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Lilith???","id":"message:2177569","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":52,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:139056"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2177569"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2177569"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":"So, now there are two Liliths in the game, huh? Lilith Pleasant and Lilith Vatore. Now, I now in the Real World, it's hardly unusual for two people to have the same first name, but SimWorld is much sm...","body@stringLength":"2072","rawBody":"So, now there are two Liliths in the game, huh? Lilith Pleasant and Lilith Vatore. Now, I now in the Real World, it's hardly unusual for two people to have the same first name, but SimWorld is much smaller than that, and, well, it just kinda bugs me? I feels lazy, and I've been looking through and I don't think there's any other first name duplicates among the premades--tho some are close, they're not exactly the same, and \"Lilith\" isn't exactly a typical name anyway so it stands out even more. So, I've started changing one of their names in some of my saves--I've changed Lilith Vatore to Lydia in one save, and Lilith Pleasant to Persephone in another--but I feel like maybe I should make a call one way or the other, just for consistency and to simplify things for my brain.
So, what do y'all think? Who should remain Lilith, and who's name should I change?
edit: I feel like I should clarify that I've never significantly played any previous Sims game, and neither know nor care about any premades or versions of premades from any of those games. So, maybe please base your answers purely on Sims 4, if possible.
Also, the route my games take changes wildly depending on the save so there's no particular premade or set of premades I play with more or less than any other ones, and in fact in one of my main saves right now my sim is a vampire who was turned by Caleb and therefor hangs out with the Vatores a bunch AND has become very close friends with Lilith Pleasant, so there's no clear answer in terms of one I'll see or use more or anything. Believe me, were that the case, I would've had a much easier decision to make and likely just made it already lol.
And finally, I've already stated this above, but since several people seem to have not really read the content of what I wrote, the sims world is much smaller than the real world that is why I want to change it yes I am aware it is normal for two people to have the same name in real life the sims is not real life.
Thank you","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-02-21T20:29:55.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:funny","text":"funny","time":"2024-07-01T08:41:05.683-07:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2177569_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2095},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"So, now there are two Liliths in the game, huh? Lilith Pleasant and Lilith Vatore. Now, I now in the Real World, it's hardly unusual for two people to have the same first name, but SimWorld is much smaller than that, and, well, it just kinda bugs me? I feels lazy, and I've been looking through and I don't think there's any other first name duplicates among the premades--tho some are close, they're not exactly the same, and \"Lilith\" isn't exactly a typical name anyway so it stands out even more. So, I've started changing one of their names in some of my saves--I've changed Lilith Vatore to Lydia in one save, and Lilith Pleasant to Persephone in another--but I feel like maybe I should make a call one way or the other, just for consistency and to simplify things for my brain.
So, what do y'all think? Who should remain Lilith, and who's name should I change?
edit: I feel like I should clarify that I've never significantly played any previous Sims game, and neither know nor care about any premades or versions of premades from any of those games. So, maybe please base your answers purely on Sims 4, if possible.
Also, the route my games take changes wildly depending on the save so there's no particular premade or set of premades I play with more or less than any other ones, and in fact in one of my main saves right now my sim is a vampire who was turned by Caleb and therefor hangs out with the Vatores a bunch AND has become very close friends with Lilith Pleasant, so there's no clear answer in terms of one I'll see or use more or anything. Believe me, were that the case, I would've had a much easier decision to make and likely just made it already lol.
And finally, I've already stated this above, but since several people seem to have not really read the content of what I wrote, the sims world is much smaller than the real world that is why I want to change it yes I am aware it is normal for two people to have the same name in real life the sims is not real life.
Thank you"},"Conversation:conversation:2177569":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:2177569","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2177569"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2020-05-23T07:00:48.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2020-05-23T07:00:48.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":52,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2177569":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2177569","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:2177569_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:2177569_1","lastEditTime":"2020-02-21T20:29:55.000-08:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2177597":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:2177597","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2177569"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:23358"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":2177597,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"subject":"Re: Who deserves to be Lilith???","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2177597"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2177569"},"body":"Let them fight to decide it! Whoever wins, keeps her name. Since you want to make one change. >:) As for Angela and Lilith being opposites on purpose, Caleb and Lilith Vatore are also opposites on purpose. In the story I am writing, Caleb and Lilith Vatore are older than the game hints that they are, and in my backstory, Lilith Vatore was originally christened Elizabeth, and called Lilly by friends and family.
When Caleb (who wasn't going to live to 30, his heart had been damaged by his childhood battle with the rheumatic fever, but they didn't know that...) was turned, his sister Lilly, who had been taking care of him and running the estate with their inheritance, confronted Melissa (Miss Hell) and found out just enough to lead her to Vlad, and she went pounding at his door, fearlessly demanding he turn her. He was so impressed with her determination and her reasons (so that she would be equal in power to Miss Hell and therefore able to protect Caleb from her, should she return to attempt to command him) that he did it, partly because he knew Miss Hell had been his first mistake.
Lilly then took the name Lilith, which suited her excellently, as she had been born to a world in which she could not even sign documents but had to bring them to her brother's bedside even though she was actually running everything, and her choice of name reflected her rejection of patriarchy.
Despite being himself a product of patriarchy from 300 years prior, Vlad embraced Lilith's fiery personality and felt he couldn't have chosen better this time, for progeny.
So that's my story, and that's why Lilith Vatore's name is important to her.","body@stringLength":"1692","rawBody":"Let them fight to decide it! Whoever wins, keeps her name. Since you want to make one change. >:) As for Angela and Lilith being opposites on purpose, Caleb and Lilith Vatore are also opposites on purpose. In the story I am writing, Caleb and Lilith Vatore are older than the game hints that they are, and in my backstory, Lilith Vatore was originally christened Elizabeth, and called Lilly by friends and family.
When Caleb (who wasn't going to live to 30, his heart had been damaged by his childhood battle with the rheumatic fever, but they didn't know that...) was turned, his sister Lilly, who had been taking care of him and running the estate with their inheritance, confronted Melissa (Miss Hell) and found out just enough to lead her to Vlad, and she went pounding at his door, fearlessly demanding he turn her. He was so impressed with her determination and her reasons (so that she would be equal in power to Miss Hell and therefore able to protect Caleb from her, should she return to attempt to command him) that he did it, partly because he knew Miss Hell had been his first mistake.
Lilly then took the name Lilith, which suited her excellently, as she had been born to a world in which she could not even sign documents but had to bring them to her brother's bedside even though she was actually running everything, and her choice of name reflected her rejection of patriarchy.
Despite being himself a product of patriarchy from 300 years prior, Vlad embraced Lilith's fiery personality and felt he couldn't have chosen better this time, for progeny.
So that's my story, and that's why Lilith Vatore's name is important to 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