Would you be okay with more EPs without worlds?

Also, I’ll point out:

Get Together has the biggest world, and the smallest amount of new physical gameplay (Clubs is mostly UI based).

City Living has the second biggest world, and has the second least amount of new gameplay.

Cats & Dogs has the third biggest world of an EP, and outside of Cats & Dogs lifestates, the content isn’t as large as what came with GTW & Seasons.

Get To Work added Sixam (which looks like a lot of work went into it) and the reworked lots and arguably had the biggest amount so gameplay to date (I know its not everyone’s cup of tea but there’s a lot of new physical gameplay and animations).

And now Seasons, deep snow aside, seems to have the most new physical content of any EP and is the only one to not have a new world at all (there’s a chance that they worked on other worlds with Seasons in mind(?) and made snow, Fall etc variants, and kept the Seasons budget on Weather).

Also, Outdoor Retreat lacked a lot of content over the world, compared to Parenthood & Dine Out etc.

I don’t know how to put Vampires or JA in the list because they seem to have a higher budget compared to other GPs, at least when you factor in everything they come with.

My opinion, I feel like every EP will add a notable venue and I think off-map lots are a good solution (much better than clogging up the main menu).
*I’m looking at you, Magonolia Promenade*

Major venues that are on the level of a Hospital, Police Station, Science Lab etc (like a Fire Station, Cementary or something) that could have a custom environment, and you wouldn’t have the urge to have more than one, are good to have off-lot and universal to all worlds.

If they only have to make one area, then that would save money for resources.

They also said making a map screen is expensive and takes money away from new gameplay. So :tongue:

If there’s no new major venue, and the EP theme is universal (like Seasons or GTW) then I don’t need a new world.

There's no such thing as off-map lots in TS4.

Well they don't appear in the UI but the team still needs to make a surrounding neighborhood for them. Magnolia Promenade and the career lots aren't recycled maps. They just used the world props of the already made worlds. GTW came with 4 neighborhoods technically but I guess making the actual ui maps for those can come out as expensive according to a simguru.

Honestly I think a new world should be made if it makes sense and/or if the budget allows for it.

In packs like Parenthood a new world doesn't make any sense because they are just extending gameplay related to the sims themselves. They didn't add any new significant venues or new active careers nor it revolves solely around a world (like CL).

Worlds are only needed in packs where they are required. So yes, I would be be okay with less worlds in future packs that don't have any reasons to include one other than "players need more lots".

However, I do think that seasons not having a world will be an exception, and that future expansion packs will have new world(s), as some of the expansion packs of The Sims 3 that didn't have a world such as Generations, have now been condensed into game packs.

I think the question should be: would you be ok with more EPs without world's for an increase in gameplay quality and depth?

"@Sigzy05;c-16510613" wrote:
There's no such thing as off-map lots in TS4.

Well they don't appear in the UI but the team still needs to make a surrounding neighborhood for them. Magnolia Promenade and the career lots aren't recycled maps. They just used the world props of the already made worlds. GTW came with 4 neighborhoods technically but I guess making the actual ui maps for those can come out as expensive according to a simguru.

Honestly I think a new world should be made if it makes sense and/or if the budget allows for it.

In packs like Parenthood a new world doesn't make any sense because they are just extending gameplay related to the sims themselves. They didn't add any new significant venues or new active careers nor it revolves solely around a world (like CL).

Off map lots like the Hospital etc meaning they don’t need a map UI which the Guru’s claim eat away the budget.

I call them recycled because they’re existing assests rearranged to look like a new place.

Most of the work in worlds in TS4 come from creating all the assets needed, I doubt rearranging them is too hard.
(If you didn’t know, both Mag Prom and The Hospital area reuse Willow Creek backdrops (less obvious than Newcrest) and the Science Lab is just on a flat square of sand terrain).

That’s true! But that same theory could be said for Get Together since that pack only focuses on tools on the Sims and what they can do.
Or Cats & Dogs since the only thing Brindleton Bay offers Pets is a fountain for Cats (also in Build Mode), Pet Cementary (could have been a lot), and walking tracks by the beach (the other two don’t really offer walking tracks).

So really, C&D and GT didn’t *techincally* need worlds either and both were light on actual gameplay.

"jackjack_k;c-16510591" wrote:
Also, I’ll point out:

Get Together has the biggest world, and the smallest amount of new physical gameplay (Clubs is mostly UI based).

City Living has the second biggest world, and has the second least amount of new gameplay.

Cats & Dogs has the third biggest world of an EP, and outside of Cats & Dogs lifestates, the content isn’t as large as what came with GTW & Seasons.

Get Together has the smallest amount of new physical gameplay? I doubt that. There are a lot of new gameplay objects (DJ, dancing, arcade, foosball, darts, don't wake the llama, bonfire, etc. and many small side features (improved social interactions, new venues, etc.), and all of them are well-made.

I feel like people often overlook features other than clubs in Get Together because EA marketed the EP around clubs. But besides clubs, Get Together also has many content that are very useful and suits different play styles.

Despite not having a full-sized world, I don't think Get to Work has as much content as Get Together does. The retail system is basically talking to customers and becoming a millionaire in a few days. The three careers are okay but once I played through all of them I don't have much incentives to play them again. Sixam is amazing, but not everyone's taste.

I do have high hopes for Seasons though.

If EPs would come out faster, and have more contents, it's okay to not have a new world, but I don't want this to be a normality. If there are separate world packs sold, or we can create our own worlds, that's a different story, but currently we'd have to depend on expansion packs for new worlds. I don't like off-map worlds because I want more lots that my sims can live in, and I bet many players feel the same. We just need more SPACE.

For me it just totally depends on the EP. I can't think of many themes that wouldn't feel like they need a world. TBH, Pets would have been one of them! And Seasons another. So... I don't think there's much more that I want that wouldn't benefit from or need at least a small world.

As others have said, it depends on the EP.
In something like a supernatural EP, I wouldn't mind if they didn't include a world. But with other themes a world is more important.

I'm going to echo the people that says again it depends on the EP... I don't usually complain about what the areas look like but we do have what we have and some themes will need a new background to work with it. So if it's a farm pack.. there would need to be something more rural than what we have. If it's a beach pack we need beaches.. we do have some areas that can serve as beaches but it's not that true white sand and flatter areas that most associate with beach life or vacations. It makes sense to me for Seasons not to have a pack... they happen anywhere and are different depending on where you live. I'm pretty sure they have a plan though.