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Re: So like, How did horizon not age-

Hey @nicimang 

Horizon was stuck on a black hole for 246 days, and when she returned it had been 87 years. This sounds confusing but I'm going to quickly go over how it works.

Time has different speeds on different objects in space, like planets and black holes. On a black hole, time is much slower than a planet for example, so when Horizon was stuck on a black hole for 246 days, it was actually 87 years back on Olympus. Because Horizon was on a black hole, time was much slower for her than the people back on Olympus.

Hopefully that makes sense, if not there's probably someone who can explain it better than me.

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  • nicimang's avatar
    nicimang
    5 years ago

    OHHH! I was thinking it had to do with her being stuck in a black hole. Wait, so does that mean her son might be dead? 

  • @nicimang Well unless her son has a long life expectancy, her son is dead. She knows this. That’s why she isn’t searching for her son in the universe she was trapped in that black hole.

    She used that Hole to go to another alternate dimension (If I correctly remember she already did it or is planning to do it but needs the Apex Games for some reason) to search for her son.

    But anyway. Due to the gravitational forces that a black hole exerts upon even space and time, time gets warped around a black hole. So what may be like an hour in a black hole can be days/weeks/hours or even years for ppl outside that pull.

    I can go into specifics if need be but you won’t need it. Just view it as this; the occurrences you may see while looking at a black hole (which you can’t since a black hole bends even light hence, you can’t see anything looking at it) occur at a different rate than what you will see.
  • DarthValtrex's avatar
    DarthValtrex
    Hero (Retired)
    5 years ago

    @Koochi-Q They actually have images of a blackhole now and some fairly accurate artist renderings of them.

    They are fairly trippy to look at. It's true you do not see the singularity but you can see the outline of the blackhole via the accretion disk (if the blackhole has one). Entering a blackhole or even going near one would not be fun with our current understanding of universe and technology. Blackholes have a ton of radiation around them, you would be cooked alive almost instantly without some technology that could protect you from the radiation. 

    Fun fact they estimate that most of the gold in the universe comes from 2 neutron stars colliding. They actually believe most elements heavier than iron formed this way. If you have a gold anything, there is a good chance it was created when 2 neutron stars merged at some point... Kind of a trip because when 2 neutron stars merge they likely form a blackhole... So you're likely holding the scraps from the formation of a blackhole.

  • Koochi-Q's avatar
    Koochi-Q
    5 years ago

    @DarthValtrexWell as far as I know it's only 1 'real' image of a black hole. The one that got in the news a while back was still the composite of multiple images spruced together. Even that one was done with gravitational lensing for the most part to 'see' the black hole.

    Artist renderings have been around almost as long as the internet itself so that's nothing to go by :P I've seen the most accurate renderings from like 2 decades ago which didn't hold up but were thought to be fairly accurate at that time. Nowadays it's just always a black ball sucking the mass and dust from either a star, planet or spacedust...

    Entering would be almost impossible. Even with our limited understanding of how they work we already know that. So far not even quantum theories can't predict or even tell us how to get close without being spaghetified, let alone die by the amount of radiation as you said.

    Yep, read that years ago. They're still on the fence about that, but it looks really plausible. Matter of fact as a sidenote, there was a new study published either last month or in the last 2 months that may hold new theories that black holes aren't even actual holes... or round...

    On the matter of light protons, it depends how you look at it. If we could see it, we would see that light protons move at the speed of light... but if you are the proton, because you move at that speed... time basically stands still for them. So a ray of light can both be here with me now and also lightyears away in that 1 instance... if quantum mechanics is to be believed. But since middle school I've always been more interested in neutrinos after I learned about them. Especially years later when I 'learned' that it's been hypothesized that they move faster than the speed of light!

  • DarthValtrex's avatar
    DarthValtrex
    Hero (Retired)
    5 years ago

    @Koochi-Q Some of the artist renderings were done by physicist so there are some really accurate renderings floating around. Yes the image of the M87 is sort of a cluster of multiple images. It was basically a network of radio telescopes connected together by computers to create one big radio telescope. But it's still an image in the sense of it, it's an accurate depiction of the accretion disk.

    This is a great animation of what an accretion disk would likely look like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Psuz7u5OI

    Some of the animations you can find online were also created by super computers running various physic models and what not.

    It's really interesting stuff. I think the issue with blackholes is that our current understanding of physics and math in general just can't explain them. What makes it really difficult is that we can not make observations of the singularity. But keep in mind physics is only about 321 years old and relativity is less than 100 years old. It's much easier to explain the visible universe because you can test theory against observations and so on. You can't really do that with a singularity.

    Sir Isaac Newton was more than likely one of the smartest men to have existed. Actually I'm sure there have been other smarter people to have existed, but they were not known about, did not have access to an education or had 0 interest in physics. So much potential goes wasted on our planet because people simply don't have access to an education or the time to get one due to poverty. It's really sad. I can only imagine what we would have accomplished as a planet if everyone had access to a basic education and opportunities at higher education.

    I can't wait for James Webb Space Telescope to launch and become active, it will give us a better understanding of the universe.

  • Koochi-Q's avatar
    Koochi-Q
    5 years ago
    @Lord_Scorpion34 That’s it? A universe renowned scientist needs money?

    I call bulldoodoo if thats the actual reason she joined the game xD. I might have to look at the loading screen lore again cause it was mentioned there but no way the reason is that basic. I do believe you but it can not be yet simple cause as a physicist she could easily get grants to build a prototype time machine!
  • Lord_Scorpion34's avatar
    Lord_Scorpion34
    Legend
    5 years ago
    @Koochi-Q That's what it said when I read the lore. She joined the games for cash lol. She even has a voice line "Violence for science" 😂
  • Koochi-Q's avatar
    Koochi-Q
    5 years ago
    @Lord_Scorpion34 She’s just a maniac! That’s why she says that tea line “with a bit of mayhem”. Crazy Scot! Just like all Scots. Just ask Dr. William MacDougal, better known as Groundskeeper Willie!
  • EdwardDLuffy's avatar
    EdwardDLuffy
    5 years ago

    She's Scottish. "Ach, dinnae fash yersel" is definitely a Scottish phrase, and wee beasties, barnpots and numpties ...

  • EA_David's avatar
    EA_David
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    5 years ago

    @Lord_Scorpion34 Horizon is very much Scottish. 

    For an Irish take on "scientist lady in a character-driven FPS", you can look at Moira from Overwatch. 

  • EdwardDLuffy's avatar
    EdwardDLuffy
    5 years ago

    @Lord_Scorpion34

    Ach, dinnae fash yersel - calm down
    wee beasties - small animals often wild, maybe ferocious
    barnpots - crazy people
    numpties - idiots

    JFYI If a Scottish person calls you "a wee boabie" they're calling you a (rhymes with sick) :D