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No nothing works against certain blitzes I double teamed I'd the Mike on the side maxed protected and put my te on pass block either sack or a pick an you can't do nothing about it except quit the game 70 to 80 % of people do this online an it's not fun to deal with when you can't do anything at all
- MaddenUniversity6 years agoNew Veteran@Mr_DaddyJ_93 I can only speak for myself, but in the 8000+ games since my first online game in November 2002, I've never encountered a blitz I wasn't able to block for long enough to run a consistently productive offense. That was before slide protecction, ID the Mike, double teams, or Max protect were even added to the offense's arsenal, so pardon me if I seem a little weary of the "all I can do is quit" angle because I'm facing the same online players as everyone else and I'm blocking it...
I'll preface this post with a philosophy that is commonly overlooked, but should inform our strategic decisions. Football is about getting the right players to the right places at the right time; in essence, there are only three things to worry about: Personnel, Position, and Tempo.
I challenge you to do more. Remember, I'm haven't used shotgun in 17 years. Ask yourself:
- Are you positioning your players to be able to block a blitz through formation?
- Are you taking too long to spot open man?
- Are you maximizing your protection by staying in the pocket?
By my count, you've tried about 4 of the possible hundred or so things you could use to solve your protection problem. The reason 70-80% of people online use the same things isn't because it's a glitch, it's because the average Madden player hasn't figured it out and quits before they find a solution...
You can block ANY BLITZ - if you really want to. Or you could complain about not wanting to and not block the blitz. I'll help you if you want, or you can stay frustrated. Choice is yours.
Later So if I block my te slide my line double team I'd the Mike Block my rb all in the same play every play an their x factor Lawrence Taylor gets to me before I can drop back or if they get through the middle or the left what then? My linemen get dumbed out by these blitzes that's broken I shouldn't have to do 50 different things just to do 1 play when all they have to do is 2 things that's boring an extremely effective blitzes are ok but when all you have to do is blitz the entire get an get to me before I even drop that's an issue i don't always run gun. Even then if the blitz don't get me it's perfect man coverage an run d I have an 89 overall team an can't do nothing sometimes. An yeah your right FOOTBALL is about all those things but linemen in Real life don't run past who they gotta block same with rbs same with tes this is not reality it's a broken game with issues an im talking about mut.
- MaddenUniversity6 years agoNew Veteran@Mr_DaddyJ_93 I don't play MUT. Never have. But I imagine Lawrance Taylor had real coaches scratching their heads until Joe Gibbs started using the Singleback Ace formations to negate LT's weak side pass rushes.
That said, in H2H I rarely used Slide Protect, ID the Mike, or the Double Teams. I-Form, Weak I, Strong I, and Singleback are the staples of my offense. Against man coverage, I know my hot reads so I can get rid of the ball in 3-steps. Against zones, I blend concepts that get men open so I can get the ball out in 3-steps. Nothing beats blitzes like a consistent quick passing game from formations that buy time...
Over the course of many years, I've seen Madden players try to throw the kitchen sink at blitzes when a single adjustment will do the trick. It's as if they feel like they have to use all the tools in their toolbox, when all they need is a screwdriver. The more instructions you give your protection, the more likely they are to dumb out; more correctly, the more the user is likely to misinterpret how the combination of instructions tells their linemen block. You don't have to do 50 different things to block blitzes... Sometimes all you need to do is change your formation, look to a different receiver first, or hot route one eligible receiver to block.
Take a logical approach without changing the logic first. Start with simple stuff first. Putting players close to the guy they are going to block, instead of relying on giving them 3 or 4 potentially conflicting assignments to reach block guys 3-5 yards away.
If positioning players alone doesn't buy the time you need (all three elements of strategy), THEN start changing the O-line logic by sliding, IDing the Mike, etc...
If you slide protection, be sure to block the back to the opposite side, and if you ID the Mike, choose a rusher you expect to be unblocked.
With a little tweaking to fit these ideas into your offense, you'll be able to buy your QB at least two more steps of dropback time (all three elements of strategy) which will open up more routes on the route tree as receiver options.
Hope this helps,
Later - MaddenUniversity6 years agoNew Veteran@Mr_DaddyJ_93 Also.. forgot to add. If your opponent sends 6 against a 5 man protection scheme - that unblocked rusher is the Quarterback's man to beat either by moving or getting rid of the ball quickly.
That's my point bro I do those things I'm 26 I been playing Madden for quite a while mut since it came out an this is the worst year for blitzing I've ever seen it ruins the game I've tried all that you've mentioned the YouTubers keep on giving these people cheat blitzes they have whole 10 minute videos on it. There is no moving with the QB you snap the ball an instant sack even if you click the pass button immediately with a wide open guy an have all your blocking assignment covered
Lmao go look at YouTube you'll find the videos titled instant sack or something along those lines
- MaddenUniversity6 years agoNew Veteran@Mr_DaddyJ_93 No offense, but I've been playing Madden longer than you've been alive and I'm aware of the YouTube videos that are titled instant blitz, of which, none of them are instant. The fastest blitz I've ever seen, got to the QB on a straight drop before the QB could take two steps... But it was easily blocked with a FB in a standard I-Form Normal formation.
With all due respect, I've sponsored tournaments, own the longest continuously running Madden site on Earth, and have been running an offense exclusively from under center for the last 17 years. Trust me, there is NOTHING YouTube has that I can't block...
Test me: Link to any video you want and I'll tell you what I'd do to block it.
Remember, people that post blitzes on YouTube will post their blitz in a way that makes it look most effective. They won't show it against formations, or blocking schemes that the blitz is weak or ineffective against. So while they say "there's nothing you can do," there is.
Sadly, I'm not special. If I can block them, anyone can. But only if they WANT to block more than they want to complain.
Later - EA_Blueberry6 years ago
Community Manager
I really like the idea of posting video examples of blitzes in here so we can all discuss what offensive plays can help counter them. I know where you're coming from though, @Mr_DaddyJ_93 on how some seem impossible to block based off how fast the defenders can get to the QB. A lot of players will stack one side so your linemen are outnumbered, so switching up the play with an audible is crucial at times to throw them off.
Let's get some examples going in here. This is only going to make us all better, after all. 👍 Well these players are terrible every game I join now wether it's mut, or just an online play now I get cheesed to death, mainly the 3-4 and 4-4 spammers, my question is EA will you do anything to prevent further game exploits from those plays? Also please fix the dam blocking.
- EA_Blueberry6 years ago
Community Manager
Moved your response here for discussion and advice.
- MaddenUniversity6 years agoNew Veteran@TrumpsADump99 I'll preface this with the statement that what I'm going to say is going to be hard to swallow, then I'm going to try to help you rise above the stuff you feel is cheese...
First things first... NEVER USE THE CHEESE TERM!!! It is the language of the uneducated, and frankly it breeds laziness. Years ago, I wrote an article called "Chess or Cheese" that I believe is worth a read (https://maddenuniversity.com/communities/commentary/9-chess-or-cheese.html) - assuming you are really tired of "Cheese."
Second, what is cheesy to one is not cheesy to another. Reason being that everyone thinks that anyone taking advantage of their specific weakness is doing something cheesy. Then we blame our weaknesses on the game, as if not being able to block a blitz or stop a scrambling quarterback was EA's fault. But truthfully, if anything were EA's fault, EVERYONE would have the same exact problem. But we don't have the same weaknesses - thus - the solution lies with each individual.
Last in my list of hard to swallow pills - The solutions you seek are already in the game, and have been for years. We, as a community of players, often ignore the simplest basics of football strategy. We want to get the right person (personnel), to the right place (position), at the right time (tempo). If anyone EVER suggest that something is broken (or fixed for that matter) and they don't include a personnel, position, or tempo answer to your question - DO NOT TRUST THEM. Furthermore, if someone tells you something is unblockable, unstoppable, or otherwise outside of your strategic grasp - Don't trust them either.
That said... Let's get into something that will work against the Meta plays of the Madden NFL 20 season... 3-4 Odd Pinch Buck 0 and Cover 4 Drop Show 2:
- Singleback Ace destroys 3-4 Odd formations: (Position) In order to block someone, you must be close enough to touch them. 3-4 Odd places 7 defenders across the line of scrimamge. So does the Singleback Ace. Every blitzer is accounted for, so the simplest run play (HB Dive) will gouge the defensive alignment for big yards. A FB, TE, or any player near the wing will work as well to crush the 3-4 Odd defense (personnel and (position). It will guaranteed you can by time (tempo) to run an effective offense.
- Curl/Flat Combos from Singleback Ace: (Personnel, Position, Tempo) The curl flat offensive concept (practice in Skills Trainer) will destroy the combination of Pinch Buck and Cover 4 Drop Show 2 defenses with one read. Read either safety. If he comes down, throw to the WR (personnel) on the curl (position) on the 5th step (tempo). If he drops back, throw to the TE/FB (personnel) in the flat (position) on your 3rd step (tempo).
These are just two solutions to your problem. There are a multitue of others. If you approach each problem you experience with the three elements of football strategy, you will be able to solve virtually every football problem you will have on Madden...
Hope this helps,
Later I'm going to say a couple things that will be hard to swallow, starting with yes it's called cheesing while midblitz and 3-4 pinch blitzes are usually easy as hell to counter (I'll slant the son of a *) newer blitzes like the DB sting blitzes have become more common with this game and certain formations are great for spamming, along with the onside kicks that are so freaking rampant nowadays, it's not EA's fault kids don't know how to actually play it's the players so while EA may recycle the game with new features here and there the players are to blame in terms of certain gameplay exploits. So please before you go on and on trying to defend the cheesers (or exploiters) remember it's freaking Madden man. (And please step away from the keyboard man you need a break)
Oh and your part about the whole use your football IQ to solve those problems, yeah tell that to Madden logic behind a freaking 4-4 and DB sting blitz while that would be easy to counter in the NFL, in this game even with a great o-line the blocking breaks down in 2 seconds, my recovers forget what running there routes means and my QB hits the dirt faster than this franchise (unfortunately)
Lmao thank you. Give us a way to counter it geez you put max protect a tight end an rb to block id the Mike an it still is not enough then you gotta hope your wr can can open because the man coverage might be perfect
- MaddenUniversity6 years agoNew Veteran@TrumpsADump99 Suit yourself... I have had 0 problems with "new blitzes" because of the approach I just suggested, which I've used for more than a decade. But you do not have to use any of the advice I or anyone else gave... It's your right to remain frustrated.
@Mr_DaddyJ_93 I was watching a YouTube video titled "Unblockable Blitz" the other day with a blitz out of a Dime formation with on defensive lineman. The blitz sent 4 rushers (1 DL, 2LB at the ends, and a DB off the edge) and had cover 2 behind it. The setup was simple, spread the line, contain, and move the blitzing DB to the line jsut outside the end's shoulder. Simple enough.
Then the video started making outlandish claims like - glitchy, unblockable, you can't blocking it with slide protect, ID the Mike, or Max Protect. The video then went on to show 4 rushers destroy a shotgun formation with a back in the backfield while blocking 7.
Here's the problem... The back started on the side of the blitzing DB and blocked the blitz three times straight with one hot route. Then the guy in the video motioned the back to where he and the TE were both on the opposite side of the blitz, so that even if they both blocked, they probably weren't going to get to the DB that was generating the sacks (personnel, position, and tempo). I actually commented that it he blocked 5 guys in the parking lot, they would have the same chance of blocking that blitz...
My point is, there are a ton of videos about blitzes that use personnel, position, and tempo to prove their blitzes are "unblockable glitches" because that's how you get views and subscribers. Tell the average Madden player that a blitz can't be blocked, then show them a blitz working against a formation with no chance of picking it up and you will earn thousands of subscribers. And I'm tired of people misleading Madden players into thinking these gimmicks are glitchy or unblockable when they are NEITHER.
Back to the video. While I watched it, I thought of how I would have blocked the blitz, and it would have NEVER touched my QB.
I wrote an article called 16 Ways to Beat Blitzes (https://maddenuniversity.com/strategies/offense/25-beat-blitzes.html) years ago... It's available at my website http://www.maddenuniversity.com in the members area and it's been FREE for 16 years.
I invite you to check it out. Lots of answers to your questions all at MY EXPENSE. When people ask what's in it for me? The answer is: I play Madden for the competition and I don't want my opponents to suck.
Later Lol play mut an see if you don't have the problem don't run shotgun run anything you want I have 92 wrs not getting open even if I somehow manage to block them it works SOMETIMES it's not rocket science to block the blitz it's the fact that the game machanics to block those blitzes are not good
- EA_Blueberry6 years ago
Community Manager
If you're all having some trouble with a certain blitz, be sure to mention if it's standard H2H teams or Madden Ultimate Team.
Why not compile a list of great counters to these blitzes you are all referring to? Toss in a video of the blitz in question and let's dissect it. Personally, I've seen some success with toss plays when opponents are bunching up their linebackers at the line. If you hike the ball right when the receiver is in motion by the outside TE/lineman you help gain an extra blocker when you're trying to get to the edge. Works sometimes but certain blitzes get through right after you hand the ball off
- MaddenUniversity6 years agoNew Veteran@Mr_DaddyJ_93 MUT wasn't made for me. No interest. But I'm assuming X's and O's still work in MUT.
Lol bro when the xs don't understand that their xs an they dumb out it doesn't work
- MaddenUniversity6 years agoNew Veteran@Mr_DaddyJ_93 In my experience, good football always works, but people want to use bad football and hope the programming bails them out. I might use slide protect, ID the Mike, max protect once every 10-15 games, because I haven't needed any of it. Formation does most of the protection work for me.
Later Dude your not getting what I am saying to you doesn't matter the formation how is using good football mechanics bad football? I use a crap load of formations it DOES NOT WORK. If your not playing mut you won't get it
Exactly, it doesn't matter if it's just an exhibition online play now, certain formations glitch the game out, it's not a matter of player skill or IQ it's the fact whoever coded this game should be fired beyond belief, I mean kids spamming quarter end up in my backfield because my blockers cant see LT running up to my QB but yeah it's all just player skill 😒
- MaddenUniversity6 years agoNew Veteran@TrumpsADump99 When I refer to "player skill" it doesn't mean one player's skill is high, it usually means the other player's skill is low. The reason blitzes become "Meta" is because the average Madden player is strategically ill equipped to handle a good blitz.
@Mr_DaddyJ_93 If you're blaming your inability to block a blitz on playing MUT, why are you still playing MUT? Seems silly to me that despite using the best football tactics, you still can't succeed against the tactics you're referring to...
I'll make the same deal with both of you that I make with everyone else. If you don't believe I know what I'm talking about, TRY ME!!! Link to a video, I'll tell you what I'd do to block it. The caveat being - I never use Shotgun, so don't expect any Shotgun answers.
Please make it a good one. I'll wait.
Later
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