WAAAAHHH NERF DUST BUNNIES (No, Don't!)

I just did a little test. Put a lazy slob sim in a house, took away all her money and just watched.
First day she got 2 bunnies, didn't interact with them and got 100 simoleons in 24 hrs. She also made 1 meal so it was a tad more.
Second day I removed all money. She had 3 bunnies and got 71 simoleons in 24 hrs. had 2 meals and fed 2 bunnies. Floor was dirty.
Third day removed money. Floor became filthy and dust bunnies vanished. No money given.

I have no dtb mods installed and I did nothing but watch on fast speed.
I honestly have no idea how people are getting 80k per night without doing anything.

"logion;c-17829995" wrote:

"simm621;c-17829991" wrote:
I just did a little test. Put a lazy slob sim in a house, took away all her money and just watched.
First day she got 2 bunnies, didn't interact with them and got 100 simoleons in 24 hrs. She also made 1 meal so it was a tad more.
Second day I removed all money. She had 3 bunnies and got 71 simoleons in 24 hrs. had 2 meals and fed 2 bunnies. Floor was dirty.
Third day removed money. Floor became filthy and dust bunnies vanished. No money given.

I have no dtb mods installed and I did nothing but watch on fast speed.
I honestly have no idea how people are getting 80k per night without doing anything.

It might have something to do with speeding up or if you befriend the bunnies, James Turner got quite a lot of money when his sim was sleeping. There is also the problem that the bunnies will give you presents and in the loot table there are items that are worth a lot of money like the Jungle Adventure items.

For all we know it could have something to do with your sims and how large your house is as well.

My house was smaller than James'. I only furnished to what she needed to function. She is a lazy slob sim and I did not befriend the bunnies I just observed. James had his game on fast speed also. Only difference being he fed and asked them to find things.
Just doing nothing got me basically nothing and if people do not want anything from them why interact with them at all and risk getting something substantial from them. Why not just step on them or vacuum them and move on?


I did another test. Different sim. This one was neat.
She befriended one bunny and had another two on high happiness. Had her feed and and ask for thing as often as I could. She started the weekend (Friday morning) with 11k simoleons. Monday morning she has 37k. Gifts ranged from upgrade parts and food to crystals and metal. I did have a few JA gifts for around 8-10k. Still not seeing 80k per night just by random money gain.

"simm621;c-17830001" wrote:

"logion;c-17829995" wrote:

"simm621;c-17829991" wrote:
I just did a little test. Put a lazy slob sim in a house, took away all her money and just watched.
First day she got 2 bunnies, didn't interact with them and got 100 simoleons in 24 hrs. She also made 1 meal so it was a tad more.
Second day I removed all money. She had 3 bunnies and got 71 simoleons in 24 hrs. had 2 meals and fed 2 bunnies. Floor was dirty.
Third day removed money. Floor became filthy and dust bunnies vanished. No money given.

I have no dtb mods installed and I did nothing but watch on fast speed.
I honestly have no idea how people are getting 80k per night without doing anything.

It might have something to do with speeding up or if you befriend the bunnies, James Turner got quite a lot of money when his sim was sleeping. There is also the problem that the bunnies will give you presents and in the loot table there are items that are worth a lot of money like the Jungle Adventure items.

For all we know it could have something to do with your sims and how large your house is as well.

My house was smaller than James'. I only furnished to what she needed to function. She is a lazy slob sim and I did not befriend the bunnies I just observed. James had his game on fast speed also. Only difference being he fed and asked them to find things.
Just doing nothing got me basically nothing and if people do not want anything from them why interact with them at all and risk getting something substantial from them. Why not just step on them or vacuum them and move on?


I did another test. Different sim. This one was neat.
She befriended one bunny and had another two on high happiness. Had her feed and and ask for thing as often as I could. She started the weekend (Friday morning) with 11k simoleons. Monday morning she has 37k. Gifts ranged from upgrade parts and food to crystals and metal. I did have a few JA gifts for around 8-10k. Still not seeing 80k per night just by random money gain.

Looks like the results will be very different if you don't befriend the dust bunnies. 37k sounds like a lot, I'm not sure where 80k came from earlier, maybe that was just an exaggeration.

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"simm621;c-17830001" wrote:

"logion;c-17829995" wrote:

"simm621;c-17829991" wrote:
I just did a little test. Put a lazy slob sim in a house, took away all her money and just watched.
First day she got 2 bunnies, didn't interact with them and got 100 simoleons in 24 hrs. She also made 1 meal so it was a tad more.
Second day I removed all money. She had 3 bunnies and got 71 simoleons in 24 hrs. had 2 meals and fed 2 bunnies. Floor was dirty.
Third day removed money. Floor became filthy and dust bunnies vanished. No money given.

I have no dtb mods installed and I did nothing but watch on fast speed.
I honestly have no idea how people are getting 80k per night without doing anything.

It might have something to do with speeding up or if you befriend the bunnies, James Turner got quite a lot of money when his sim was sleeping. There is also the problem that the bunnies will give you presents and in the loot table there are items that are worth a lot of money like the Jungle Adventure items.

For all we know it could have something to do with your sims and how large your house is as well.

My house was smaller than James'. I only furnished to what she needed to function. She is a lazy slob sim and I did not befriend the bunnies I just observed. James had his game on fast speed also. Only difference being he fed and asked them to find things.
Just doing nothing got me basically nothing and if people do not want anything from them why interact with them at all and risk getting something substantial from them. Why not just step on them or vacuum them and move on?


I did another test. Different sim. This one was neat.
She befriended one bunny and had another two on high happiness. Had her feed and and ask for thing as often as I could. She started the weekend (Friday morning) with 11k simoleons. Monday morning she has 37k. Gifts ranged from upgrade parts and food to crystals and metal. I did have a few JA gifts for around 8-10k. Still not seeing 80k per night just by random money gain.

I know in that James' video he also had set the lot trait to filthy (and let it get pretty filthy before starting to address it) also and had multiple floors with multiple bunnies. Then he acted shocked that it was hard to clean or keep on top of cleaning. I'm not sure many of would play that way generally. I haven't yet. I've only had one day where it was hard for my sims to clean a 4 story house after school/work and I think two of the reasons for that was that I neglected it for two days, and I let an attic space (with no access) get into a filthy state (with a filth fiend).
I haven't played with the bunnies other than to step on them or vacuum them up in multiple households and I haven't noticed money dropping. I did have a neat sim talk to a bunny in his small house (he didn't name or friend it) he got about 200 and one rare metal from the bunny in three separate gifts before vacuuming it up.

I'm not saying it doesn't need tuning. I think it does... I'd prefer not to have dropped money at all from the bunnies, but to get presents when you ask them directly. They could turn down how fast dirt accumulates too. It would be nice to have about 3 days between having to vacuum (although not sure how that should reflect on large families or homes). I'd hate for my single sims living in a small home to have to a week to have anything to do. Then again if it makes me utilize the filthy lot trait... I'd be just okay with that as a work around.
My biggest issue with the pack is that butlers can't be ordered to clean the dust. They will do so autonomously when gifted a vacuum but there is not an option to tell them to clean.. if they seem to be missing an area. Butlers have options to cook food, garden ect... so I would think they should have one to clean dust.
I'm also not seeing crazy autonomous cleaning either but I do play with autonomy off on my played sim and sometimes the ones that aren't in my control are cleaning. I gave up fighting with my played sim a long time back and have been much less frustrated with my game since then.

"logion;c-17830035" wrote:

"simm621;c-17830001" wrote:

"logion;c-17829995" wrote:

"simm621;c-17829991" wrote:
I just did a little test. Put a lazy slob sim in a house, took away all her money and just watched.
First day she got 2 bunnies, didn't interact with them and got 100 simoleons in 24 hrs. She also made 1 meal so it was a tad more.
Second day I removed all money. She had 3 bunnies and got 71 simoleons in 24 hrs. had 2 meals and fed 2 bunnies. Floor was dirty.
Third day removed money. Floor became filthy and dust bunnies vanished. No money given.

I have no dtb mods installed and I did nothing but watch on fast speed.
I honestly have no idea how people are getting 80k per night without doing anything.

It might have something to do with speeding up or if you befriend the bunnies, James Turner got quite a lot of money when his sim was sleeping. There is also the problem that the bunnies will give you presents and in the loot table there are items that are worth a lot of money like the Jungle Adventure items.

For all we know it could have something to do with your sims and how large your house is as well.

My house was smaller than James'. I only furnished to what she needed to function. She is a lazy slob sim and I did not befriend the bunnies I just observed. James had his game on fast speed also. Only difference being he fed and asked them to find things.
Just doing nothing got me basically nothing and if people do not want anything from them why interact with them at all and risk getting something substantial from them. Why not just step on them or vacuum them and move on?


I did another test. Different sim. This one was neat.
She befriended one bunny and had another two on high happiness. Had her feed and and ask for thing as often as I could. She started the weekend (Friday morning) with 11k simoleons. Monday morning she has 37k. Gifts ranged from upgrade parts and food to crystals and metal. I did have a few JA gifts for around 8-10k. Still not seeing 80k per night just by random money gain.

Looks like the results will be very different if you don't befriend the dust bunnies. 37k sounds like a lot, I'm not sure where 80k came from earlier, maybe that was just an exaggeration.

Yes, I agree 37k does still sound a lot but bear in mind that was constantly feeding and asking as soon as it would let me. I had more minor finds like crystals and upgrade parts. A lot more food dishes and rarely got a really pricey find. Getting things can be avoided by not doing anything with them, especially good if you just need a few simoleons to get by in a pinch and by destroying them when they appear can stop you getting even more.

"Hermitgirl;c-17830036" wrote:
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"simm621;c-17830001" wrote:

"logion;c-17829995" wrote:

"simm621;c-17829991" wrote:
I just did a little test. Put a lazy slob sim in a house, took away all her money and just watched.
First day she got 2 bunnies, didn't interact with them and got 100 simoleons in 24 hrs. She also made 1 meal so it was a tad more.
Second day I removed all money. She had 3 bunnies and got 71 simoleons in 24 hrs. had 2 meals and fed 2 bunnies. Floor was dirty.
Third day removed money. Floor became filthy and dust bunnies vanished. No money given.

I have no dtb mods installed and I did nothing but watch on fast speed.
I honestly have no idea how people are getting 80k per night without doing anything.

It might have something to do with speeding up or if you befriend the bunnies, James Turner got quite a lot of money when his sim was sleeping. There is also the problem that the bunnies will give you presents and in the loot table there are items that are worth a lot of money like the Jungle Adventure items.

For all we know it could have something to do with your sims and how large your house is as well.

My house was smaller than James'. I only furnished to what she needed to function. She is a lazy slob sim and I did not befriend the bunnies I just observed. James had his game on fast speed also. Only difference being he fed and asked them to find things.
Just doing nothing got me basically nothing and if people do not want anything from them why interact with them at all and risk getting something substantial from them. Why not just step on them or vacuum them and move on?


I did another test. Different sim. This one was neat.
She befriended one bunny and had another two on high happiness. Had her feed and and ask for thing as often as I could. She started the weekend (Friday morning) with 11k simoleons. Monday morning she has 37k. Gifts ranged from upgrade parts and food to crystals and metal. I did have a few JA gifts for around 8-10k. Still not seeing 80k per night just by random money gain.

I know in that James' video he also had set the lot trait to filthy (and let it get pretty filthy before starting to address it) also and had multiple floors with multiple bunnies. Then he acted shocked that it was hard to clean or keep on top of cleaning. I'm not sure many of would play that way generally. I haven't yet. I've only had one day where it was hard for my sims to clean a 4 story house after school/work and I think two of the reasons for that was that I neglected it for two days, and I let an attic space (with no access) get into a filthy state (with a filth fiend).
I haven't played with the bunnies other than to step on them or vacuum them up in multiple households and I haven't noticed money dropping. I did have a neat sim talk to a bunny in his small house (he didn't name or friend it) he got about 200 and one rare metal from the bunny in three separate gifts before vacuuming it up.

I'm not saying it doesn't need tuning. I think it does... I'd prefer not to have dropped money at all from the bunnies, but to get presents when you ask them directly. They could turn down how fast dirt accumulates too. It would be nice to have about 3 days between having to vacuum (although not sure how that should reflect on large families or homes). I'd hate for my single sims living in a small home to have to a week to have anything to do. Then again if it makes me utilize the filthy lot trait... I'd be just okay with that as a work around.
My biggest issue with the pack is that butlers can't be ordered to clean the dust. They will do so autonomously when gifted a vacuum but there is not an option to tell them to clean.. if they seem to be missing an area. Butlers have options to cook food, garden ect... so I would think they should have one to clean dust.
I'm also not seeing crazy autonomous cleaning either but I do play with autonomy off on my played sim and sometimes the ones that aren't in my control are cleaning. I gave up fighting with my played sim a long time back and have been much less frustrated with my game since then.

I agree there definitely needs to be some tuning but I am not seeing them being as bad as some are saying they are.

My little test for 24 sim hours per household. With no mods and no cc. I had no sims go to work, clean up the dust or interact with any bunnies.

1) Sim couple living in a one-level small home. Starting money = $160
One bunny and dust appeared after about 6 sim hours. After about 12 sim hours a 2nd bunny appeared and their money level was at $280. After 24 hours they still had 2 bunnies, a few piles of dust, dust layering over the floors and now had $466. Profit = $306

2) Three sims in a two story average home. Starting money = $20,181.
Two bunnies and dust appeared after about 6 sim hours, one bunny on each level. After about 12 sim hours there were still 2 bunnies and their money level was at $20,526. After another 4 sim hours a 3rd bunny appeared on the ground floor. After 24 hours they still had 3 bunnies, a few piles of dust, dust layering over the floors and now had $20,769. Profit = $588

3) Family of 4 with dog and cat living in large 3-story home. Starting money = $45,821.
Three bunnies and dust appeared after about 6 sim hours, one bunny on each level. After about 12 sim hours there were still 3 bunnies and their money level was at $46,053. After 24 hours they still had 3 bunnies, more piles of dust, dust layering over the floors and now had $46,770. Profit = $949.

"calaprfy;c-17830081" wrote:
I can't see a problem with earning money by caring for dust bunnies. It's just like caring for plants and earning money from them.

The "problem" is that caring for plants is an option. We have the freedom to have sims that earn money by gardening and others that don't have gardens. From those who dedicate to gardening we can opt to have them sell the produce or we can just eat it or just make flower arrangements and use them only to decorate the house or gift friends.

We have so many options. The thing i love most about the sims..

On the other hand dust is a system that applies to the save altogether. At the moment, we have only two options:
- dust with free money
or
- no dust at all.

We only want options.

"Zeldaboy180;c-17829979" wrote:

"MeowchaFrappe;c-17829724" wrote:

"Zeldaboy180;c-17829603" wrote:

"MeowchaFrappe;c-17829551" wrote:
Apparently actual nerfing calls for dust bunnies have started. :neutral:

"_____ literally entered a lot for the first time & she had filth & dust bunnies. I hope by tuning you mean nerfing because that's obsurd."

I won't the include the name of the simmer involved and who posted this but...

Yeah, good. It needed to be nerfed. Glad it's getting balanced too.

There is NO excuse for needing to vacuum 3 times a day and earning thousands of simoleons a night with no way to opt out of the simoleons, even if you like dust bunnies.

People need to stop comparing it to vampires. It'd be like if I bought the pack and they autonomously turned people. Every night my townies would get turned, and they would show up at my house multiple times a day and night and drop off thousands of simoleons against my will, then leave to turn more sims. What's more, I had no way to stop it besides disabling vampires all together.

This is not comparable.

Nerfing doesn't mean what you think it means though. It's not just "getting balanced."

When the devs nerf something, they almost completely tune it out of existence. If they nerf the dust bunnies, they'll basically cease to exist. Meaning you're literally spending $5 for vacuum cleaners.

"calaprfy;c-17829654" wrote:
Simmers bought Vampires then complained about the nightly break-ins and the fact Vampires drank blood. Wow.

This. And as a result of the nerf, I barely even notice vampires in my game. Unless I know for a fact the character is a vampire (ie Caleb, Lilith, and Vlad) I can't tell them apart from a regular Sim. Because they are, in essence... a normal Sim with fangs (and that's assuming that's the teeth they got when randomized.)

And Spellcasters came pre-nerfed in the sense, they only practice in their own realm, unless you direct to them. I've heard stories of people saying their spellcasters chose to nearly starve to death instead of perform "Delicioso," which should be the norm, assuming they know the spell.

It is comparable to the nerfing of vampires, because just like vampires if dust bunnies get nerfed, content people paid for is getting removed without their consent. Which is not okay.

I know what a nerf is, and that's exactly what I said. Nobody has still commented on a single one of my points about how this pack is literally broken. People just keep quoting and screaming "NO nerfs".

Thankfully, it's getting nerfed because of the fact it's so broken.

It's not comparable. Vampires didn't autonomously turn all of your sims into vampires and show up at your house every night with thousands of dollars.

Bust dummies are too frequent and overpowered.

You can literally have 3 dust bunnies the SECOND you load up a brand new save and earn 80k simoleons in one night against your will, even if you never interact with them.

This is ridiculous, stop defending bad game design.

Nobody is disagreeing with the fact that it's broken though. Which is very likely the reason we're letting that slide by. Because you're right on that part.

The fact that you're defending the nerfing of Dust Bunnies completely is the problem here. People are calling for content other people paid for (which for some might even be the only reason they got the pack.) That's why it's comparable to vampires.

If this comparison makes more sense to you, this would be like me asking the devs to nerf the automatic gaining of the parenting skill from Parenthood. My Sims have a baby and feed it once and they're automatically gaining parenting skill. Or asking them to nerf laundry getting dirty from Laundry Day because it keeps getting dirty whenever my Sims change their clothes. Despite the fact that the description of the laundry basket says that the clothing will get dirty.

Tuning down the amount of simoleons or adjusting how quickly a house gets dirty is fine. That's fixing a problem. Nerfing dust bunnies altogether is not going to solve anything. That's the only part I disagree with.

Plus, a lot of other people have conducted experiments and they're making not even $1000 simoleons a night. So it's obviously not a problem everyone is having. The people experiencing the problem must be doing something different.

I'm not trying to defend a bad game design by any means. I'm just trying to get you to understand that nerfing isn't going to solve any problems, and it's only going to make people who wanted dust bunnies mad.

I haven't seen anything that says they are going to nerf actual dust bunnies though, I saw where they are going to look at tuning how quickly dust accumulates, but that is all I have seen, unless of course I miss read that, which I may have. Either way, I want choices not nerfs. However the only choice now is dust or no dust. I haven't bought this pack and won't as long as it stays that way. By the way, to be clear, I am not bothered by the amount of money or the dust bunnies themselves, I can always remove any money they provide if I think it is to much, my complaint is how quickly the dust seems to return after you clean. Now, after reading other peoples responses, I am not even sure about that, as there are so many different outcomes from players.