Debate--bring back limited time items

ICE_GRYLLZ wrote:

FluidEmotion wrote:
The only item that should remain unavailable is the Mapple store because duh...android. Maybe the Duff Racer because it was given out to those who were around at launch or whatever.

So you think the Duff Racer shouldent be given to anyone but the holiday items should?!? It's kind of damaging for all the arguments for bringing them back. "given out to those who were around at launch or whatever" is basically the same as saying given out to those who were around at Halloween or whatever.

I dont realy agree with the EA making money so it makes sense argument. It seams that people are rarely positive about ea, let alone care about them making money. You want them to make money of you because you want to buy all the limited stuff but you dont want them to make money buy charging excessively for donuts. So this argument to mee seems pretty hypocritical.

Excruciator69 wrote:
Every argument against re-releasing limited time stuff is a different permutation of the above. All of them boil down to the same thing: a warped sense of superiority and a pathetic means of enforcing self-worth.

Whats wrong with keeping limited time items limited time? I bought all the limited time stuff at Halloween thinking it was going to be limited time. i would want my money back because i dont really believe items year on year are limited as they could then come up infinite amount of times.

vixoovee wrote:
Plus, it's no secret that there are hacks that bring back the old and/or premium stuff, so having these items don't guarantee loyalty to the game at all.

Since I started playing around Valentine's I'd love to have some Halloween stuff + the cute leprachaun (that I regret I didn't get) and certainly wouldn't mind if EA brings back limited items released after my time playing TSTO.

Yeh there might be hacks but people prepared to buy donuts to get any premium items generally have integrity and wont hack and surely EA can detect that kind of behaviour or will be able to soon.

Looking on this thread the majority of people who are arguing for the re release of the limited time items do so because they joined after the events happen and this;

Excruciator69 wrote:
Every argument against re-releasing limited time stuff is a different permutation of the above. All of them boil down to the same thing: a warped sense of superiority and a pathetic means of enforcing self-worth.

could quite easily be aimed at some one saying they should bring the items back.

The events would be really boring if we just got offered up the same mechanics. I dont want to be tapping zombies, collecting santa coins, seeking love hearts and cracking snake sculls again. EA should come up with new things not re hashing old ones.

Are you on a debate team because you are a good debater?

Also I like your opinions becase I want something new during the holidays.

I don't feel the need to get every item, I get what I can and I'm happy for it.
Would I like the opportunity to get stuff I missed? Sure! But what I really want is to get the stuff I HAD. I lost Moe's Suit due to a bug and EA stopped responding to my emails. I also lost my Android town just before Whacking Day and there has been no help there either.

I really enjoy the game, but after seeing how buggy it is and how EA treats it's customers, there's no chance in hell I would spend any money on premium items, even if it was the only way to get the things I missed.

Making everything available all the time would render the game meaningless. Why play today (or more importantly from ea perspective buy donuts today) if you can do it later when you might have more time or money? Some missed out but you didn't put in the tapping time that we did either. Truthfully if there weren't limited time updates I think I would take a few months off. Been tapping way too long.

I doubt very much that next Halloween they will do the same gags. They have a lot of episodes to work with. And bringing back items like cool brown house or duff car is unlikely because they were tie-ins to premiere's of new episodes. They will have new items and over time people will be complaining that they don't have the cool stuff that today's newbies have. I like that people's towns are different.

When I look at my cemeteries I remember how much fun it was to squoosh zombies and egg and tp towns. Just buying a cemetery for decoration wouldn't be the same at all.

@ Ice... you are certainly a master debater (couldn't resist). Also, I am being completely sarcastic. Nothing you said addressed any of the points you actually quoted. Just because you quote someone and then say they are wrong doesn't mean that you are actually responding to their point. You can never have productive discourse if you just talk past someone. Nevertheless, I will try to actually respond to a couple things you said:

First, I have a hard time taking seriously that you would want your money back because a limited time item came back annually. Why? Does it change the nature of the item? It's only worth it if it is gone soon? I can see why a person may change their order of priorities based on that knowledge, but saying you would not purchase an item if it stuck around... it just rings false to me.

Second: Most of the people who complain that new items should be released on holidays instead start from a false premise: That re-releasing old content and releasing new content are mutually exclusive. Presumably developers could simply reintroduce old code at the same time they made new code with relatively little additional effort.

Third and lastly: Your criticism that a "warped sense of superiority" is the driving force in both sides of the debate is simply ridiculous. In order for a warped sense of superiority to be the driving force, it has to result in your being distinguished in a some manner (hence superior). The argument that content should be made available for all is actually motivated by the completely antithetical motive to superiority - that all players should have equal opportunity regardless of when they started. This is not to say that the argument is correct, but it is clearly not motivated by the same thing... the arguments (aside from being about stuff) are opposite.

The only thing you actually clarified in your entire post was your dire need for a spelling lesson.

I'll say it again, I have everything from Christmas until now except for Lugashes and the Open Air Stage cause right now I'm saving my donuts and since they're staying around, I'll hold on to them for a while yet.

I just want my Cool Brown House and Cool Homer since that's when I started playing but apparently didn't level up fast enough for it to be offered. Thinking of starting a ticket with EA over it since I don't really want to hypothetically "hack" the game just to get it. Not that I would anyway. EA helped with my Respectable Moe costume that went missing, maybe they can back track when I first started playing and get what I've wanted all along. As much as I would want the Halloween and Black Hole stuff, fairly, I wasn't playing, I shouldn't have them. That's my argument.

My 2¢. I realize that there are a lot of you that are long time players and don't think us "newbies" deserve the cool stuff. Well news flash for you, not all of us play on an apple device. I've had an Android tablet for a year now and have never even heard of this game until February . Simply because it took EA a stinking year to release it on Android. So get off your high horse and quit being so juvenile. The rest of us should have just as much a chance at the cool stuff. EA is missing an opportunity here. No wonder there are so many hacks out there.

If this game had come out on Android first, you'd be the one complaining now.

Durgon8tr wrote:
My 2¢. I realize that there are a lot of you that are long time players and don't think us "newbies" deserve the cool stuff. Well news flash for you, not all of us play on an apple device. I've had an Android tablet for a year now and have never even heard of this game until February . Simply because it took EA a stinking year to release it on Android. So get off your high horse and quit being so juvenile. The rest of us should have just as much a chance at the cool stuff. EA is missing an opportunity here. No wonder there are so many hacks out there.

If this game had come out on Android first, you'd be the one complaining now.

I do have to agree with this. :(
Much as I hate to admit someone with Android might be right. j/k, actually totally agree. :mrgreen:

ICE_GRYLLZ wrote:

FluidEmotion wrote:
The only item that should remain unavailable is the Mapple store because duh...android. Maybe the Duff Racer because it was given out to those who were around at launch or whatever.

So you think the Duff Racer shouldent be given to anyone but the holiday items should?!? It's kind of damaging for all the arguments for bringing them back. "given out to those who were around at launch or whatever" is basically the same as saying given out to those who were around at Halloween or whatever.

I dont realy agree with the EA making money so it makes sense argument. It seams that people are rarely positive about ea, let alone care about them making money. You want them to make money of you because you want to buy all the limited stuff but you dont want them to make money buy charging excessively for donuts. So this argument to mee seems pretty hypocritical.

You got a long post of nonsense going here (this is just an extract). I'll just start with saying that if you want to be taken seriously in a debate, try to start out with qouting the right person atleast... Here you go:

Linky2g wrote:
The only item that should remain unavailable is the Mapple store because duh...android. Maybe the Duff Racer because it was given out to those who were around at launch or whatever.

But I am all aboard with what Excruciator69 has already said and answered in this thread. I don't see the need of rephrasing to once again say similar things. I'll just quote his answers to you (ICE_GRYLLZ), and add my +1.

Excruciator69 wrote:

dominic115 wrote:
I don't want them back, we played first, we got the items, it shows we were early players. Just because 1/2 of you don't have one of the items you want it back because you want to have everything.

Every argument against re-releasing limited time stuff is a different permutation of the above. All of them boil down to the same thing: a warped sense of superiority and a pathetic means of enforcing self-worth. Nobody cares if you were an early player. You know you were an early player. Is that not good enough?

Thus far, nobody really has an authentic argument against re-releasing old content in some form.

It really seems that having renewing opportunity to obtain older items and a hope for new players to eventually have all the cool stuff they see in other people's Springfields far outweighs the non-existent benefits of massaging the ego of dominic115 and those like him. If I was EA I would be very interested in making sure newer players that decide to be completionists would have opportunities to obtain old stuff and get close to 100%.

Spirit of inclusion > "I Was Here First" Vigorous Ego Stroking

It you would quit the game because new players could get a chance to have the Duff Racer or Moe's Suit and you'd lose precious inches in the unzip-and-measure contest I highly recommend putting down the iPad and reassessing the point of games like this one. Games that don't have winners and losers. You'd don't win if you have Cool Brown House and some guy from Ohio who just saved up enough to buy a new device and started playing TSTO does not and never will. I know it feels like you're better than them but in reality you are anything but.

(I have every item so it's not that I am advocating limited time items returning for my Springfield.)

How about releasing episode specific content that was free for season 24 with a code included in the purchase of the DVD's or Blu-Rays?

@ICE_GRYLLZ: As I see it you didn't manage to address Excruciator69 properly in your next post either.

@Excruciator69: Unless you are being "ironical", I think you misjudged something in one of the posts. I actually think that dcadamb is addressing ICE_GRYLLZ with his praise of good debating. Now given that ICE_GRYLLZ addresses and quotes the wrong people, I can't possibly understand his praise. Even his arguments are mostly bad, in my opinion. Anyway, you -> Excruciator69 rightly deserves praise for good debating skills. You make valid points of which I wholeheartedly agree on. And you really found your arguements on a solid base. Even if I were to disagree with your points, which I don't, you bring forth your points in a very good and convincing manner.