Re: APEX I QUIT AFTER Playing everyday…

Exactly, I have exactly the same thoughts right now!

So would the old “bucket” SBMM method not be more suited to allow for more varied matches in a pub environment, rather than the newer, ‘tighter’ system that forces players of almost the exact same skill level together? Ranked should be where the tighter matchmaking takes place, even if queue times are a bit longer. Couldn’t pubs be more lenient to allow for faster queue times? If the SBMM is looser in pubs and the population of lower skilled players is higher overall, then on average they should have more matches with people of their skill level, and rarely come across the smaller percentage of high skilled players. 

@reconzero @So it's their fault for being good at the game and getting put into more difficult lobbies in the name of fairness? You know, like ranked. Fair to who? You or the player who reached a good level of skill through time and effort that he doesn't even get to experience because he's constantly playing his equal

Better players should have better success, the current system doesn't really allow that unless you are top 5-1%. No wonder people turn to smurfing. 

I don't think anyone suggested to roll new players just because they're new. 

And why are you jumping between the two extremes here? Either you stomp everyone or no one? No middle ground or other possibilities at all for anything else besides that? 

@reconzero @@All I'd like to see is for the game to let up a bit more so that improvement can actually reflect and be felt by players more often. I mean it's not unreasonable, and it should be how any good game works

What is unreasonable is how 1kd (or less) and a sub 5% win rate is considered normal. That's a loss rate of 95%+ and a single kill per match. Totally rediculous and that's the result of tight mm, this is what fighting your equal looks like in practice.

When it comes to the anti-sbmm stuff people seem to get stuck on the idea that they would only face better players although said players are in the minority. Majority of lobbies would consist of average players. Whoever said better players would only be opponents anyway? They could be teammates too. Cuts both ways.

I'm not against mm completely, it's just that most games seem to mess it up at the expense of the players, with this absurd idea of playing your equal, always, non stop. At this point I wouldn't be opposed to them removing it but any solution to reflect outcomes more in line with improvement seems fair. It's a win win as everyone would improve at some point vs what it is now which is constantly getting the same result for most everyone regardless of improvement.

@BallisticMVP yes, this man gets it.

"Main issue is that people expect mm to be fair and no matter how much resources they put into any kind of system, it will never be fair."

The only game as of now that I know of that seems "fair" to most people is Fortnite. Whatever they did they did something right.

"They only way to make it truely fair is by removing all kind of systems and make it random"

I truly think this is the most fair way, but it seems the majority of people don't actually want fair, they want convince, in spite of actual ability, which isn't happening anyway. Everyone always points at the guys at the bottom as an argument, while ignoring the whole rest of the game's population who aren't. 

"But then a lot of people would never win" 

I'm not sure they'll never win, just less often. But at least you can improve and your improvement would actually mean something and show as a result. Plus they could be carried at times and new or really bad players could still have their own lobbies. We were all bad at one point. 

"in 2023 you are not supposed to win because you are the best in the lobby you are supposed to win by prealligned factors that ensures you get motivated from time to time" 

True that sir