Is Anyone Else Surprised...
Very one sided and agenda driven, yes...... :wink:
Forum Discussion
TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
You just informed me in no uncertain terms that anyone who has a problem with the quest is, in your opinion, a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'm not. So who's taking blind stabs in the dark?TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Sounds like you're the one being self-righteous here. I'm not complaining that the game made fun of the NRA, but the way in which the game did it, which is out of the ordinary for the series' usual tone.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Not what I said. This isn't about whether I agree with the sentiment or not. 'Humor' this clumsy isn't in the spirit of the show whoever the target is.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, blacks, Asians, old people, fat people, Scots, potheads, liberals, Italians, Indians, Romanians, Hispanics, blondes, hillbillies, drunks, gays, Irish are all OK, but gun owners are beneath them. :roll:
2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. And if it was, people should be complaining about other jokes put in TSTO. So since that hasn't happened, it is about gun owners' self-righteousness.
OK, let me start over. 2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. So the majority had no problem with the way it was done.
And since you mentioned it, I'm a Christian, Scot, Irish, and a liberal. So if I was as self-righteous as you claim, I would be bothered with how Flanders, Lovejoy, Willie, Quimby, and O'Flanagan are represented in the game. But that isn't the case.
Care to take any more blind stabs in the dark.
2/3 of the people who responded a poll had no problem with the humor. And how is that evidence of anything at all?
I would say that the majority of the people who have commented on this 13 page long thread also don't have a problem with the humour either. The evidence may not be scientific but it's all we have and it's all pointing to most people not being offended at all by this quest line.
Do you have any evidence to prove the contrary, other than the minority of people voicing frustration in comment boards??Keys1980 wrote:
erik319 wrote:
Cup of tea, anyone? :D
I'm assuming this was an attempt to break the tension. All you succeeded in doing is getting me to think "I kind of have a chill right now and would love a tea". I got up and water is on the boil right now.
Good lookin out.
I was wondering if this was a tea party reference.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
I am not a gun owner. So your your point is invalid. What I am objecting to is the way in which this issue was handled: if any other group had been given the same hamfisted treatment I would find it just as distasteful, because it's weak, lazy writing.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
You just informed me in no uncertain terms that anyone who has a problem with the quest is, in your opinion, a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'm not. So who's taking blind stabs in the dark?TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Sounds like you're the one being self-righteous here. I'm not complaining that the game made fun of the NRA, but the way in which the game did it, which is out of the ordinary for the series' usual tone.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Not what I said. This isn't about whether I agree with the sentiment or not. 'Humor' this clumsy isn't in the spirit of the show whoever the target is.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, blacks, Asians, old people, fat people, Scots, potheads, liberals, Italians, Indians, Romanians, Hispanics, blondes, hillbillies, drunks, gays, Irish are all OK, but gun owners are beneath them. :roll:
2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. And if it was, people should be complaining about other jokes put in TSTO. So since that hasn't happened, it is about gun owners' self-righteousness.
OK, let me start over. 2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. So the majority had no problem with the way it was done.
And since you mentioned it, I'm a Christian, Scot, Irish, and a liberal. So if I was as self-righteous as you claim, I would be bothered with how Flanders, Lovejoy, Willie, Quimby, and O'Flanagan are represented in the game. But that isn't the case.
Care to take any more blind stabs in the dark.
2/3 of the people who responded a poll had no problem with the humor. And how is that evidence of anything at all?
When you don't object to anything else the Simpsons do until they lampoon gun owners, you are self-righteous.
Then you're either a liar or too scared to admit your true reason in disliking it. Both of which would be more believable than someone having a problem with the humor displayed by The Simpsons. If that disturbs you, try reading some Wayne LaPierre quotes.jordinm302 wrote:
I don't really care about the numbers: my point is that it doesn't prove what he seems to think it does. He seems to take it to be evidence that this is good satire, and that anyone who dislikes it is a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'd tend to think that it's better evidence that the people who responded to the poll agreed with the quests's sentiment to the point that they don't care about the ham-fisted writing. Some people like being told they're right. I think that bad writing is bad writing. And I really don't appreciate the 'if you're not with us you're agin' us' implications of the assumption that I must be a gun owner if I don't like the quest's writing.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
You just informed me in no uncertain terms that anyone who has a problem with the quest is, in your opinion, a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'm not. So who's taking blind stabs in the dark?TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Sounds like you're the one being self-righteous here. I'm not complaining that the game made fun of the NRA, but the way in which the game did it, which is out of the ordinary for the series' usual tone.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Not what I said. This isn't about whether I agree with the sentiment or not. 'Humor' this clumsy isn't in the spirit of the show whoever the target is.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, blacks, Asians, old people, fat people, Scots, potheads, liberals, Italians, Indians, Romanians, Hispanics, blondes, hillbillies, drunks, gays, Irish are all OK, but gun owners are beneath them. :roll:
2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. And if it was, people should be complaining about other jokes put in TSTO. So since that hasn't happened, it is about gun owners' self-righteousness.
OK, let me start over. 2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. So the majority had no problem with the way it was done.
And since you mentioned it, I'm a Christian, Scot, Irish, and a liberal. So if I was as self-righteous as you claim, I would be bothered with how Flanders, Lovejoy, Willie, Quimby, and O'Flanagan are represented in the game. But that isn't the case.
Care to take any more blind stabs in the dark.
2/3 of the people who responded a poll had no problem with the humor. And how is that evidence of anything at all?
I would say that the majority of the people who have commented on this 13 page long thread also don't have a problem with the humour either. The evidence may not be scientific but it's all we have and it's all pointing to most people not being offended at all by this quest line.
Do you have any evidence to prove the contrary, other than the minority of people voicing frustration in comment boards??LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
There you are again: self-righteousness.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
I am not a gun owner. So your your point is invalid. What I am objecting to is the way in which this issue was handled: if any other group had been given the same hamfisted treatment I would find it just as distasteful, because it's weak, lazy writing.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
You just informed me in no uncertain terms that anyone who has a problem with the quest is, in your opinion, a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'm not. So who's taking blind stabs in the dark?TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Sounds like you're the one being self-righteous here. I'm not complaining that the game made fun of the NRA, but the way in which the game did it, which is out of the ordinary for the series' usual tone.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Not what I said. This isn't about whether I agree with the sentiment or not. 'Humor' this clumsy isn't in the spirit of the show whoever the target is.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, blacks, Asians, old people, fat people, Scots, potheads, liberals, Italians, Indians, Romanians, Hispanics, blondes, hillbillies, drunks, gays, Irish are all OK, but gun owners are beneath them. :roll:
2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. And if it was, people should be complaining about other jokes put in TSTO. So since that hasn't happened, it is about gun owners' self-righteousness.
OK, let me start over. 2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. So the majority had no problem with the way it was done.
And since you mentioned it, I'm a Christian, Scot, Irish, and a liberal. So if I was as self-righteous as you claim, I would be bothered with how Flanders, Lovejoy, Willie, Quimby, and O'Flanagan are represented in the game. But that isn't the case.
Care to take any more blind stabs in the dark.
2/3 of the people who responded a poll had no problem with the humor. And how is that evidence of anything at all?
When you don't object to anything else the Simpsons do until they lampoon gun owners, you are self-righteous.
Then you're either a liar or too scared to admit your true reason in disliking it. Both of which would be more believable than someone having a problem with the humor displayed by The Simpsons. If that disturbs you, try reading some Wayne LaPierre quotes.TaraInDC wrote:
I don't really care about the numbers: my point is that it doesn't prove what he seems to think it does. He seems to take it to be evidence that this is good satire, and that anyone who dislikes it is a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'd tend to think that it's better evidence that the people who responded to the poll agreed with the quests's sentiment to the point that they don't care about the ham-fisted writing. Some people like being told they're right. I think that bad writing is bad writing. And I really don't appreciate the 'if you're not with us you're agin' us' implications of the assumption that I must be a gun owner if I don't like the quest's writing.
There you are again: self-righteousness.
I think you need to look up the term self-righteous.LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
I think you do. I'll say it again: have you seen "Cartridge Family?" That was good satire. This was not. How do you reconcile your unfounded claims about my political views with the fact that I liked the former and not the latter?I don't really care about the numbers: my point is that it doesn't prove what he seems to think it does. He seems to take it to be evidence that this is good satire, and that anyone who dislikes it is a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'd tend to think that it's better evidence that the people who responded to the poll agreed with the quests's sentiment to the point that they don't care about the ham-fisted writing. Some people like being told they're right. I think that bad writing is bad writing. And I really don't appreciate the 'if you're not with us you're agin' us' implications of the assumption that I must be a gun owner if I don't like the quest's writing.
There you are again: self-righteousness.
I think you need to look up the term self-righteous.TaraInDC wrote:
jordinm302 wrote:
I don't really care about the numbers: my point is that it doesn't prove what he seems to think it does. He seems to take it to be evidence that this is good satire, and that anyone who dislikes it is a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'd tend to think that it's better evidence that the people who responded to the poll agreed with the quests's sentiment to the point that they don't care about the ham-fisted writing. Some people like being told they're right. I think that bad writing is bad writing. And I really don't appreciate the 'if you're not with us you're agin' us' implications of the assumption that I must be a gun owner if I don't like the quest's writing.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
You just informed me in no uncertain terms that anyone who has a problem with the quest is, in your opinion, a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'm not. So who's taking blind stabs in the dark?TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Sounds like you're the one being self-righteous here. I'm not complaining that the game made fun of the NRA, but the way in which the game did it, which is out of the ordinary for the series' usual tone.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Not what I said. This isn't about whether I agree with the sentiment or not. 'Humor' this clumsy isn't in the spirit of the show whoever the target is.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, blacks, Asians, old people, fat people, Scots, potheads, liberals, Italians, Indians, Romanians, Hispanics, blondes, hillbillies, drunks, gays, Irish are all OK, but gun owners are beneath them. :roll:
2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. And if it was, people should be complaining about other jokes put in TSTO. So since that hasn't happened, it is about gun owners' self-righteousness.
OK, let me start over. 2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. So the majority had no problem with the way it was done.
And since you mentioned it, I'm a Christian, Scot, Irish, and a liberal. So if I was as self-righteous as you claim, I would be bothered with how Flanders, Lovejoy, Willie, Quimby, and O'Flanagan are represented in the game. But that isn't the case.
Care to take any more blind stabs in the dark.
2/3 of the people who responded a poll had no problem with the humor. And how is that evidence of anything at all?
I would say that the majority of the people who have commented on this 13 page long thread also don't have a problem with the humour either. The evidence may not be scientific but it's all we have and it's all pointing to most people not being offended at all by this quest line.
Do you have any evidence to prove the contrary, other than the minority of people voicing frustration in comment boards??
I just find it interesting that after 30 levels of game play over the course of over a year that this is the first and only quest line that has generated this level of dialogue. If the overall 'outrage' isn't about the gun issue than I would say it's a very large coincidence that the quality of writing has all of a sudden dropped for this particular quest. I don't pretend to know what your personal motivations are with regards to the overall quality of writing in this or any other quest line. To me the writing seems generally consistent with the tone that the game has set to this point.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
I think you do. I'll say it again: have you seen "Cartridge Family?" That was good satire. This was not. How do you reconcile your unfounded claims about my political views with the fact that I liked the former and not the latter?I don't really care about the numbers: my point is that it doesn't prove what he seems to think it does. He seems to take it to be evidence that this is good satire, and that anyone who dislikes it is a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'd tend to think that it's better evidence that the people who responded to the poll agreed with the quests's sentiment to the point that they don't care about the ham-fisted writing. Some people like being told they're right. I think that bad writing is bad writing. And I really don't appreciate the 'if you're not with us you're agin' us' implications of the assumption that I must be a gun owner if I don't like the quest's writing.
There you are again: self-righteousness.
I think you need to look up the term self-righteous.
So your problem is the writing. We're at level 30 with writing at every level, plus side quest for characters and buildings. If the writing was the problem, where was all the whining during the other quests? If it's the writing, this shouldn't be an isolated incident. And if you like the Cartridge Family, but not the writing here, you need to see some of the stuff the NRA has put out between now and then.jordinm302 wrote:
I think it says more about the writer than about the readership: the person writing that quest seems to have taken it as an opportunity to use the game as a soapbox, and they did it in an eye-rollingly unsubtle way. They should have taken the show as a model for this, rather than just making ridiculously OTT comments about children sleeping under blankets of guns. I find that kind of soapboxing a turnoff no matter what the issue is: good political satire is a lot harder than just saying negative things about your target. The names of the bills were what got on my nerves the most. Well, that and the reactions I'm seeing here from some people to any criticism of the quest line. I'm not saying that none of the people who complained are gun owners, only that that's not the only reason to dislike the quest.TaraInDC wrote:
jordinm302 wrote:
I don't really care about the numbers: my point is that it doesn't prove what he seems to think it does. He seems to take it to be evidence that this is good satire, and that anyone who dislikes it is a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'd tend to think that it's better evidence that the people who responded to the poll agreed with the quests's sentiment to the point that they don't care about the ham-fisted writing. Some people like being told they're right. I think that bad writing is bad writing. And I really don't appreciate the 'if you're not with us you're agin' us' implications of the assumption that I must be a gun owner if I don't like the quest's writing.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
You just informed me in no uncertain terms that anyone who has a problem with the quest is, in your opinion, a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'm not. So who's taking blind stabs in the dark?TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Sounds like you're the one being self-righteous here. I'm not complaining that the game made fun of the NRA, but the way in which the game did it, which is out of the ordinary for the series' usual tone.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Not what I said. This isn't about whether I agree with the sentiment or not. 'Humor' this clumsy isn't in the spirit of the show whoever the target is.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, blacks, Asians, old people, fat people, Scots, potheads, liberals, Italians, Indians, Romanians, Hispanics, blondes, hillbillies, drunks, gays, Irish are all OK, but gun owners are beneath them. :roll:
2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. And if it was, people should be complaining about other jokes put in TSTO. So since that hasn't happened, it is about gun owners' self-righteousness.
OK, let me start over. 2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. So the majority had no problem with the way it was done.
And since you mentioned it, I'm a Christian, Scot, Irish, and a liberal. So if I was as self-righteous as you claim, I would be bothered with how Flanders, Lovejoy, Willie, Quimby, and O'Flanagan are represented in the game. But that isn't the case.
Care to take any more blind stabs in the dark.
2/3 of the people who responded a poll had no problem with the humor. And how is that evidence of anything at all?
I would say that the majority of the people who have commented on this 13 page long thread also don't have a problem with the humour either. The evidence may not be scientific but it's all we have and it's all pointing to most people not being offended at all by this quest line.
Do you have any evidence to prove the contrary, other than the minority of people voicing frustration in comment boards??
I just find it interesting that after 30 levels of game play over the course of over a year that this is the first and only quest line that has generated this level of dialogue. If the overall 'outrage' isn't about the gun issue than I would say it's a very large coincidence that the quality of writing has all of a sudden dropped for this particular quest. I don't pretend to know what your personal motivations are with regards to the overall quality of writing in this or any other quest line. To me the writing seems generally consistent with the tone that the game has set to this point.TaraInDC wrote:
jordinm302 wrote:
I think it says more about the writer than about the readership: the person writing that quest seems to have taken it as an opportunity to use the game as a soapbox, and they did it in an eye-rollingly unsubtle way. They should have taken the show as a model for this, rather than just making ridiculously OTT comments about children sleeping under blankets of guns. I find that kind of soapboxing a turnoff no matter what the issue is: good political satire is a lot harder than just saying negative things about your target. The names of the bills were what got on my nerves the most. Well, that and the reactions I'm seeing here from some people to any criticism of the quest line. I'm not saying that none of the people who complained are gun owners, only that that's not the only reason to dislike the quest.TaraInDC wrote:
jordinm302 wrote:
I don't really care about the numbers: my point is that it doesn't prove what he seems to think it does. He seems to take it to be evidence that this is good satire, and that anyone who dislikes it is a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'd tend to think that it's better evidence that the people who responded to the poll agreed with the quests's sentiment to the point that they don't care about the ham-fisted writing. Some people like being told they're right. I think that bad writing is bad writing. And I really don't appreciate the 'if you're not with us you're agin' us' implications of the assumption that I must be a gun owner if I don't like the quest's writing.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
You just informed me in no uncertain terms that anyone who has a problem with the quest is, in your opinion, a 'self-righteous gun owner.' I'm not. So who's taking blind stabs in the dark?TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Sounds like you're the one being self-righteous here. I'm not complaining that the game made fun of the NRA, but the way in which the game did it, which is out of the ordinary for the series' usual tone.TaraInDC wrote:
LusciousJohnnyD wrote:
Not what I said. This isn't about whether I agree with the sentiment or not. 'Humor' this clumsy isn't in the spirit of the show whoever the target is.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, blacks, Asians, old people, fat people, Scots, potheads, liberals, Italians, Indians, Romanians, Hispanics, blondes, hillbillies, drunks, gays, Irish are all OK, but gun owners are beneath them. :roll:
2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. And if it was, people should be complaining about other jokes put in TSTO. So since that hasn't happened, it is about gun owners' self-righteousness.
OK, let me start over. 2/3 of the people who play this game didn't have a problem with the humor. So the majority had no problem with the way it was done.
And since you mentioned it, I'm a Christian, Scot, Irish, and a liberal. So if I was as self-righteous as you claim, I would be bothered with how Flanders, Lovejoy, Willie, Quimby, and O'Flanagan are represented in the game. But that isn't the case.
Care to take any more blind stabs in the dark.
2/3 of the people who responded a poll had no problem with the humor. And how is that evidence of anything at all?
I would say that the majority of the people who have commented on this 13 page long thread also don't have a problem with the humour either. The evidence may not be scientific but it's all we have and it's all pointing to most people not being offended at all by this quest line.
Do you have any evidence to prove the contrary, other than the minority of people voicing frustration in comment boards??
I just find it interesting that after 30 levels of game play over the course of over a year that this is the first and only quest line that has generated this level of dialogue. If the overall 'outrage' isn't about the gun issue than I would say it's a very large coincidence that the quality of writing has all of a sudden dropped for this particular quest. I don't pretend to know what your personal motivations are with regards to the overall quality of writing in this or any other quest line. To me the writing seems generally consistent with the tone that the game has set to this point.
I'd like to hear you explain how children sleeping under a blanket of guns more unsubtle than using a gun to open a can of beer or turn off the lights.
