Interior Car Reflections need to be fully disabled/removed for now.
Please remove them completely, and preferably in a hotfix asap before next month's patch, until perhaps a less obnoxious solution with far lower performance impact can be added later. Defaulting C...
@pyide_maybe you did not follow the work-around directions. It really does disable reflections. Start a rally. Pause game on start line. Set reflections to low. Resume game fully. Re-pause game. Set reflections to ultra low. Resume game. No more reflections at all
Each of those runs seen in those last two videos I started out with Car Reflections already on Very Low when loading the stage, paused and switched to Low after starting the stage, pause and switched back to Very Low. That's the process I've always used to "disable" the default reflections and bypass the glitch seen in the op video link, but after playing more cars and more stages, I noticed how completely broken these disabled reflections were in this whole other way.
I just clipped first few steps out of the record to save time in encoding and uploading, but left in the part where I switched back to Low a second time, to show that those broken specular reflections you get from doing all this don't move with the head turning like they do on Very Low after "disabling" then the standard way.
If you're not seeing this behavior much at all, it's probably just the car combo and lighting of the stages you're doing that's not making it not as obvious. Like I said, some cars it's way worse than others, and the lighting conditions affecting the car interior itself at the time will make it worse or better when you flip flop through the settings. Some cars you won't even see it at all if you don't move your head or use the closer to the windshield dash camera, others it takes up a lot of the windshield all the time. Experiment a bit and you'll see. I haven't done any builder cars, it may not be a problem in those at all, apparently the auto-exposure doesn't affect those cars like it does the rest. So try some of the various classes and manufacturers, too.
Anyway, on a night stage in Croatia for example, if you flip reflections near the street lights (which I did in the first video at the starting line), you'll get brighter specular reflections like that plastered on the interior going from very low > low > very low, if you do it away from any lighting they'll be almost invisible, but still there. Always there.
Anyway, this BS is a whole other issue from the main reflection implementation being busted. What's happening whens switching reflection quality on the fly is probably an unintentional side effect that they aren't even aware of.
Back to the core issue at hand, the default reflection implementation needs to be stripped out entirely. Doesn't matter that you can "break" them with this hackaround, it's not an actual solution for all cars and lighting conditions. Occasionally it makes things even worse, and still doesn't seem to touch the door window reflections, either.
This was just as bad by default or doing the quality setting flip-flops. Some cars and lighting setups are just brutal with windshield reflections that make zero sense, the stuff in the clip isn't even nearly as bad as it can get in some vehicles, just happened to be recording this time.
They all have to be removed for now - it's the only fix that is guaranteed to work across the board.
Patch 1.4.0, the latest Moment (Classic RWD Legend / Hillman Avenger / Chile)
Look at this garbage:
This insanity has got to stop. There's always some car and lighting setup where the interior reflections are broken, physically impossible, immersion breaking, absolutely annoying and unrealistic.
PLEASE LET US TURN THEM OFF!
They're just as bad here on ultra (pictured) or very low, you gotta let us get rid of this trash on our end since it's clear you cannot get them functioning properly on yours. It continually ruins the cockpit experience. Please end this nonsense once and for all, one way or another. It's beyond demoralizing at this point.
Just saw this video on the WRC discord. Saves me having to make my own.
Bonnet reflections onto the windscreen are awful and need to be deleted.
Ditto for stuff like gear shifters, instruments etc, they are so low res and ugly, no one is gonna miss them if they were removed for good.
The real killer is pedals tho. How on earth can your frickin pedals get reflected into the windscreen. There's a dashboard in between!!! Plus they look absolutely terrible.
Get rid of this crap please. At least an option.
The only reflections i don't mind is a little bit from the top of the dashboard.
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Car Reflections need to be fully disabled/removed for now.","id":"message:8397732","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":16,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:279062"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:wrc-technical-issues-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:8397732"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8397732"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":" Please remove them completely, and preferably in a hotfix asap before next month's patch, until perhaps a less obnoxious solution with far lower performance impact can be added later. 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Please remove them completely, and preferably in a hotfix asap before next month's patch, until perhaps a less obnoxious solution with far lower performance impact can be added later.
Defaulting Car Reflections to Medium on the High and Ultra preset is not a fix for the negative performance issue. Doesn't help with how they fake and opaque they appear on screen, either. Very Low reflections are still fully broken, and anyone can bypass the severity of the more distracting reflection visuals on Low and above by removing the wheel+hands from cockpit view. Doing that is almost like disabling them, but you still don't get any performance improvement. It's just not projecting the hands, arms+wheel on the windshield.
There's just no consistency there at all, and the performance of them being forced on is no doubt impacting the game's performance on consoles which are still suffering as well. Please get rid of them quickly, this is what should have been done in the last update. Instead, focus some effort into other immersion breaking issues from cockpit view, like how there's zero need to use wipers in snowfall, and rain barely impacts the windshield, too. The auto-exposure still needs to be removed in all vehicles and every location after 1.3.0 as well.
Interior reflections should not incur a much larger performance hit than full on ray traced reflections have in entire scenes in other games on similar hardware. They are absolutely broken.
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No, I did it correctly.
Each of those runs seen in those last two videos I started out with Car Reflections already on Very Low when loading the stage, paused and switched to Low after starting the stage, pause and switched back to Very Low. That's the process I've always used to \"disable\" the default reflections and bypass the glitch seen in the op video link, but after playing more cars and more stages, I noticed how completely broken these disabled reflections were in this whole other way.
I just clipped first few steps out of the record to save time in encoding and uploading, but left in the part where I switched back to Low a second time, to show that those broken specular reflections you get from doing all this don't move with the head turning like they do on Very Low after \"disabling\" then the standard way.
If you're not seeing this behavior much at all, it's probably just the car combo and lighting of the stages you're doing that's not making it not as obvious. Like I said, some cars it's way worse than others, and the lighting conditions affecting the car interior itself at the time will make it worse or better when you flip flop through the settings. Some cars you won't even see it at all if you don't move your head or use the closer to the windshield dash camera, others it takes up a lot of the windshield all the time. Experiment a bit and you'll see. I haven't done any builder cars, it may not be a problem in those at all, apparently the auto-exposure doesn't affect those cars like it does the rest. So try some of the various classes and manufacturers, too.
Anyway, on a night stage in Croatia for example, if you flip reflections near the street lights (which I did in the first video at the starting line), you'll get brighter specular reflections like that plastered on the interior going from very low > low > very low, if you do it away from any lighting they'll be almost invisible, but still there. Always there.
Anyway, this BS is a whole other issue from the main reflection implementation being busted. What's happening whens switching reflection quality on the fly is probably an unintentional side effect that they aren't even aware of.
Back to the core issue at hand, the default reflection implementation needs to be stripped out entirely. Doesn't matter that you can \"break\" them with this hackaround, it's not an actual solution for all cars and lighting conditions. Occasionally it makes things even worse, and still doesn't seem to touch the door window reflections, either.
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No, I did it correctly.
Each of those runs seen in those last two videos I started out with Car Reflections already on Very Low when loading the stage, paused and switched to Low after starting the stage, pause and switched back to Very Low. That's the process I've always used to \"disable\" the default reflections and bypass the glitch seen in the op video link, but after playing more cars and more stages, I noticed how completely broken these disabled reflections were in this whole other way.
I just clipped first few steps out of the record to save time in encoding and uploading, but left in the part where I switched back to Low a second time, to show that those broken specular reflections you get from doing all this don't move with the head turning like they do on Very Low after \"disabling\" then the standard way.
If you're not seeing this behavior much at all, it's probably just the car combo and lighting of the stages you're doing that's not making it not as obvious. Like I said, some cars it's way worse than others, and the lighting conditions affecting the car interior itself at the time will make it worse or better when you flip flop through the settings. Some cars you won't even see it at all if you don't move your head or use the closer to the windshield dash camera, others it takes up a lot of the windshield all the time. Experiment a bit and you'll see. I haven't done any builder cars, it may not be a problem in those at all, apparently the auto-exposure doesn't affect those cars like it does the rest. So try some of the various classes and manufacturers, too.
Anyway, on a night stage in Croatia for example, if you flip reflections near the street lights (which I did in the first video at the starting line), you'll get brighter specular reflections like that plastered on the interior going from very low > low > very low, if you do it away from any lighting they'll be almost invisible, but still there. Always there.
Anyway, this BS is a whole other issue from the main reflection implementation being busted. What's happening whens switching reflection quality on the fly is probably an unintentional side effect that they aren't even aware of.
Back to the core issue at hand, the default reflection implementation needs to be stripped out entirely. Doesn't matter that you can \"break\" them with this hackaround, it's not an actual solution for all cars and lighting conditions. Occasionally it makes things even worse, and still doesn't seem to touch the door window reflections, either.
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This was just as bad by default or doing the quality setting flip-flops. Some cars and lighting setups are just brutal with windshield reflections that make zero sense, the stuff in the clip isn't even nearly as bad as it can get in some vehicles, just happened to be recording this time.
They all have to be removed for now - it's the only fix that is guaranteed to work across the board.
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Patch 1.4.0, the latest Moment (Classic RWD Legend / Hillman Avenger / Chile)
Look at this garbage:
This insanity has got to stop. There's always some car and lighting setup where the interior reflections are broken, physically impossible, immersion breaking, absolutely annoying and unrealistic.
PLEASE LET US TURN THEM OFF!
They're just as bad here on ultra (pictured) or very low, you gotta let us get rid of this trash on our end since it's clear you cannot get them functioning properly on yours. It continually ruins the cockpit experience. Please end this nonsense once and for all, one way or another. It's beyond demoralizing at this point.
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Just saw this video on the WRC discord. Saves me having to make my own.
Bonnet reflections onto the windscreen are awful and need to be deleted.
Ditto for stuff like gear shifters, instruments etc, they are so low res and ugly, no one is gonna miss them if they were removed for good.
The real killer is pedals tho. How on earth can your frickin pedals get reflected into the windscreen. There's a dashboard in between!!! Plus they look absolutely terrible.
Get rid of this crap please. At least an option.
The only reflections i don't mind is a little bit from the top of the dashboard.