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Re: Season 20 release is terrible!

@bo3nv8maxnj6 Season so far seems fun, I've only been in Mixtape so far, but I've seen a few cheaters on PC using zero recoil scripts and aimbot cheats. One player's aimbot was so perfect, they were snapping to everyone instantly, like they didn't even turn to face the player, they were snappeed to looking at them, and was beaming with any gun at any range.

Yet, the anti-cheat just goes, "I don't see a cheater..."

Edited: Scratch that. I said it was good so far, then the next match, there was two players on the other team flat out DDOSing. Everytime they got close to anyone on the other team, that person they got close to lagged into infinity and beyond, and even watching the death recap where it shows both of them kill me, shows that even the game didn't know what happened. It went from them pointing a gun off to the side of my hitbox, to me dying after a second or two of the kill cam freezing.

Once again, we need a better anti-cheat and this season won't last long if the cheating can't get under any kind of control.

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  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
    Hero+
    1 year ago
    @Midnight9746 You would hate to see my recoil control after 8k hours in the game. Some of us just have learned how to control the recoil perfectly.
  • HappyHourSumwur's avatar
    HappyHourSumwur
    Seasoned Ace
    1 year ago

    @E9ine_ACI'm just not feeling it so far with S20. Not S14 Hunted bad, but pretty bad.

    The changes seem to benefit better players and premades over new players, lesser skilled players, & solo queue players. For me, it makes the issues with matchmaking and anti cheat even worse. These players need a shield advantage to level the playing field in most matches and now that element of RNG is gone. Couple that with a more complicated shield upgrade and perk system to learn and all these teams are at a further disadvantage.

    My experience as a solidly average solo queue player so far this season has been pretty horrible.  The game is skewing even more towards pros and sweats and away from the average player, IMO. I just can't imagine how or why a brand new Apex player would stick around at this point.

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
    Hero+
    1 year ago

    @E9ine_AC Players like you still have a bit of a movement to the gun, so its a bit easier to tell that you're controlling it. This guy had zero movement. The gun was perfectly still and they were snapping to other players in all directions instantly.

    They weren't flicking the gun or anything like that, they were automatically locking onto players. It became obvious when in one of the kill feeds, I saw them kill a player, then they snapped to me while I was behind a wall and tracked me perfectly, shooting a moment later when I came out from cover.

    They were a Pathfinder and the only one who was near me at the time, from what I can tell.

    Guns like the R-301 and Flatline, I don't question the recoil as much when I see players barely having any, but guns like the R-99, I question when they can shoot at any distance and not miss a single shot, especially when they're snapping to players so quickly, that there's no way it was humanly possible.

  • Pena124's avatar
    Pena124
    1 year ago

    I have Been playing only arenas/mixtape so many season but now i forced to play straight shot but Ots kind of fun. And console servers Are so Bad cause too many players so mixtape IS kind of unplayable. There is always one player that cant Be hit and he hits every shot. I have Been that player. In one round you cant miss Even If you want and next round u cant hit anything. 

  • Well straight shot IS Bad now. So its only three stacks holding hands and playing IT like its ranked. Back to mixtape Solo q. And The servers Are so crowded that IT feels *. Sluggish, AIM feels iffy. But hey its The same always when season or event starts. And yeah EA never does anything to The servers

  • Biggest bummer is shield. If solo and no teammates you are guaranteed to be screwed. 3 rank games in a row and no teammates never stood a chance. Barely got to blue before getting obliterated. Teammates are meh, some keep up others are bots.

  • Dakyren1's avatar
    Dakyren1
    Rising Novice
    1 year ago

    Oh look a paid for response by ea and respawn. No one goes on to a forum post about how good thier recoil is to a complaint about a game. Especially when the post is about issues with the promises game quality fix patch. This post is literally titled. season 20 release is terrible and @Midnight9746  posts this. 

    This season was good for a day. First day zero problems with the game no server issues ran into very little hackers. Then they got their player base up and  must have secretly patched in engagement based match making again. I have faced the numbe r9 pred last season in silver when my team mates literally had never played the game before. That is exactly what used to happen. I get, just like before 19 games with players who do no understand the game and then i get 1 game with a near or literal pro on my team. WELCOME TO BULL * APEX AND respawn/ea rigging match making for engagement. First day all the way till almost gold three I had a great game to play. Now constant random fps drops, dead slides bullets not registering left and right with people sitting still aiming elsewhere. 

    Just remember folks every time someone like @midnight9746 over here posts ignore it, cause its fake. You post a complaint and they post a distraction about how good the game is or how its your fault not the company classic pr backlash against negative feedback. 

    Companies pay to hush any kind of negative feed back cause there is no regulation on corporations anymore. 

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
    Hero+
    1 year ago

    https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Season-20-release-is-terrible/m-p/13485316/highlight/true#M111383


    "Just freed up my whole summer. Can't even articulate how disappointing the changes to game play are." - @bo3nv8maxnj6 

    They said the season was terrible with the changes to the gameplay, but didn't fully go into details to explain why they felt that way. That leaves room for others to say why they feel like it either got better or got worst.

    "You post a complaint and they post a distraction about how good the game is or how its your fault not the company classic pr backlash against negative feedback." - @Dakyren1

    You're making it sound like I'm saying there's no problems with the game. There's TONS of problems with the game. I'm saying its better than it was from what I'm seeing, but its not perfect or the best that it could be. Not to mention that I never had told anyone that the problem is them when it comes down to the issues that they're having. The most I do is state what I've experienced myself.

    You do realize that I've complained about no audio, awful servers, cheaters, smurfs, bot teammates, bad rank seasons, etc. for a long time now, right? I'm not going "the game is fantastic" like a payed person. In fact, no one asked for my opinion, and I have been told before that I'm quite critical of the game by an EA Fourm Admin, (I won't call them out, but its true).

    I'm saying the game is better in the matches I'm put in, but its NOT the best that it could be and other players do have different gameplay experiences than I do, which may be way worse or even better than mine. S20 is a huge change but its not a one fix for all of the game's problems. If we all stay quiet or listen to one voice, we won't ever see the overall picture and be able to have the problem get addressed for the whole playerbase. I rather things get fixed for everyone, rather than a small part of the community.

    I still deal with cheaters, smurfs, and bots. Was this fixed with S20?
    - No, I still see them frequently, mainly console players abusing aim assist with things such as strikepacks.

    I still deal with little or no audio. Was this fixed with S20?

    - No, I still, and many others, have little to no audio. The fact that an Octane can stim up behind you and empty a full R-99 clip with no audio says how awful the audio is, and playing on the new Thunderdome map? Good luck hearing anyone over the crowd, I sure can't.

    Servers are still 20hz. Are they any better in S20, such has being a higher hz like 60hz??
    - No, not that I'm aware of. A few have said they're better, but I'm not quite seeing that. https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Servers-Are-Super-Laggy/m-p/13495876#M111538

    "No one goes on to a forum post about how good thier recoil is to a complaint about a game." - @Dakyren1

    Do you also realize that @E9ine_AC was the one who said they had good recoil, not me. https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Season-20-release-is-terrible/m-p/13486529/highlight/true#M111408 I essentially had said that I was seeing players using no recoil, like a cheat or an exploit of the aim assist, (which strikepacks, xim, chronus zen, etc. are technically an exploit to the aim assist).

    I've also told @Palette24carats that Titanfall 2 was on sale when they had asked if there's other games made by the former Respawn dev team, as Apex was still having issues that they weren't liking.

    https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Season-20-release-is-terrible/m-p/13485556/highlight/true#M111389

    "These devs since season 13 have no clue what they're doing. Where are the old devs?" @Palette24carats 

    "@Palette24carats I've heard that all the "old" devs had left the development team." - @Midnight9746

    "@Midnight9746 Right, what games are they developing right now I need another game lol" - @Palette24carats

    To the part about "Companies pay to hush any kind of negative feed back cause there is no regulation on corporations anymore." - @Dakyren1 Have you not seen any of the threads on the fourms?

    Players are posting problems with the game and submitting new complaints daily, if not, weekly. Here's an issue about audio: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Audio-is-worse-in-s20/m-p/13497546#M111548 and here's an issue about how a player feels like to have a good time in Apex, there must be some sort of DLC that they don't have. It sounds like a joke to me with how its phrased, but they're not wrong about the issues that they've pointed out: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Secret-Store/m-p/13499517#M111569

    As for the matchmaking, dead slides, and other problems you've mentioned, honestly a lot of those are issues with the server, and right now in ranked, EVERYONE's rank was reset to Rookie IV, so if you see a bunch of preds in your lobby, right now they are still "around your rank". The only advice I could give you, isn't a "get better", but a "give it a few weeks", so by then, the preds would be in higher ranked lobbies, and you should be left with anyone left behind in the ranks.

    Respawn isn't worrying about the matchmaking for ranked just yet as its still the start of the season, and they're waiting for everyone to spread out in the ranks before going, "that was awful", or "that's a better system, lets keep at it!"

    I've also heard that the next gen update is pretty bad. I got a Switch as well, but its not one of the ones that supports the next gen update, so I can't say if its good or bad personally. https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Xbox-series-s-performance-mode-is-a-joke/m-p/13499381#M111566

    Regardless of where anyone stands, I hope to see improvements to the game, such as to the audio, servers, matchmaking, anti-cheat, and less collection events centered around recolors, especially of heirlooms.

    Despite how much fun the Final Fantasy event was for me, (even though the Buster Sword was a Busted Sword as it was too strong), I hope we never see that kind of cosmetic store again, especially when it was like $500 for a deathbox, or more if you were in a country that bans the buying of packs, because it costed those players even more to get the deathbox. Which they had to get if they wanted the Buster Sword heirloom, as that was removed out of the store itself, and put into the pack opening tracker as the last reward alongside the deathbox.

    This event also angered a lot of players because after EA/Respawn had released the recolor mythic hierloom Peacekeeper, (Shown below), they had said that they would never do something like that again. Well, the Final Fantasy event was basically "something like that again".
     

    Not to mention, its a recolor of S2's battle pass gun skins for level 100 and 110.


    TLDR:

    Is Apex perfect?
    - No, no game is. This update changed a lot for everyone. You either love it or hate it. I remember posting a while back, saying, "please don't add perks", but now that we have perks, it seems alright, for now at least. Anyone have any thoughts on that yet? Lifeline's self-revive is pretty good.

    Did Apex get better?
    - Somewhat, depends on who you ask. Some are having a better time, some are not, while others are having a mix of good and bad. What exactly are we liking? What are we not liking?

    Does Apex still have issues, balancing problems, and other things to look into or consider?
    - Yes, I would say that it does still have issues, balancing problems, and things to look into and consider. I have gone days before where I didn't pick up or think about playing Apex. The problems kept piling up, and I considered uninstalling the game many times.

  • MekaSquid's avatar
    MekaSquid
    1 year ago

    100% there with you. Been playing since launch, but solidly average and odd playing times mean I’m stuck playing solo. It’s been bad in the past, but this is a whole new level of impossible. Win rate had consistently been 5%-6% every season, now it’s barley over 1%!!! Forget about k/d/r. Honestly don’t know why I’m still playing. Don’t know if cheating is out of control or just a new sadistic matchmaking. Whatever it is, it’s like they are trying to force a particular cohort of players (average, solo) to quit. 

  • This is me, Some combo of matchmaking, changes to the game and player mindset but season 20 has been a miserable experience. I don't mind the changes in a vacuum but they seem to make the other issues stand out even more.

    This is coming from someone who's played since day 1 and for the most part thought matchmaking complaints were overblown until now. Apex has been my main game for 5 years and very often while solo queing. Lately I have next to no interest to log in and know it'll be the same BS in one form or another and maybe get 1 decent match out 10-15. And when I do squad up with even 1 other person suddenly every other squad is a master+ 3 stack. I don't know what they did to their matchmaking this season but I'll probably be done with this game if it doesnt sort itself out soon.

  • Aldebera's avatar
    Aldebera
    Seasoned Veteran
    1 year ago
    @ExtentAK51 All the new devs do is make nice and shiny recolored crap. They have no interest in fixing the game, since last I understood several seasons ago they fired the original devs, quality and beta testers, and judging by how this season is going I think they fired their entire networking department. They just want to keep pumping out new flashy crap thinking that's what's going to get the money, rather than understanding the fact that those of us that have been in this game for the Long haul, would probably financially support it if they'd fix their issues. OverWatch and fortnite are starting to look a lot more appealing at this point
  • HappyHourSumwur's avatar
    HappyHourSumwur
    Seasoned Ace
    1 year ago

    I don't think the shield and crafting changes are bad, but smurfing, cheaters, and matchmaking has all gotten much worse.  The game is completely unplayable as a solo queue player anymore.  You just drop in and get killed immediately over and over again.  It is horrible.

  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
    Hero+
    1 year ago

    The game gets hacked during the ALGs, and EA/Respawn releases more cosmetics, meanwhile in the store one of the items is at a 0% discount.


  • Yep, I've spent a good amount on this game over the years. I was hardly a whale that'd buy out every collecton event but If there was a skin I really liked for my mains I"d grab it more often than not, or randomly do a pack bundle every so often. Not anymore. Not spending a dime on this garbage untl they can at least get matchmaking in a semi playable state. Played with a friend just today. 10 matches in a row of dying to master/pred players. Switched to ranked and actually did well vs people around my skill level, wild concept. Ive seen them be obsessed with matchmaking times in the past, they need to focus on quality over quickness or at least find some balance. I'm wondering if theyre focusing on just slapping together the quickest matches possible out of the whole player retention paranoia of people logging off if they arent instantly thrown back into a match upon que.

  • WTF_Huitzo's avatar
    WTF_Huitzo
    1 year ago
    @ExtentAK51 yeah pubs are unplayable since s16 if you have a positive KDA.
    Ranked lobbies are super easy until diamond then you get the cheater / 300ping players from a certain country that destroy everything.
  • Midnight9746's avatar
    Midnight9746
    Hero+
    1 year ago

    Gave S20 some more time, and concluded the following:

    - The matchmaking did get "a little bit better", but its still you + two bots VS higher ranked players and/or cheaters/smurfs. 

    - Cheaters/smurfs are more rampant, (mainly due to the rank level requirement being lowered, NOT a good idea EA/Respawn, it should of been raised)

    My last match, it was my team, me being Gold I, teammates are in Silver, the team that killed us was two Plat II players, and a Diamond IV, how is that fair? It isn't. Both of my teammates' banner cards showed awful stats as well, and they moved like a new player, while the enemy team had full on aimbot. It was so obvious that they were aimbotting as after they killed my team, all 3 of them started running in the same direction, where one of them pinged "enemy here" at a wall, and it was the diamond player pinging the wall.

    @WTF_Huitzo "Ranked lobbies are super easy until diamond then you get the cheater / 300ping players from a certain country that destroy everything."
    - I started seeing them the moment I hit Silver IV, and it got worse when I hit Gold I

    - Pubs is unplayable, people still disconnect on knock/death, and rank is pointless. Mixtape is just a playground for all the bots and cheater accounts to level up to then go into ranked. A lot of the players I saw cheating in Mixtape were in my ranked match later on in the day once they had hit level 20.

    - Audio is still missing, I cannot hear anyone else running besides my legend now, shooting is a 50% you hear it, 50% you don't, any grenade not thrown by me, has zero audio, etc. the list goes on.

    - This one is to the legend armor and perks. I actually like this. There could be some new ones, like not giving 3 or so legends the ability to see grenades through walls and things like that. I understand that Fuse needs it, and Horizon can use it for their ult, but it just doesn't feel like they have their own perk. Something that would be nice to see is helmets tied into the armor perk system, which would free up space in the loot pool. The golden helmet only reduces tact/ult recharge anyways, and not many people end up with gold helmets. As for the body armor perk that's now gone, (double healing syringes/shield cells), that and the golden helmet perk could be worked into the armor leveling or something like that. It would be a shame to let those things go away.

    - Servers seem to be okay, but I'm still getting shot around corners and such, (which is most likely someone using soft aimbot). I still think the servers should be on a higher tick rate if its still on 20hz.

    Would love to see more communication from EA/Respawn about these problems. I also understand that the cheater problem isn't something that can get slapped with flex seal and be resolved either. I know its an ongoing battle. Its just right now, it feels like EA/Respawn just doesn't care about the cheaters as they keep releasing recolor collection events and other cosmetics. Especially when they released a full store sale during a time when everyone was wondering if it was safe to play the game or not. (It seems safe to play and PirateSoftware basically said that there's nothing to worry about, but players should still decide if they want to play or not).

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