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Garbage article but the devs spoke well.I do think that not mocking someone in any medium for their sexuality is important, meaning representation is good, but that's about it.... I don't remember ever playing a game that mocked non heterosexual people, maybe GTA? I wish he listed some games that mocked gay people etc, since he said there were so many.Quoting: "actually written as gay" - this makes absolutely no sense. The sexuality does not make the personality, or it shouldn't, that's why "playersexual" games work well enough. Unless the writer wants the character to constantly remind the player that they are gay by bitching all the time or overgesticulating or talking like "thiiiiiiiiiis" which are gay stereotypes.

"Sigzy05;c-17853234" wrote:Garbage article but the devs spoke well.I do think that not mocking someone in any medium for their sexuality is important, meaning representation is good, but that's about it.... I don't remember ever playing a game that mocked non heterosexual people, maybe GTA? I wish he listed some games that mocked gay people etc, since he said there were so many.Quoting: "actually written as gay" - this makes absolutely no sense. The sexuality does not make the personality, or it shouldn't, that's why "playersexual" games work well enough. Unless the writer wants the character to constantly remind the player that they are gay by ❤️❤️❤️❤️ all the time or overgesticulating or talking like "thiiiiiiiiiis" which are gay stereotypes.To expand on some things, it was rather hypocritical for the author to make a point about asking the reader to name characters "actually written as gay" then have half the bulk of his article be about The Sims, where there is no narrative story and the characters are mostly "playersexual" as he called it, where you make up your character and their sexuality. Sure, Morgyn Ember, the Heckings, and Greenburgs exist, but the majority of Sims players want to first and foremost create their own characters to play. It was a really off-putting point he was trying to make and the Sims is almost the ultimate antithesis of it. If he really wanted to drive the point home, the game Hades actually accomplishes LGBTQ representation far better than I've seen in almost any game, and it does it fluidly, without making it an agenda, and while also being a highly acclaimed game. A few major characters are in LGBTQ relationships, and Orpheus is so femininely presented that I believe he's intended to be trans. Then there's one of the entities who can help you who identifies as non-binary, and none of this is really thrust upon you as something they're trying to signal virtue. These things are just accepted as is in the game, and it was extremely refreshing to see. That game has also gotten a lot more attention than other indy games.

The article was very vague and with an unclear direction, and considering that it was written for a gaming community, it was less about games, and more about morality. I of course think that representation matter, but a specific topic of why it is important in games, could be answered differently than with a generalized misch-masch of sentimentality. I liked the person Carter's attitude though, to represent what needs representation; not to fit all in one mold. I don't think TS4 does this very clearly though, with a few exceptions. The game have binary gender as default in CAS. A game that doesn't have that is Call of Duty. I have not played it.I see a lot of players asking for pronouns to be changed, and it is rather silly to have the opportunity to gender-bend in CAS, and then be polarized in game. Non-heterosexuals are not a small minority in the world; yet the premades make it look that way.Most premades look similar to each other.I get very happy seeing all the positive features of representation, or shall we call it just life for once, in the sims games; but the article is too lyrical about it. Perhaps because it was written for the same reason as games are made, for profit, not politics or art, especially when produced by a large company like Electronic Arts. But maybe the SimGuru posting about it was just happy their collegue was represented.

I don't want sexuality. I love that the game makes no difference between sims at all. A husband and wife are no different from a husband and husband, which is positive representation to me.Saw a petition this other day. They wanted transgender sims to have different options. I try to understand transgender, as my brother is openly this FTM. But me and him agree, it is annoying to hear "trans male" "trans female," and downright trying to do a positive difference, when no difference is the most positive. Open to hear other opinions, no argument please, I like seeing a broader picture.NOTE: I.D.K. Enough about non binary to have an opinion on it. Please inform me in the comments if you are knowledgeable.

"BettyNewbie1;c-17861482" wrote:I don't want sexuality. I love that the game makes no difference between sims at all. A husband and wife are no different from a husband and husband, which is positive representation to me.Saw a petition this other day. They wanted transgender sims to have different options. I try to understand transgender, as my brother is openly this FTM. But me and him agree, it is annoying to hear "trans male" "trans female," and downright trying to do a positive difference, when no difference is the most positive. Open to hear other opinions, no argument please, I like seeing a broader picture.NOTE: I.D.K. Enough about non binary to have an opinion on it. Please inform me in the comments if you are knowledgeable.This is what i believe in. Trying so hard to include everyone to the point of listing every difference is not good.

Why LGBT Representation Is Important In Gaming.

logionX
Seasoned Vanguard
4 years ago
I just want them to make a good game, representation is important but forgive me if I don't take you as seriously when sims can't even climb open stairs and townies dress like clowns.

What benefit do I have as a player of LGBTQ representation when I can't even live a basic life?
SEREFRAS
Seasoned Hotshot
4 years ago
It's sad that they only acknowledge the LGBT but not the Asexuals. Oh well.
SEREFRAS
Seasoned Hotshot
4 years ago
I never thought of that. Thanks @LeGardePourpre.
texxx78
4 years ago
"LeGardePourpre;c-17876063" wrote:
"logion;c-17876024" wrote:
What benefit do I have as a player of LGBTQ representation when I can't even live a basic life?

The benefit is when the players accept the LGBT , in particular in Russia, China or Saudi Arabia.

20 Most Dangerous Places For Gay Travelers
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2019/11/25/most-dangerous-places-safest-lgbtq-gay-travelers/

Change the mind of the people, it will change the world.

True.
InuMiroLover
4 years ago
"LeGardePourpre;c-17876105" wrote:
"logion;c-17876102" wrote:
"LeGardePourpre;c-17876100" wrote:
"logion;c-17876096" wrote:
"LeGardePourpre;c-17876063" wrote:
"logion;c-17876024" wrote:
What benefit do I have as a player of LGBTQ representation when I can't even live a basic life?

The benefit is when the players accept the LGBT , in particular in Russia, China or Saudi Arabia.

20 Most Dangerous Places For Gay Travelers
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2019/11/25/most-dangerous-places-safest-lgbtq-gay-travelers/

Change the mind of the people, it will change the world.

Can you play the sims4 in those countries?

That's why all the video games should do it !

The Sims is banned for LGBT content in China, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar and Egypt.

That's too bad. I think it will be difficult to influence those governments.

Internet, Facebook, Apple, Google exist , it helps the people to know what happen outside.

Even if the governments don't change, the people change and evolve.

Yes those exist, but which of those countries listed have governments that allow their citizens access to a free and open internet that you and I are most likely experiencing right now?

LGBTQIA representation is important, but changing the minds of powerful governments who tightly control their citizen's speech and ideas through the power of information would take an incredible global initiative that would involve more than just game developers. Plus you know, its gotta be monetarily beneficial to them above all else.
mklamb56
4 years ago
"ClarionOfJoy;c-17877219" wrote:
"BookBear;c-17877154" wrote:
"ClarionOfJoy;c-17877079" wrote:
"BettyNewbie1;c-17861482" wrote:

NOTE: I.D.K. Enough about non binary to have an opinion on it. Please inform me in the comments if you are knowledgeable.

I don't know enough about non-binary either. Can someone explain it please?

"InuMiroLover;c-17876237" wrote:

LGBTQIA representation is important, but changing the minds of powerful governments who tightly control their citizen's speech and ideas through the power of information would take an incredible global initiative that would involve more than just game developers. Plus you know, its gotta be monetarily beneficial to them above all else.

According to the Bible, that would be the end times attempt by Satan to push for a one world government that rejects God. :)

PS: Also according to the Bible, that doesn't end well either.... *shrug*

- Non-binary is when someone doesn't identify with the gender binary and feels uncomfortable being addressed as a boy or a girl.

Ah, I see! Could someone give examples of what they are comfortable being addressed as? Isn't this a mental issue as well?

It really depends per person I think but they/them works in general. :smile:
whubble1817
New Scout
4 years ago
I make it a rule to respect every person who has not done something to lose that respect. Women, men, gay people, straight people, all races. I don't disregard a race of people because of the choices of their government either. We are all human first before we are anything else. This constant reminder of our differences invites animosity and discourse, always leaving someone feeling like they are unrepresented. I do not use social media for that reason. Most social media outlets lean in one direction and attempt to guide the conversation in such a way that disallows individual thought. I personally enjoy learning about other cultures through gaming or through forums where individuals can speak about their culture and lifestyle individually. The Sims is now and always has been especially enjoyable to me because you can tailor your world to your own liking. You do not have to feel guilty about having no gay people or having all gay people or a mix of both. Maybe you want your sims to be mostly dark-skinned, maybe not. You don't have to worry about offending anyone if all your males dress as women and at the same time you don't have to worry about being offended if someone still uses pink and blue for their childrens' bedrooms either. I don't know why once again someone has to bring up this issue (on Twitter of course) again. Can't they just let us play happily in our little worlds and let it be?
Simburian
Rising Rookie
4 years ago
Sometimes I think that if EA/Maxis didn't shout out their backing for all these issues so loudly and put them in quietly, more players in those countries might have been able to play it.
drakharis
4 years ago
"LeGardePourpre;c-17876095" wrote:
You will note USA, UK, France and Australia aren't in the Top 5 of the safest place.

2021

Canada
The Netherlands
Sweden
Malta
Portugal

Canada has an excellent reputation for preserving human rights in general. Whether you are talking minority rights, women's rights and of course LBGTQIA+ rights. They allowed LBGTQ marriages long before America. When I lived in the heart of Greenwich Village years ago my roommate and I would go out with our neighbours as a group to go shopping because of the hate crime against the LBGTQIA+ community at the time in NYC. Greenwich Village was NYC's epicentre of those hate crimes. It still haunts me how many of our neighbours were victims of such horrific violent attacks. Nobody should be attacked bullied tortured or even killed because they are not like the majority of people around them. I hope one day America really lives up to her Constitution and everybody is treated with equality and decency we all deserve.

Yes, it's very important that the LBGTQIA+ are represented with respect.
SEREFRAS
Seasoned Hotshot
4 years ago
Actually, Canadians help all types of people, regardless of race, religion, gender or disablilities. Also, we have an excellent health care. We care more than even our American neighbors.