Re: Why do Respawn hate Octane?

@StarMystro 14k kills with Octane and will say two things: the buffs were garbage, and the nerf to healing when stimming was very harmful.

Also, jump pad is very poo as an ult.  Deploys and doesn't work a lot of the time (fully deployed too), bugs and falls through world. 

Only tact to negatively impact the player in the game.  Why doesn't Wraith text take her health? Or Pathfinder?  Both are faster than stim.

Respawns neglect is woeful.  Much rather they publicly come out and just admit "yea we hate Mexicans" and that be that.

I don't see in the Patch Notes where Octane can no longer heal during Stim effects... I mean, usually his Stim can be used as a great offensive tool anyways? I personally reap some great victories with his speed, but that's just me maybe. 

His Jump Pad can be great for surprising enemies from angles they wouldn't expect too. I've had some rare occasions where I couldn't reach them- due to placement.

@StarMystro all speed effects of stim stop immediately when healing now.  Massive nerf to a legend already nearly the worst.  Needless.

I still get 5 or so wins on him daily just wanted some accountability from Respawn and them to come out and say: "we love wraith potato play and that's all we will promote", given she is buffed constantly even though she's the most powerful legend already.

Octane needs a fundamental ground up rework.  Pad should be tact.  Stim should be ult, not take health, and last for 60 seconds.

@S1mmOJ  I don't want Octane to get a rework, but it becomes more and more vocal within the community that he needs to change. I dread the day that Respawn listens to this and reworks him. His cooldowns are the lowest in the entire game and with him being speedy he's just very fun and unique to play as, and I fear that a rework would ruin him.

I do main him and as sad as it makes me to admit it I have to agree with you that he's one of the worst legends because he has no team utility. Since his passive heals him I always leave syringes for teammates and no matter how hard I try to utilize the jumpad in a teamly manner, everyone just seems to ignore it.

For now I would say what he needs is some quality of life improvements.

• Immediate jumpad activation upon hitting the ground.
• Fix the annoying glitch that sometimes makes you jump over the jumpad when you try to do a high jump.
• Bring back being able to stim while healing (not to the extent it was before the patch, but to a resonable amount)

Optionally give him some buff regarding revives. It's been tossed around many times in varying versions, like perhaps a faster revive if he uses his stim before starting it, or if you stim while you revive someone, you stim them instead and it gives them a health or speed boost or something.

@BillyCrash100  lowest cool down yes but remember if using it as an escape utility you need 3-5 stims to actually outrun a wraith, pathfinder or bloodhound and that's 40-60% of our health GONE just doing what he was intended to do.

Even stim with no health penalty, remove passive, and fix jump pad would be a massive massive huuuuge upgrade.

I like some of your ideas too.

I fear that if they remove the stim health penalty, they're gonna have to move that penalty elsewhere to balance it. The most obvious choice would be the cooldown; no health penalty, but CD increase to 10 seconds or something. That would ruin Octane.

Cooldown is merely a balancing concept. There's no reason Pathfinder can use his grapple only every 35secs besides balance.

What makes Octane interesting (for me) is that the concept of cooldown is taken out of the equation and placed into the player's hands. Maybe you want to stim once, maybe 4 times in a row, the drawback is obvious; you lose health. There's a clear distinction between the drawbacks and advantages of each choice. It also adds a risk-reward factor to consider, maybe you'll need the health you wasted to use stim sooner that later.

The passive makes that health investment into a more short term commitment, and even has its uses besides counteracting the harmful effects of the stim, like negating some damage if you find yourself into the ring, should you get out of it in time. All in all, it's a nice equilibrium.

"Overclocking" is always an option to you should you choose it, and simply no other Legend offers that. That's what I'm afraid is going to change should he get a rework.

@SERPENT_DESCEND again, that would ruin Octane in my opinion. All he has is speed, if they take it away (by giving him high cooldwons) then he's just gonna be a discount Pathfinder and will replace Mirage as the worst Legend.

He doesn't need health on his stim, he has his passive. 

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@BillyCrash100 I really like your reasoning. With the whole "health-lost-upon-use" does lend itself towards the -Reward factor- as you mentioned. Sometimes, I'll Stim 3-4 times back-to-back during a fight- NO healing in between, just to quickly finish a maneuver or fight. I like having the option to have increasingly (Not "increasing", but "sustained"-) more power at the expense of a penalty.

@BillyCrash100 dude Mirage is powerful since his rework... They completely rebuilt him and it WORKED.

Octane is voted joint worst with Crypto, and honestly I'd say Crypto isn't as bad as at least he has some offensive damage dealing capability on his ult.

Look, I've mained Octane for a long time.  I'm regularly top 50 on kills, dmg and wins. I genuinely wouldn't be moaning that he is broke as fk unless I believed it. 

He needs a ground up rework WITHOUT health penalties in his tact/ult.  Anyone who disagrees with this just hasn't spent enough time playing him in a range of different scenarios and situations... It's clear the Devs just haven't played him enough to realise "ok wow this isn't fair".

I hope to god they read this thread and start a mirage style reboot... NO ONE is saying he needs to lose his speed, it's WHO HE IS - but you don't have to cut your arms and legs and entire battle capacity and ability to wage war as a price to run fast.

Even making jump pad team only is a good start so if you're using it as an escape mechanism people can't just follow you on it deeming it pointless.

My personal thoughts are:

- Passive health replaced with faster strafe left/right like revenant fast crawl.

- Jump pad becomes tact, 25 sec reuse.

- Ultimate gives health tick like current passive and fast speed like current tact for 60 seconds, 2 min 30 sec reuse.

This would put him comparative to other top 3 legends in terms of cool down Vs power.  Which is fair, he's been bottom barrel for SO LONG so put him on the podium for a while.

Oh, and stop buffing wraith and saying it's a nerf.  Jeez.

@stonksthemememan 

@SERPENT_DESCEND 

@StarMystro 

Forum bug duplicated post.

Let's agree to disagree then, I've already given my reasoning.

Team only jumpad doesn't resonate with me. Wraith's portal can be used by everyone, and so can Pathfinder's zipline.

You can already shoot the jumpad down, granted you give away your position but the option is there.

As a final note, Mirage is the worst legend second to none. Crypto and Octane don't even come close.

Here is What I suggest for an Octane buff and not just a tweak to him: https://answers.ea.com/t5/Legends-Feedback/Octane-Team-Utility-Buff-idea/m-p/9343497#M11888

@BillyCrash100  if you're regularly hitting legend each season and can our power wraith potato play using octane whilst constantly stimming you're a better man than me.

In the main, he is a weak legend - it's undisputed in the polls.  Season 6 poll had him joint last (dispite your person opinions re: mirage).

If you believe Octane is a top tier legend then you're in the wrong thread.

@S1mmOJ No I never said he's top tier, far from it, he is weak. Just not Mirage levels of weak.

@S1mmOJ I don't use Octane so I can't say very much regarding balance. If the community agrees he's weak then he's weak. My only problem is that your changes don't fit the character very well.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Octane is a daredevil that gambles with his own health for even the smallest boost of speed right? Your changes seem very safe and very slow in comparison to what he already is. They might make for a stronger Legend but doesn't fit Octane's aesthetics at all.

Buff him but try not to change him too much from what he's supposed to be.

@@heme725  

Not quite true mate.

There is no lore in game that points to octane having to lose health as a sacrifice for speed and being a dare devil.  The two are not mutually exclusive.  It is just how the Devs have opted to configure him.

Fact is...

He is supposed to be the fastest legend and he isn't.  For this reason, why should he lose health for being the 3rd fastest lol.

Let me ask you guys this - do you think pathfinder should lose 12% health every time he grapples?

@heme725 Woah woah then who is the fastest? I gotta say, after playing Octane a lot more lately (due to these forums...) I can say that Octane is incredible! I mean the buff he got made him even more slick!! In my opinion; Octane is the repositioning champion. It doesn't matter where you are; He can make up for any distance with his speed.

He can really easily secure flanks- and flank even better as himself!

Plus, has anyone noticed his Jump pad is way more frequent? His jump pad really helps with closing gaps- completely negating the effects of terrain (Like a mountain side- you'd usually have to climb). I feel like Octane has even more mobility than before! Looting has always been a breeze for Octane- being able to loot areas, perhaps where the Ring is closing; While other Legends would be in trouble.