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DarthValtrex
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5 years ago

Re: Controllers

@dabbnsports I thought I replied to this must have accidentally closed it. Here is a link to the TOS and it does explain what is viewed as cheating. https://help.ea.com/en-us/help/apex-legends/apex-legends/play-by-the-rules-in-apex-legends/

If you scroll to the section that states Don't cheat in game. You will see they state cheating can include but is not limited to third party software.

Mods on your controller that take over functions or actions for you, I think would be cheating. So using things that rapid fire single weapons for you, mods that reduce or eliminate gun recoil and so on.

If you want to stay safe I would not use any third party software or mods on the controller. Now using an elite type of controller that has paddles and simply mapping buttons to those paddles would not be cheating. That is simply moving one buttons functions to the paddle. For example I have crouch/slide/jump mapped to the paddles on my controller.

Keep in mind compatible simply means it works with the game, it does NOT mean it's approved by EA to be used in the game. Those are two entirely different things.

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  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @DarthValtrex Shoot one biggest streamers in the game on console brags about his strike packs and extra paddles and such. I doubt anything will be done to restore the balance of the game to its original state. Instead we just gonna allow players to mod everything to be better at the game.
  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC You can have extra paddles without being a cheater. I have the PS paddles and having jump and crouch underneath is nice.
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    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago

    @hayhorYea i get that. Thing is though. A mod is a mod. A third party application to gain an advantage over others (those who don't use mods) is by their TOS punishable offense. They either need to change this or stop the grey area bs and come out and say hey this is allowed this isn't.

    Why should players take the risk of devs not relaying proper information on what is allowed what isn't. Then when banned some the team is like uhh you know why. Giving zero direction giving zero reasons. This is because grey areas exist.

    While I don't care about controllers or what they have or use they need to go change up the TOS or make it more clarified. 

  • DarthValtrex's avatar
    DarthValtrex
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC I think the TOS is good, it being vague them gives them a ton of flexibility in enforcement. When you have things clearly defined it's easier for people to create something that does not fit into that specific definition.

    But when it's vague and says No cheating or has the "but is not limited to" if people start using some kind of cheat that's not specifically defined, they can still take action.

    There is one famous streamer who says he cheats and jokes about it but he does not.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @DarthValtrex Well problem with this is that what about innocents who had zero idea because the TOS doesn't state that its wrong. What if someone adds something then banned for adding it to controller when the TOS doesn't say you cant use it or can.

    This leads to huge backlash to a company. This means they potentially are banning accounts of some who spent thousands because the TOS doesn't state its wrong. Grey areas can not be a thing in business. This is a business. You cant operate at those levels and expect players to follow you.
  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC If I was the OP I would not buy anything that is easily programmable for macros. Personally I see nothing wrong with buying an official back button from Sony or an Elite controller from Microsoft.
  • DarthValtrex's avatar
    DarthValtrex
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC Third party software is third party software. I get what you're saying but people know when they are doing something they should not be. They have plenty of avenues to find out as well.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @DarthValtrex But there is not plenty of Avenues. There is the TOS only. There is no dev stating this or that cant be used. There is no dev saying this or that is punishable. It is a completely grey area. There is no information on it. People don't want to go by what players say on reddit or these forums. They want to go by what the devs consider ok and not ok.

    Wanna know why none of it is dealt with? Because nearly every big streamer would be banned for modding the game mechanics. They are scared of losing that player base and it would be a lot. I have very keen eye. I know exactly what to look for and have found on some very big streamers.

    When your on mouse and keyboard and you get to the lobby and see a controller icon.... Boom this streamer is using Xim to grant himself aim assist. Mods are mods no grey areas can be here.
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    DarthValtrex
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    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC If the problem is that big, suspend the accounts for a few weeks. If they come back using the mods again perma ban them. Yeah it might hit the player population a bit, but the long term health of the game would be better off. I know dozens of people who don't play online games anymore because they burnt out on the cheating. Now whether it was the fact they just were not good or it was cheating who knows? Probably some combination of the two.

    If someone is unaware if something is cheating they can ask here. I think most people know what is and is not cheating.

    Banning a famous streamer is not that big of deal if they are caught cheating. There are millions of people playing apex, hundreds of thousands itching to be the next big star. I think if a streamer was busted doing it, they would not hesitate to ban them. They made over 400 master-predator players sit out all of season 7.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @DarthValtrex The problem is though. These players know morally what they are doing is wrong.

    I honestly just wanna see how good these people are with no mods helping them at all. Anyone can beam someone with aim assist. Most certainly on m/k. It is sickening to me to see some be called pros when they need assistance to even hit a shot. 8
  • dabbnsports's avatar
    dabbnsports
    5 years ago

    Okay so we have clearly identified there is a ton of grey area here. Which sucks, the controller I was looking at allowed for customized skins and I built a really cool apex skin for it, im a graphic designer for a living. 

    That being said, can any of you make recommendations on controllers? And maybe some aiming tips to help with overall gameplay. 

    Apex is my first FPS on console, last FPS i Played was battlefield 2 on pc in 05-06. Sometimes I lazer beam and sometimes I'm spinning in circles looking at the sky. I adjusted my FOV, max seemed weird so I went down to 90 and been slowly adjusting up towards max. And I have my ADS set to low. 

  • dabbnsports's avatar
    dabbnsports
    5 years ago

    @hayhor im on xbox. Idk. Ive never gamed on console before, dont know the ins and outs. Just know I'm getting better at this game but I still get shredded and I'm nowhere near where I need to be lol

  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
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    5 years ago
    @dabbnsports I'd look at the Xbox elite controller assuming you are old console or can use it next gen. I think it has back buttons.

    Because of the sbmm you will have games where you are a king and games where preds shred you. That doesn't mean you are bad. The game sees you having success and move you up a bit inclass.

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