Re: Lis nerf - why, when, and what?

@X-Sunslayer-XI'm talking about infantry counters - not other vehicles. I shouldn't need to use another vehicle to damage aircraft, if AA weapons exist in the game.

Also - the damage from primary weapons since 6.1 update is laughable. Most guns do between 0.15-0.16 damage, meaning an average 41 round mag does a massive 6 damage! And only from a distance of 80m or less. So yeah, utterly useless....

Ohh SOFLAM keeping a pilot constantly spotted?  How much damage does that do.....? 😉

@X-Sunslayer-X
You forgot about the revamped Rao hack ability.
That thing can disrupt a vehicle so badly that it becomes a much easier target to any direct attacks.

Lis is fine vs aircraft though, maybe even not good enough for those agile nightbirds.

It was the other two engineers that needed to get on her level, not the other way around.

@MADMAC50K
I am quite certain that the revamped Rao's mobility effect is independent of the flares.
The only way to counter it is with the cyber warfare suite at the expense of the instant repair.

@X-Sunslayer-X  Yes, it IS easier compared to the dumbfire rockets. But something being easier than 1 in a 100 chance to hit does not mean it is easy.

Though, I have a person in my platoon who feels more comfortable hitting careless helis with  the M5 recoiless than liz.

@MADMAC50K
I have honestly not seen any jets in 2042 which do not go first for other jets when they see them. To ignore the enemy jet is to invite a bogey on your tail at a bad time.

Perhaps the 6.2 changes will make jets more likely to dogfight than before.

@X-Sunslayer-Xsince the Wildcat nerf, it's easier pray for an attack chopper, but again, not interested in relying on vehicles or teammates, who seem mostly just concerned with weekly missions, K/D, or having their own battles (PTFO - remember that?). Hard to PTFO when you have to switch specialists and loadouts just to help deal with a chopper that will respawn in a few mins time. So why bother?

I ain't alone in feeling air vehicles are waaay OP. There are countless threads and reddit posts that DICE seem to conveniently ignore whilst continuing to buff pilots and nerf infantry. This is the most unbalanced version of Battlefield, and I've played them all since 2004.

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@MADMAC50K wrote:

@X-Sunslayer-XHard to PTFO when you have to switch specialists and loadouts just to help deal with a chopper that will respawn in a few mins time. So why bother?

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I switch specialist all the time if the situation calls for it. I am more than likely to spend the entire round as an engineer if needed.

Players who are not reacting to the change in the battles to adapt to the threat are plainly playing the game wrong.

Since I started in BF3 I have often been the one who will go out of his way to tear that bird from the sky by any means necessary (be it infantry, tank or aircraft) while many others are doing little more than writing angry complaints toward the pilot.

@UP_HawxxeyeWith a potential Lis nerf, that is only going to get worse. Even fewer opportunities to make a difference as an individual, if the team are ignoring the threat...

You could have to wait quite a while for a suitable vehicle.

Do what I and many others do, OP:

Play Redacted exclusiveky.

Problem solved!

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@Wargame_Enj0yer wrote:
@X-Sunslayer-XAnd how many of those are actually effective? i.e. a good hard counter you can choose? I dont see it. Even not the Wildcat that cant hold its own in a 1vs1 with an half-experienced AH crew.

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I think I will start practicing the M5 recoiless x3-4 with Crawford on helicopters that get close.

Regardless of anything else though, the Rao hack currently messes up even the best of the pilots who get close. They will be forced to retreat and you can repeat it infinitely (between the firewall cooldowns).

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@X-Sunslayer-X wrote:

@MADMAC50K There are so many ways of dealing with air-vehicles

• Wildcat with
  • Maingun
  • Minigun
  • AA lock on rockets
  • 60mm FLak Pod
• Brawler
  • APDS
  • Minigun
  • 20mm Flak Cannon
• LATV/Hovercraft
  • Minigun
  • 20mm Flak
• Tanks
  • Main gun if you can hit it
  • Minigun/HMG
• MAV
  • 50mm
  • HMG
  • Flak pod
  • 40mm Canister

on top, you can now shoot the Nightbird, stealth heli, and Jet with your main gun without using AP ammo. The problem is Liz is just way too convenient. It caters to the absolute lowest possible neron activation...

The problem is the average player does not care for the rest of the team... One recon with a Soflam can stall the progress of any heli by keeping it constantly spotted and targeted. but this community has the following motto: if everyone thinks of themselves, everyone is thought after

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Well said but you really can't expect results wasting your time with this stuff. It simply does not fit the narrative of the 2042 engineer player, that it's the devs' faults they lack skill.

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@MADMAC50K wrote:

@X-Sunslayer-XI'm talking about infantry counters - not other vehicles. I shouldn't need to use another vehicle to damage aircraft, if AA weapons exist in the game.

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Yes you should. You can spawn as infantry literally every second. The vehicles spawn every two and a half minutes, and there are far fewer of them on the battlefield than infantry. They have the weaponry to kill vehicles. Also you don't need to use a vehicle to damage an aircraft. Literally get your head out of your * with that.

@MackTKau
The dead zone of the turret elevation + the turn speed are really shameful.
Unless there are APS gadgets in range, the Wild cat will eat a salvo of rockets and get to critical health before it can even turn its guns toward the source of the rockets.

The whole point of  AA turrets is that they are supposed to turn super fast to keep up with the things they are supposed to shoot down.

Well with the 6.2 air vehicle buffs, the wildcats don't stand a chance. Played a few rounds tonight and the wildcats didn't last longer than 30secs now that the jet rockets have 800m effective range and there are 2 Jets on most maps.

So really looking forward to the Lis nerf now when theyll become even more dominant and OP. Superb work DICE, well done. RIP BF infantry gameplay.