I stick with it.

    No, there is the sims 1, the sims 2, and the sims 3. All you got to do is put your own effort is doing a little setting up for those games to run perfectly on a machine and you're good to go.




    > @SAEldarin said:
    > I'm not loyal to Maxis/EA because of them...they are the only company that offers a life simulation game in the form of our sims. Those sims are what I've enjoyed over the years -- creating numerous stories, building, etc.
    >
    > In other words, I'm not attracted to EA's business practices/choices. Truth be told, I disagree with the ways in which they've developed The Sims 4 (especially). But, since it is the only life simulation game as it is, I stick with it.
    >
    > I took that survey in January and was impressed with the questions and, as always, the possibilities. However, there's a track record here. And it's not good.
    >
    > So, like an intolerable family member, I accept the franchise for what it has become (while I long for what it once meant a long time ago). And I no longer dare to imagine what the result of January's survey could mean or not mean for the game and any future changes/updates.
    >
    > In fact, I no longer believe nor buy that the game itself (TS4) needs an upgrade or any changes in order to be a better game; I firmly believe that the company itself needs a better dedication to its customers and quality commitment.
    >
    > On that note, can I just give a big shout out to CD Projekt Red:
    >
    > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOa2ITXW4AAbcag?format=png&name=large
    >
    > This says it all.
    >
    > Once Maxis/EA gets THAT right, they'll be back on the road to getting EVERYTHING right.
  • texxx78's avatar
    texxx78
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago
    Yeah, sims 4 for me is like a consolation prize. When my sims 3 starts to lag a bit (i have a regular laptop) i uninstall it and come back to 4 just because is better than nothing. I move from 3 to 4 because of some lag in my old laptop; i move from 4 to 3 because of boredom.
    But even so i understand why 3 lags in old pcs. It has so much content, so much things to do, it's just incredible.
    On the other side, it's unbeliveable that 4 has so many bugs every time devs add a few stuff, because the game doesn't have that much content for this to happen...

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So this silence and no communication from Maxis is pissing me off.
I watched Deligracys Video about the survey that came in January and at the end she made a really good point about making sure to keep the players interested now, since this game is out since 5years+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2_SLDamNkg (It starts around 12:28)

I think Maxis does a bad job at it.
We have a Maxis not so monthly... I mean they only use it when there is a bigger update now, which is a good thing, but still

Okay people would say... just play the game... a new stuff pack came out in January so whats the problem?
Well i played the game i did my thing and now its boring again. See Sims4 content gets boring a lot more faster then you think and i am not in the minority here.

Maxis still has to play catch up. After 5 years basic things are missing... I dont even wanna always compare it to the 3 or 2...
I dont mean DLC themes that they could cover.
I talk about basic things that should be there in a LIFEsimulation Game. #No Firefighter when your House burns down?!

I might be
impatience but it takes them too long to add features... why is it that you can not add a monthly patch Update... so we could have a Maxis monthly... like what are they doing... Maxis has two mobile Games and one game on differente plattforms... I mean these things take work too, but I dont know... its been 5years...

So the Team comes all suprisingly, drops the bomb and goes hiding in theyre cabin... They hide from the storm, that is called feedback, till the last rain drops are down. There are rarely any statements just nothing really.
(20th anniversary suprise)

They can not talk about what they are currently working. They (most of the time) can not share what will happen in this year... So it feels like we have no say in the game that we pay for, and play. (Minus the community stuff project)


I wonder... where are the results of the community survey? Why dont they talk about it in the Maxis Monthly Stream. Share some more behind the scenes? I would watch that- And why is it that there is no February community survey... they used to do that every month?

I know they work, but i am just wondering, what are they doing and why do we have to beg for cars after 5years? Where is the honesty? Because it just feels like they are selling hope. Because who knows if cars ever be a thing right?

That irks me.
How do you feel about it?","body@stringLength":"2585","rawBody":"Hello

So this silence and no communication from Maxis is pissing me off.
I watched Deligracys Video about the survey that came in January and at the end she made a really good point about making sure to keep the players interested now, since this game is out since 5years+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2_SLDamNkg (It starts around 12:28)

I think Maxis does a bad job at it.
We have a Maxis not so monthly... I mean they only use it when there is a bigger update now, which is a good thing, but still

Okay people would say... just play the game... a new stuff pack came out in January so whats the problem?
Well i played the game i did my thing and now its boring again. See Sims4 content gets boring a lot more faster then you think and i am not in the minority here.

Maxis still has to play catch up. After 5 years basic things are missing... I dont even wanna always compare it to the 3 or 2...
I dont mean DLC themes that they could cover.
I talk about basic things that should be there in a LIFEsimulation Game. #No Firefighter when your House burns down?!

I might be
impatience but it takes them too long to add features... why is it that you can not add a monthly patch Update... so we could have a Maxis monthly... like what are they doing... Maxis has two mobile Games and one game on differente plattforms... I mean these things take work too, but I dont know... its been 5years...

So the Team comes all suprisingly, drops the bomb and goes hiding in theyre cabin... They hide from the storm, that is called feedback, till the last rain drops are down. There are rarely any statements just nothing really.
(20th anniversary suprise)

They can not talk about what they are currently working. They (most of the time) can not share what will happen in this year... So it feels like we have no say in the game that we pay for, and play. (Minus the community stuff project)


I wonder... where are the results of the community survey? Why dont they talk about it in the Maxis Monthly Stream. Share some more behind the scenes? I would watch that- And why is it that there is no February community survey... they used to do that every month?

I know they work, but i am just wondering, what are they doing and why do we have to beg for cars after 5years? Where is the honesty? Because it just feels like they are selling hope. Because who knows if cars ever be a thing right?

That irks me.
How do you feel about it?","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-03-03T00:33:15.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:706272_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":4802},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"Hello So this silence and no communication from Maxis is pissing me off. 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LAST SCREENSHOT YOU TOOK IN THE SIMS 4 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This silent treatment is the worst","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:706283"},"body":"I agree, I think that their marketing model of literally not saying anything then stringing stuff on us is annoying and gets old very quickly. The sims team is very bad at communication and I think it's a partial reason as to why the game suffers so much. I'm still pretty new to the sims scene but even I find it sort of ridiculous that the Offical Sims Forum gets ignored in favor of twitter! As much as I didn't like or watch MM they were at least a step in the right direction for communication because at least then they were engaging with the games community, now every month on twitter people have to ask a million times if there's gonna be a MM in that month bc otherwise there just would be an announcement.


Alas, all we can do is vote with our wallets and hope that there's enough of us doing so to make a difference.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-03-03T17:24:02.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-03-03T17:24:02.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:706272/message:706283","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:149142":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:149142","uid":149142,"login":"xitneverendss","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-12-27T23:36:07.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1721239660000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:149142"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:706284":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:706284","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:706284":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:149142"},"id":"message:706284","revisionNum":1,"uid":706284,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:706272"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:706272"},"subject":"Re: This silent treatment is the worst","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:706284"},"body":"
\"Camkat;c-17419222\" wrote:
Some of it bothers me and some of it doesn't.

For example, them not addressing the fire storm that was their 20th anniversary bothered me. They started the fire, they should have at least been seen in good faith to attempt to address people's issues.

The game is still missing basic features 6 years in, and this bothers me. I think they don't address it though because it's by design. They mean to leave things out so we can pay for it later. Sims fans seem to be loyal to a fault though and will just buy everything and anything. No need to address this because they're still making their margins and the system is working for them.

I get that they can't talk about what they are working on next though and this bothers me none. We shouldn't have a say in the next packs because really, what games do people ever get a say in? Once they get to beta or alpha testing, bugs get reported or game balance suggestions but the general public doesn't get to say things like \"well you made this a shooter and I wanted to play a more hands on fight game, change this please\". I know sims is a different style of game, all it's own really, but that doesn't mean we get to say what they develop next. Vote with your wallets. Buy the pack if you like it, or don't buy it. Which cycles back up to my other point of people just buying anything and everything.

Part of the problem is us. We helped make them this way by allowing ourselves to be treated this way. As long as people keep buying, they won't change a thing because they don't have to. It works for them no matter how we feel and if it's working for us or not. They don't have to have communicate with us, but some would be nice. It is good PR for them, but again, I guess they don't need it because they know we blindly will just buy all the packs.


I don't necessarily agree with this in relation to the Sims 4. Sure with a game like say The Witcher 3, it's not a game that's created to be constantly changed and updated for years to come. You purchase it because you like it or are interested in it for what it is and hope that the developers fix any bugs or nuisances you may encounter. Maybe you'll even get a little DLC. But that's it. The Sims is different. It's always been a game that's been designed to be improved upon, tweaked, or changed throughout it's life-cycle, which usually continues for many years as we've seen with all sim titles so far in the main series. It's much like an MMO in that sense.

I can only speak about Final Fantasy XIV in this regard. The devs behind this game are incredibly well known for being forthright in what they're working on for future content and also go above and beyond in regards to player concerns, wishes, etc. just to name one example, a player asked for a feature to be added to controllers for them to vibrate whenever a queue pops, and it was added within one of the next updates. It really shows how even something small can go a long way in showing good faith with your player base.

So, if this team is wanting people to continue playing and purchasing content, why would they NOT want to give the players what they're asking for? Why would you NOT want to give your players more of an idea of what you're working on? Why NOT open up the lines of communication a little more? \"Hey, we want to show you guys this thing we've been working on, what do you think?\" Think about the amount of monumental feedback they could receive. The disasters that could have been avoided. I am tired of this hush hush, top secret vibe around the Sims 4, it's not doing them any favors.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-03-03T21:36:13.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-03-03T21:36:13.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:706272/message:706284","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:12":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:12","position":23,"name":"Legend","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:74335":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:74335","uid":74335,"login":"atreya33","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-01-18T01:51:25.887-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://eaavatarservice.akamaized.net/production/avatar/prod/userAvatar/50090869/416x416.PNG"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:12"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:74335"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:706285":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:706285","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:706285":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:74335"},"id":"message:706285","revisionNum":1,"uid":706285,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:706272"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:706272"},"subject":"Re: This silent treatment is the worst","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:706285"},"body":"
\"Grynn;c-17419503\" wrote:

To begin with almost every dev out there in 2020 keep dev logs where they showcase things at a very early concept stage for players to show feedback, it's not that hard and it really does wonders to help boost sales, nowadays when I discover a new game I always check to see if the devs have one to see if the game is still active, if it's in a final state (because let's be real, no game ever releases in a finished state nowadays) or if it has been \"abandoned\".


As someone who mainly follows the sims this sounds to good to be true. I think being open about their development would be good for both sides. We can better understand the design choices and see how much work everything takes and keep expectations realistic, and in return they get early feedback through us in a stage where some things can still be changed. The community stuff pack that is going on now is the only thing that comes close to this scenario and I like it.


\"Luxury;c-17419811\" wrote:
I agree, I think that their marketing model of literally not saying anything then stringing stuff on us is annoying and gets old very quickly. The sims team is very bad at communication and I think it's a partial reason as to why the game suffers so much. I'm still pretty new to the sims scene but even I find it sort of ridiculous that the Offical Sims Forum gets ignored in favor of twitter! As much as I didn't like or watch MM they were at least a step in the right direction for communication because at least then they were engaging with the games community, now every month on twitter people have to ask a million times if there's gonna be a MM in that month bc otherwise there just would be an announcement.


Alas, all we can do is vote with our wallets and hope that there's enough of us doing so to make a difference.


I completely agree. This should be one of the first place for them to contact us, not an afterthought.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-03-03T22:09:10.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-03-03T22:09:10.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:706272/message:706285","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:179506":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:179506","uid":179506,"login":"SEREFRAS","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2017-08-25T21:42:24.779-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://eaavatarservice.akamaized.net/production/avatar/prod/41/649/416x416.JPEG"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:12"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:179506"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:706286":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:706286","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:706286":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:179506"},"id":"message:706286","revisionNum":1,"uid":706286,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:706272"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:706272"},"subject":"Re: This silent treatment is the worst","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:706286"},"body":"I totally agree to all of the above.
Also, I think that Sims 4 needs competition to get their butts in gear, to smarten up & improve the game.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"147","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-03-03T23:44:27.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-03-03T23:44:27.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:706272/message:706286","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:13":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:13","position":24,"name":"Seasoned Ace","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:145772":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:145772","uid":145772,"login":"Peapod79","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-06-03T09:29:19.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/custom/sims_04-1735828794683.jpg?time=1735828806000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:145772"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:706287":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:706287","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:706287":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:145772"},"id":"message:706287","revisionNum":1,"uid":706287,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:706272"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:706272"},"subject":"Re: This silent treatment is the worst","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:706287"},"body":"@Grynn @xitneverendss

You both bring up good points. I guess I just meant that a lot of games don't, but you brought up some good examples of some that do. I do think the Sims team could communicate more and it would do well for them. It just doesn't bother me that they don't give us a say in the types of things released simply because it is a game that you buy the pieces and parts that you want. (Or don't buy if you don't want). However, I do see that there is an argument for the other side too because it is a piecemeal game. You would think they would want as many people buying as many packs as possible so some community input would be a good thing here.



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\"Grynn;c-17419503\" wrote:
\"Camkat;c-17419222\" wrote:
I get that they can't talk about what they are working on next though and this bothers me none. We shouldn't have a say in the next packs because really, what games do people ever get a say in? Once they get to beta or alpha testing, bugs get reported or game balance suggestions but the general public doesn't get to say things like \"well you made this a shooter and I wanted to play a more hands on fight game, change this please\". I know sims is a different style of game, all it's own really, but that doesn't mean we get to say what they develop next. Vote with your wallets. Buy the pack if you like it, or don't buy it. Which cycles back up to my other point of people just buying anything and everything.


What? most games with ongoing updates and DLC that I follow players get a say in.

To begin with almost every dev out there in 2020 keep dev logs where they showcase things at a very early concept stage for players to show feedback, it's not that hard and it really does wonders to help boost sales, nowadays when I discover a new game I always check to see if the devs have one to see if the game is still active, if it's in a final state (because let's be real, no game ever releases in a finished state nowadays) or if it has been \"abandoned\".

I've seen PLENTY of games change stuff due to player feedback, EA doesn't even bother to change minor Tunings that makes packs semi-unplayable like Realm of Magic, we instead have to rely on Zer0's mods to fix it.

The way developers act with The Sims is really the low of the low, it's amazing how the devs treat the community like thrash and players still buy DLCs.

Crusader Kings 2 was released in 2012 and it still sells to this day all because Paradox never let the game die with constant updates and engaging with the community, the difference between the two companies is so absurd.


I would say it depends on the studio, some developers are very vocal about what they are working on and they are also listening to feedback after they have patched a game or changed something. Developers who don't have a publisher or publish their games themselves (like CD Project Red or Devolver Digital) are often also listening more to the community.

Other developers have whole teams who work with the community, organize events and promote things, they do press releases, they do interviews, they make long blog posts about what they are working on, and they have people streaming their games on twitch. They know that in order to keep people invested, they have to provide content and keep people interested. They also often add depth, story and character to their games that makes people interested. And they also work a lot on improving things and making things more interesting by adding updates that changes the game. They create a universe that feels alive even when the game is turned off.

https://i.imgur.com/xtSOYu6.png

When it comes to the sims it feels like between the releases there are a very large amount of jokes... blurry gifs...old marketing pictures and when there is an update they are often overly excited or proud over very small things.

And they also retweet a lot of things that other people are doing, not themselves or they are asking for clips, pictures or builds from other people. Or they are promoting sales.

But with the exception of this community knitting pack, they do not want to share anything at all between releases.

https://i.imgur.com/WaeT0G4.png

The sims is a game that's about simulating life, being social and sharing your experiences and improving your sims, but Maxis does not seem to be interested in that when it comes to themselves or their game.

And if they are, there are not enough people that can show it to us. No community team, no updates about what they are working on, no story or depth to what they are creating. Things that I think could be easily fixed if they hire some more people to work on their community, give their game a bit more depth and create some stories for themselves. I also wished that they could include updates that they can share and ask for feedback on, here on the forums or over at Answer HQ.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-03-04T04:47:16.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-03-04T04:47:16.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:706272/message:706288","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:14370":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:14370","uid":14370,"login":"DavidLXZ","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-03-13T16:50:58.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1721239660000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:14370"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:706289":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:706289","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:706289":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:14370"},"id":"message:706289","revisionNum":1,"uid":706289,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:706272"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:706272"},"subject":"Re: This silent treatment is the worst","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:706289"},"body":"
\"Atreya33;c-17419983\" wrote:
\"Grynn;c-17419503\" wrote:

To begin with almost every dev out there in 2020 keep dev logs where they showcase things at a very early concept stage for players to show feedback, it's not that hard and it really does wonders to help boost sales, nowadays when I discover a new game I always check to see if the devs have one to see if the game is still active, if it's in a final state (because let's be real, no game ever releases in a finished state nowadays) or if it has been \"abandoned\".


As someone who mainly follows the sims this sounds to good to be true. I think being open about their development would be good for both sides. We can better understand the design choices and see how much work everything takes and keep expectations realistic, and in return they get early feedback through us in a stage where some things can still be changed. The community stuff pack that is going on now is the only thing that comes close to this scenario and I like it.


\"Luxury;c-17419811\" wrote:
I agree, I think that their marketing model of literally not saying anything then stringing stuff on us is annoying and gets old very quickly. The sims team is very bad at communication and I think it's a partial reason as to why the game suffers so much. I'm still pretty new to the sims scene but even I find it sort of ridiculous that the Offical Sims Forum gets ignored in favor of twitter! As much as I didn't like or watch MM they were at least a step in the right direction for communication because at least then they were engaging with the games community, now every month on twitter people have to ask a million times if there's gonna be a MM in that month bc otherwise there just would be an announcement.


Alas, all we can do is vote with our wallets and hope that there's enough of us doing so to make a difference.


I completely agree. This should be one of the first place for them to contact us, not an afterthought.


https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/973106/knitting-gameplay-questions-for-the-community

See? it's not that hard.

I hope this is not an one-off thingy.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-03-04T08:05:43.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-03-04T08:05:43.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:706272/message:706289","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:59345":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:59345","uid":59345,"login":"Lukas11xxf","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2019-05-25T13:48:22.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1721239561000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:59345"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:706290":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:706290","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:706290":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:59345"},"id":"message:706290","revisionNum":1,"uid":706290,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:706272"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:706272"},"subject":"Re: This silent treatment is the worst","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:706290"},"body":"> @SAEldarin said:
> In other words, I'm not attracted to EA's business practices/choices. Truth be told, I disagree with the ways in which they've developed The Sims 4 (especially). But, since it is the only life simulation game as it is, I stick with it.

No, there is the sims 1, the sims 2, and the sims 3. All you got to do is put your own effort is doing a little setting up for those games to run perfectly on a machine and you're good to go.




> @SAEldarin said:
> I'm not loyal to Maxis/EA because of them...they are the only company that offers a life simulation game in the form of our sims. Those sims are what I've enjoyed over the years -- creating numerous stories, building, etc.
>
> In other words, I'm not attracted to EA's business practices/choices. Truth be told, I disagree with the ways in which they've developed The Sims 4 (especially). But, since it is the only life simulation game as it is, I stick with it.
>
> I took that survey in January and was impressed with the questions and, as always, the possibilities. However, there's a track record here. And it's not good.
>
> So, like an intolerable family member, I accept the franchise for what it has become (while I long for what it once meant a long time ago). And I no longer dare to imagine what the result of January's survey could mean or not mean for the game and any future changes/updates.
>
> In fact, I no longer believe nor buy that the game itself (TS4) needs an upgrade or any changes in order to be a better game; I firmly believe that the company itself needs a better dedication to its customers and quality commitment.
>
> On that note, can I just give a big shout out to CD Projekt Red:
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOa2ITXW4AAbcag?format=png&name=large
>
> This says it all.
>
> Once Maxis/EA gets THAT right, they'll be back on the road to getting EVERYTHING right.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"209","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-03-04T15:33:54.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-03-04T15:33:54.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:706272/message:706290","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:706291":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:706291","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:706291":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:64215"},"id":"message:706291","revisionNum":1,"uid":706291,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:706272"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:706272"},"subject":"Re: This silent treatment is the worst","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:706291"},"body":"___________




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But even so i understand why 3 lags in old pcs. It has so much content, so much things to do, it's just incredible.
On the other side, it's unbeliveable that 4 has so many bugs every time devs add a few stuff, because the game doesn't have that much content for this to 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