What are your thoughts on the complaining?

I concur. I tend to find something I enjoy out of all DLC released. With the newest EP especially it seems like Maxis is trying to make everyone happy. I've seen countless wishlists that included a snowy world, a true Asian inspired world, and snow sports and Maxis has found a way to give us all three at once. I got super excited when I saw the trailer and came to the forums to geek out with some fellow simmers only to see the recent discussions page is bombarded with complaints only threads :( I guess that's just the nature of social media and the internet these days.

I dare say I have generally been decently positive over 4's lifespan, though I of course have my qualms as well. If nothing else, not overly judgemental. However, how much others complain does not really matter to me. Kind of like positivity, your opinion is your business and I am more than happy to discuss but it by no means offends me.

If I do not want to read a complaint thread, I do not (typically I do not even when I completely ignore a pack like SW). Same with positivity threads. By the way, I do sort of blame this split for the titular problem. If positivity has to have a dedicated space, so does negativity. Personally, I miss when it was all just a discussion thread. Then you could say both.

The complaint threads do get me down, but what gets me down more are the number of people in them that don't understand the difference between a plum gripe and a contstructive critique. And yes, in some cases it's just how the criticisim is presented (that is, what they're complaining about may be a valid critique, but the way they're doing it comes across more as ragging on the game for the sake of it.)

There have been points (including the recent JtB blow up) when I was ready to walk away from the community and the game all together because of the negativity. I'm glad I stuck it out, but it was close for a while.

Am I allowed to complain about others complaing about the complaints thread? Because that's a lot of complaining :smile:

I don't mind it. The people that complain here also seem to also care a lot about the sims. I like to read what people think about the game.

I actually haven't seen many complaint threads, but from what I've seen, they don't always complain about small features. I don't think there would be any complaining threads (or atleast not as many) if there were no positive threads. There should be a thread to add your thoughts, both bad and good and not only positive.

"amp107;c-17696017" wrote:
I concur. I tend to find something I enjoy out of all DLC released. With the newest EP especially it seems like Maxis is trying to make everyone happy. I've seen countless wishlists that included a snowy world, a true Asian inspired world, and snow sports and Maxis has found a way to give us all three at once.

What's driving me crazy is the people complaining the pack has to be set in a European country, because skiing. As if Japan isn't mostly mountain. I'm also glad any time TS4 steps out of the white people zone.

I'm pretty sick of it too. It gets old after awhile. It's always the same people doing the bulk of the complaining so I either skip their posts or put them on ignore. There are a few people that have posted some new or interesting complaints so I can't really say that no one should ever post a complaint.

i mean it's true that there have been a lot of complaining threads. but i mean what else is people going to do when their feedback has been ignored for +6 years? i don't blame anyone. the pack didn't look as bad, in fact i love the japanese theme of it but due to the announcement of a personality system on the game, it caused some polemic, because devs promised smarter sims since ts4 release and the idea of getting the changes behind a paywall isn't something people is glad to hear.
i admit i complain a lot about ts4, it doesn't mean i hate the game, in fact i like some of its features like cas, build and some of its premades became my favorite. but i also give negative feedback because it has a lot of bugs, the AI is flawed, traits make no difference since sims only act for their emotions, devs keep separating every tiny feature into packs, marketing has ruined the sims image, etc.

i love the franchise as a whole and previous sims games set expectations very high but in ts4, devs keep lowering them. they are always making excuses, victimizing themselves, mocking the players or ignoring their feedback. i think the complaints are justified. this franchise is a classic and doesn't deserve any less. i too feel bad when i get into a video of paralives and read comments like "omg sims could never" or "it's over for the sims".

so i think all the criticism is well deserved. besides, if it wasn't for the criticism we wouldn't even get the skintones update some people is so grateful for. we wouldn't have many things you guys can play with now. if devs didn't took the negative feedback so personally and just accepted it like other developers do, perhaps you guys would understand the reason for our negative feedback is because we want the game to be the best version of itself, our comments literally affects you on nothing guys, if anything you welcome for the changes we've gotten.

i am aware that there are sims haters out there but the main reason they exist is because ts4 has disappointed way too many times. i'm not excusing them but you guys shouldn't focus about them or put every negative feedback in the same place. i do also agree that some complaints are a bit...ridiculous. but people has all their rights to post what they want as long as it follows the forum rules.
just ignore them, like i ignore diehard sims 4 fans that will insult me on comments just because i said the game AI is bad lol.

Please feel free to join us in the positive thoughts thread if you'd like to discuss a feature you're particularly excited about or looking forward to. :) I'll be updating the thread with new information as it is released.

https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/982599/snowy-escape-positive-thoughts-thread/p1