What the heck?

"fullspiral;c-17002060" wrote:

"PreCiious;c-17001693" wrote:
why didnt they do this when the sims4 was in the beginning?

I wouldnt mind having to buy a good PC to have

open neighbourhood without loading screens
story Progression
big Worlds (i am Looking at you de small valley)
Create a Style

no they didnt and now they see their mistakes but its too late, because we cant even visit our neigbours without loading screens for ''performance'' reasons. We have a L.A inspired World without cars but it is small because of ''performance''.

I think creating a Game for low end PC was a mistake. I mean do you see the bugs? Simulation Lag is still a Thing...


Oh well...

That's Your perspective. I don't see it as a mistake to leave any of that out. There's not much I miss about sims 3. Don't miss open world. Don't miss CAS, Don't miss big worlds. And sure as heck don't miss their version of Sp which ruined how some of us rotational players play our games.

I'd prefer a whole lot of sim fixing that they ruined when going from 2 to 3. If they are going to do anything with eliminating support for 32 bit, I hope it's to do with the background sim AI and make it more like 2.

Don't need no open world. Don't need no SP, and don't need no CASt. The CAS in sims 4 is the best yet. And I don't need to recolour the furniture. There's lots of cc out there that fill my wants and needs. And so far, it all loads great compared to anything I ever did using CASt.

--

The list goes on and on ... and on
How cool would it be to have all of this promises about ''smarter sims''. But no the majority of sims players have sims that always stand up while eating and they prefer the bed instead of tables. the majority of players have simulation lags with or without cc. It might load great for you but for the majority it doesn't. And it is kinda silly to have a loading screen to visit the neigbour next door on an appartement
There is no memory system. This Sims have no personalities… ETC.



Why was the answer for the small valley ''Performance'' reasons Like really. I sure know it caused a shitstorm, some players didnt even bought the EP because of that.
A reason for why Windenburg is so popular? Its obviously...


I think a lot of the Problems have to do with the desicion that they made it available for low end PCs. . Its just a little frustrating, we could of have so much more, there are so many missed opportunities, and they are gone because of the support of potato PCs.

But you know i am not a tech, i dont know shit about computers and programming, i dont know whats going on behind the scenes so... yeahh, Maybe i am wrong about certain stuff, and it was not because of the support of low end PCs.

But hopefully the future will be bright with this Update, who knows though?!

@Writin_Reg
Maybe they didnt know how long the sims will last, but honestly it feels kinda fishy to me, like money grabbing EA style. And its also wierd that they didnt think this long term.

"Beardedgeek;c-17002167" wrote:

"Bagoas77;c-16997395" wrote:

"KaeChan2089;c-16997375" wrote:

"ClarionOfJoy;c-16996603" wrote:
I thought TS4 was suppose to work on lower end computers? Good grief, they even went back on this claim! This iteration, hands down, has got to be the worst EVER.

THIS! This I thought when the Sims 4 came out first thing that it was for lower end computers because TS3 was so HARD on some people's computer so they decdied to back down a bit so more people could play. SMH, even though I am not affected but I can't help but feel bad for people who won't be able to buy more packs or get updates...in my honest opinion this is kinda of a d*ck move...and if you want to continue to play it with the upcoming content, you gotta shell out more money for a new PC, imo TS4 isn't worth a new PC...but that's just my opinion.

I agree that continuing to play ts4 isn't worth purchasing a new PC. Some enterprising person(s) should put up a poll with that question with these new orchestrations in mind.

I've always suspected that the chatter about ts4 being designed for low-end computers wasn't an accurate representation of reality and that the reasons were less altruistic.

Um...
It's 2019.
You are not talking about low end computers, you are talking about computers that has not been manufactured FOR YEARS.

A 32 bit system cannot support more than 4 Gb of RAM. Computers with only 4 Gb of ram has not been sold for years. Not with Windows or OSX installed, at least. You actually cannot buy a PC aimed at gaming with less than sixteen (16) Gb these days.

But I suspect these issues is very specific for this game; I know a subset of players who ONLY play Sims, period, and no other games. They also tend to not be interested in tech whatsoever (unlike other players, who HAVE to keep up with technology if we want to play other games. Trust me, Sims 4 is plenty "low end").

As much fun as it is to be randomly picked as the object of some stranger's ire... you could've at least picked a more appropriate post to whatever it is that you think I've presciently disagreed with you about.

I don't have anything to add that wasn't already said. It should have been 64bit from day one. My computer is nearly 6 years old and is 64 bit.

"Seera1024;c-17002125" wrote:

"keekee53;c-17002098" wrote:
I am not trying to be mean but it is time for you guys to get a new PC. I didn't think people were still on the 32 bit. Sheesh this might be part of the reason why we were given small worlds like Del Sol valley.

Not everyone can afford to get more than an more entry level gaming computer and not everyone can just suddenly make the money for a gaming computer appear.

Let's not blame them for EA's choices. Or make them feel bad for prioritizing necessities over luxuries. Or prioritizing what their kids want in terms of luxuries over what they the parent wants in terms of luxuries.

I feel you and if I could I would buy everyone a new PC. Honestly, it would be better to buy a new PC rather than keep throwing money at Sims 4. If we calculate all the money on these packs, I am betting a new PC could have been purchased, definitely one that could run the 64 bit Sims 4.

"PreCiious;c-17002759" wrote:

"fullspiral;c-17002060" wrote:

"PreCiious;c-17001693" wrote:
why didnt they do this when the sims4 was in the beginning?

I wouldnt mind having to buy a good PC to have

open neighbourhood without loading screens
story Progression
big Worlds (i am Looking at you de small valley)
Create a Style

no they didnt and now they see their mistakes but its too late, because we cant even visit our neigbours without loading screens for ''performance'' reasons. We have a L.A inspired World without cars but it is small because of ''performance''.

I think creating a Game for low end PC was a mistake. I mean do you see the bugs? Simulation Lag is still a Thing...


Oh well...

That's Your perspective. I don't see it as a mistake to leave any of that out. There's not much I miss about sims 3. Don't miss open world. Don't miss CAS, Don't miss big worlds. And sure as heck don't miss their version of Sp which ruined how some of us rotational players play our games.

I'd prefer a whole lot of sim fixing that they ruined when going from 2 to 3. If they are going to do anything with eliminating support for 32 bit, I hope it's to do with the background sim AI and make it more like 2.

Don't need no open world. Don't need no SP, and don't need no CASt. The CAS in sims 4 is the best yet. And I don't need to recolour the furniture. There's lots of cc out there that fill my wants and needs. And so far, it all loads great compared to anything I ever did using CASt.

--

The list goes on and on ... and on
How cool would it be to have all of this promises about ''smarter sims''. But no the majority of sims players have sims that always stand up while eating and they prefer the bed instead of tables. the majority of players have simulation lags with or without cc. It might load great for you but for the majority it doesn't. And it is kinda silly to have a loading screen to visit the neigbour next door on an appartement
There is no memory system. This Sims have no personalities… ETC.



Why was the answer for the small valley ''Performance'' reasons Like really. I sure know it caused a plum, some players didnt even bought the EP because of that.
A reason for why Windenburg is so popular? Its obviously...


I think a lot of the Problems have to do with the desicion that they made it available for low end PCs. . Its just a little frustrating, we could of have so much more, there are so many missed opportunities, and they are gone because of the support of potato PCs.

But you know i am not a tech, i dont know plum about computers and programming, i dont know whats going on behind the scenes so... yeahh, Maybe i am wrong about certain stuff, and it was not because of the support of low end PCs.

But hopefully the future will be bright with this Update, who knows though?!

@Writin_Reg
Maybe they didnt know how long the sims will last, but honestly it feels kinda fishy to me, like money grabbing EA style. And its also wierd that they didnt think this long term.

But us getting a new pc does nothing for EA. Also We have known since Cats and Dogs were coming out that EA was raising the specs and going from 32 bit to 64 bit. They told us well before that ep came out. So it was not a big surprise that sooner or later the specs would be upgraded. DelSolValley proved the game needed the full 64 bits -

Also not a single Sims ad said anything about the game running on old or low grade computers. Simmers said that not EA.

Performance because they made the pack able to run on 32 bit instead of 64 bit like they should have - so size became an issue - only they apparently did not want to tell that as many of us with 64 bit - which is the majority of Simmers would have probably been angry when we had the pcs that would have not had a performance issue if they just eliminated 32 bit.

I do think they wanted to keep the 32 bit though for the players with it - but when Nvidia, and everyone else was dropping it including Mac/Apple well that leaves little choice. We have a lot of Simmers on Macs - so this made the issue a real issue. Also 32 bit cannot update video cards any more either - so that is another issue with Sims games. As Video cards need to be kept updated in this game a lot to eliminate issues.

"Seera1024;c-17002125" wrote:

"keekee53;c-17002098" wrote:
I am not trying to be mean but it is time for you guys to get a new PC. I didn't think people were still on the 32 bit. Sheesh this might be part of the reason why we were given small worlds like Del Sol valley.

Not everyone can afford to get more than an more entry level gaming computer and not everyone can just suddenly make the money for a gaming computer appear.

Let's not blame them for EA's choices. Or make them feel bad for prioritizing necessities over luxuries. Or prioritizing what their kids want in terms of luxuries over what they the parent wants in terms of luxuries.

You shouldn't need a low-end gaming computer, you just need a low end PC of any kind as long as it's been bought in the last five or 10 Years it'll probably be fine even if it's not necessarily gaming. But yes I agree it is an expense. I feel bad for anyone that won't work for but I'm really glad that they are at least giving us to Legacy options so we can still play the game with all the packs we already have. I don't think my computer will be affected I suppose there's a possibility if the video card isn't as good two or something some people are saying. However I think it's a great game with the amount of packs it has so I guess if it is I will just play it as is, end use the money saved on new packs for something else hahaha! Or else maybe I will use it as an excuse to finally update my PC to a newer low-end one LOL!

"SimAlexandria;c-17003142" wrote:

"Seera1024;c-17002125" wrote:

"keekee53;c-17002098" wrote:
I am not trying to be mean but it is time for you guys to get a new PC. I didn't think people were still on the 32 bit. Sheesh this might be part of the reason why we were given small worlds like Del Sol valley.

Not everyone can afford to get more than an more entry level gaming computer and not everyone can just suddenly make the money for a gaming computer appear.

Let's not blame them for EA's choices. Or make them feel bad for prioritizing necessities over luxuries. Or prioritizing what their kids want in terms of luxuries over what they the parent wants in terms of luxuries.

You shouldn't need a low-end gaming computer, you just need a low end PC of any kind as long as it's been bought in the last five or 10 Years it'll probably be fine even if it's not necessarily gaming. But yes I agree it is an expense. I feel bad for anyone that won't work for but I'm really glad that they are at least giving us to Legacy options so we can still play the game with all the packs we already have. I don't think my computer will be affected I suppose there's a possibility if the video card isn't as good two or something some people are saying. However I think it's a great game with the amount of packs it has so I guess if it is I will just play it as is, end use the money saved on new packs for something else hahaha! Or else maybe I will use it as an excuse to finally update my PC to a newer low-end one LOL!

Low end computers have integrated graphics cards and those are not designed for gaming and will likely not be able to support the game at all or cut the life of the computer short by a factor of years. They don't have the RAM to support the OS and the game running at the same time. No one should recommend that a gamer, Simmers included, get anything but a low end gaming computer.

A low end gaming computer will have a dedicated graphics card and RAM enough to support both the game and the OS to some degree. Not at high specs mind you, but enough to run the game without risking taking years off of the life of a computer.

Especially if it's a laptop.

The Sims series starting with Sims 2 requires actual gaming computers to not have to replace a computer every 3 years or so.

No one should recommend playing a game as intensive as the Sims games are past Sims 1 on a computer that is not designed for gaming. It's one thing if the person is aware that by not saving up for a gaming computer that they're playing with fire and may be in the same boat in 2-3 years. Instead of saving up more money and getting a computer that will last 5+ years. But when just talking in general or to someone who isn't aware, that's not something you should do. And it's reckless to do so. Especially if that person who took your advice buys a laptop. An entry level laptop will not stand up for the game for very long. It's not designed for the heat that gaming generates. A simmer might luck out on a desktop and not cut too much time off of the life of the computer, but not on a laptop.

"Seera1024;c-17003283" wrote:

"SimAlexandria;c-17003142" wrote:

"Seera1024;c-17002125" wrote:

"keekee53;c-17002098" wrote:
I am not trying to be mean but it is time for you guys to get a new PC. I didn't think people were still on the 32 bit. Sheesh this might be part of the reason why we were given small worlds like Del Sol valley.

Not everyone can afford to get more than an more entry level gaming computer and not everyone can just suddenly make the money for a gaming computer appear.

Let's not blame them for EA's choices. Or make them feel bad for prioritizing necessities over luxuries. Or prioritizing what their kids want in terms of luxuries over what they the parent wants in terms of luxuries.

You shouldn't need a low-end gaming computer, you just need a low end PC of any kind as long as it's been bought in the last five or 10 Years it'll probably be fine even if it's not necessarily gaming. But yes I agree it is an expense. I feel bad for anyone that won't work for but I'm really glad that they are at least giving us to Legacy options so we can still play the game with all the packs we already have. I don't think my computer will be affected I suppose there's a possibility if the video card isn't as good two or something some people are saying. However I think it's a great game with the amount of packs it has so I guess if it is I will just play it as is, end use the money saved on new packs for something else hahaha! Or else maybe I will use it as an excuse to finally update my PC to a newer low-end one LOL!

Low end computers have integrated graphics cards and those are not designed for gaming and will likely not be able to support the game at all or cut the life of the computer short by a factor of years. They don't have the RAM to support the OS and the game running at the same time. No one should recommend that a gamer, Simmers included, get anything but a low end gaming computer.

A low end gaming computer will have a dedicated graphics card and RAM enough to support both the game and the OS to some degree. Not at high specs mind you, but enough to run the game without risking taking years off of the life of a computer.

Especially if it's a laptop.

The Sims series starting with Sims 2 requires actual gaming computers to not have to replace a computer every 3 years or so.

No one should recommend playing a game as intensive as the Sims games are past Sims 1 on a computer that is not designed for gaming. It's one thing if the person is aware that by not saving up for a gaming computer that they're playing with fire and may be in the same boat in 2-3 years. Instead of saving up more money and getting a computer that will last 5+ years. But when just talking in general or to someone who isn't aware, that's not something you should do. And it's reckless to do so. Especially if that person who took your advice buys a laptop. An entry level laptop will not stand up for the game for very long. It's not designed for the heat that gaming generates. A simmer might luck out on a desktop and not cut too much time off of the life of the computer, but not on a laptop.

Ah.. Good to know... I've been playing on low-end laptops that are definitely not designed for gaming for years. I had no idea it could affect the lifespan of them and just figured that it meant that I would have to wait longer loading times or experience more lag in the game . With Sims it takes forever to load but the lag isn't too bad once I actually get into the game. Hopefully it won't affect the lifespan of my computer too much. I've never heard of such a thing so thanks! Well I can't afford another for now and I don't really want to quit Sims haha! So I'll have to hope for the best and maybe I'll just stick with the legendary version even if my computer will run the new one because it 64 bit. Hopefully I won't lose my save files though? Do you think they'll be able to be transferred?

Part of the fun is knowing there will always be something new and cool to give my sims in a few weeks or months. On a 32-bit machine, now all I can do is backfill with older packs that I haven't bought yet. Knowing I'll be left out of future packs takes some of the wind out of my sails for doing that. But I trust the game developers. There must not be enough 32-bit users to hold back the future of the game.

"AndyDaniel;c-17003693" wrote:
Part of the fun is knowing there will always be something new and cool to give my sims in a few weeks or months. On a 32-bit machine, now all I can do is backfill with older packs that I haven't bought yet. Knowing I'll be left out of future packs takes some of the wind out of my sails for doing that. But I trust the game developers. There must not be enough 32-bit users to hold back the future of the game.

Such a reasonable, respectful post. Hopefully you'll be able to update your system in the future and be able to continue purchasing packs.