Re: Need for Speed 2019 Suggestions Proposal

@XGCSith

("We Need Something Fresh Here")!

I fully agree with your assessment!

Sadly EA the greedy money theives care

Nothing much about their consumers!

Ghost Studios which built Payback and other games for EA also seem to be out of plausible ideas.

Smart gamers more then ever are feeling the frustation of (" Buyers Remorse")!

EA, is running a real mind control game on consumers!

The kids won't understand, but us adults sure do that buy these games for ourselves or our children.

So as Consumers let's pay attention to this habitual broken behavior by EA & Ghost Studios. 

The next game You can be certain will have ("Micro transactions")!

This is EA's cheese & mouse trap!

Have any of your friends or even yourself asked why paying more money should ever be in a video game??

I feel as many people do on the belgernt broken behavior of corporate EA as nothing more then a money scheme!

Paying one time for a game should be enough!

Regardless of what EA creates for the next NFS game. 

That's the lesson for all gaming consumers to learn first!

Buy and support only games that don't have micro transactions in them. 

We need to get together as a family community and be United in this achievement and let EA know we are tired of being taken advantage of!!

So let's write to them in a honest but polite way and say to EA...No More Micro Transactions!! Thank You! 

If we want change we have to be United as a game family community first!

Thanks for sharing & Happy New year to you.😁👍

My polite way is saying...." No thanks". Low sales is a eye opener to EA , especially to the investors.  I am not even interested in the slightest for the next Need for Speed. I hate saying it , I really do but i agree , the series is more about ways to make more money by taking small pieces that add fun game play out and them adding in small pieces that make more money by blocking fun game play.

As well i have stated the graphics for this game were broke from day one.There is a whole down graded look to payback in the shadows, lighting and overall look of the game in the open world.

It Is all becoming a processed rushed industry plaque by  stupid deadlines and profit margin expectations.  In the back of my mind there is a small tiny amount of hope the next one fixes all the issues but I just know it wont be. ☹️

@master2g

Yes, and unfortunately EA just never learns or seems to care one bit about consumers opinion on development on any of there games that I have been aware of. 

I have done much reading into EA corporation and the amount of cash they make is unreal.

They truly have lost touch with game consumers and have become outdated in something truly original for NFS Series.

ImI glad we all are allowed to share and express our individual interests in this forum.

Sadly however I feel all our words are hitting deep space and not being transferred back to the morons at EA!

Great post and thanks for sharing. 

Kudos XP for your help Brother. 👍😁

Yes not much us older people say counts it seems. I wonder what percentage of the gaming sales are younger age group ? I wonder this because at this point who in their right mature mind would buy into the hype that will be attached to the next NFS game . For some it is now 100% that the game has to prove its worth before we will buy it. I don't care about trailers or demos at shows anymore due to constant let downs. i care about finished product and how well that is. .

@master2g

Yes exactly what I was thinking about as well!

The finished product is what only matters to me to.

The EA shows are nothing more than the (Pull The Rug Over Our Eyes Gimmick)!

Meaning a consumer only sees a particular part of the game and is missing the rest of the concept of the game.

It is not until some poor soul buys the game and then gets (Buyer's Remorse)!

EA, will most likely keep praying upon consumers that don't bother to investigate what they are buying.

In fact Corporate America is Targeting such clueless consumers through their public relations campaigns of advertising!

So EA included are targeting a particular age group to buy these games.

I mean companies have (Think Tanks)!

Think Tanks are groups of people that bring random consumers off the street looking for ideas, suggestions, or completely honest complaints!

I am aware of corporate Think Tanks as well and those are different.

My focus is on consumer Think Tanks.

So I totally understand and appreciate @master2g.

Brother I'm absolutely in agreement with you!

Thanks for sharing additional information and thoughts. 

Hope you have a great weekend.😁👍

@master2g @BLVD69

I think the major issue with EA is the fact that they are one of the companies that have fired developers but have given huge bonuses to executives. Another problem is pushing politics into video games and saying "oh well, if you dont like it, dont buy the game". Consumers dont buy games for political reasons they buy games for entertainment. 

To get back on topic. Let's face it, it's not the actual developers (meaning the people actually making the game) fault that some of the last few NFS games have hit a snag. We had a good think with 2015 meaning pure, underground racing. We had customization (a lot of cars lacked a lot of parts) and the performance customization was great. It was kind of on par with UG2. It was essentially a reintroduction to the UG series. Why didn't EA just improve upon that? They had a great thing going with 2015 all they needed to do was upgrade from there. Dont get me wrong, Payback was fine but there were major issues. One was lack of cops and the other was the really bad performance customization. The map was super small. We live in generation where maps are fairly large though, I loved the setting. 

What we need (which people have been asking for years) is another game like how UG or MW (05) was. They need to go back and see what were some of the best selling of all time. UG2 and MW (05) were two of the best selling games they put out. They need to go back to the model they used for those games. That was pure, awesome gameplay. UG2 had some of the best customization ever out out while MW (05) had the best story. Both of those games had huge replayability. They need something such as those games to put them back on the map. Forget politics and forget profit margins for a change and make a game that will beat all other racing games out there.

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@XGCSith wrote:
We had a good think with 2015 meaning pure, underground racing. We had customization (a lot of cars lacked a lot of parts) and the performance customization was great. It was kind of on par with UG2. It was essentially a reintroduction to the UG series.

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Two things wrong with Need For Speed 2015 (Need For Speed Reboot) that the NFS Underground games didn't have.

1. Always-Online DRM

If EA were to permanently shut down the servers for a game that you paid for, your money has gone down the drain. The game becomes unplayable.

If that were to happen (EA has a long track record for killing off games), you can't play the game 10 or 20 years later like you can with NFS Underground games.

2. Horrible driving physics

Driving physics in Need For Speed 2015 (Need For Speed Reboot) feel nothing like the driving physics in the NFS Underground games.

NFS 2015 (NFS Reboot) features drift physics that it's a necessity to drift to win races while NFS Underground games feature grip physics that it's not mandatory to drift.

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CLP122214 wrote:
Dont get me wrong, Payback was fine but there were major issues. One was lack of cops and the other was the really bad performance customization. The map was super small. We live in generation where maps are fairly large though, I loved the setting.

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NFS Payback is far from fine. Very far from it.

1. Always-online DRM

Despite the devs saying the game can be played offline, NFS Payback is secretly an online-only game.

The game has Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM inside it that requires players to periodically connect to the internet to authenticate their game to Denuvo servers before playing. If Denuvo servers get shut down temporarily or permanently, then the game is unplayable. 

2. Shipments (Loot boxes)

Players spend currency for a chance of getting things they want.

They shouldn't have to do that. Players should be able to purchase whatever they want just like in previous NFS games. Like NFS 2015 (NFS Reboot) for example.

3. Horrible driving physics (Same as NFS 2015 or NFS Reboot)

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CLP122214 wrote:
What we need (which people have been asking for years) is another game like how UG or MW (05) was. They need to go back and see what were some of the best selling of all time. UG2 and MW (05) were two of the best selling games they put out. They need to go back to the model they used for those games. That was pure, awesome gameplay. UG2 had some of the best customization ever out out while MW (05) had the best story. Both of those games had huge replayability. They need something such as those games to put them back on the map. Forget politics and forget profit margins for a change and make a game that will beat all other racing games out there.

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I like how you don't ever mention about driving physics. lmao 😃

Both the NFS Underground games and NFS Most Wanted 2005 had grip physics which added to the games' successes with NFS Underground's customization and NFS Most Wanted 2005's pursuits.

Unforunately, it's been confirmed by a Ghost Games community manager on NFS subreddit that the upcoming NFS game will feature drift physics. Not the grip driving physics from NFS Underground games and NFS Most Wanted 2005.

Link: A note on Grip vs Drift and other Handling topics

So I'm already not looking forward to the next NFS game.

Hopefully the next NFS game isn't online-only and doesn't have Denuvo Anti-Tamper because that will just make things worse if the game does have them.

@TheRealJonyYes, online only for 2015 was a major set back. I was talking in terms of cars and customization. The cars were either hars to turn or easy to drift which was a huge set back for the game. I still think 2015 is a good foundation for future NFS games. 

As far as Payback goes with the online issue you mentioned, I've never had an issue. It would just tell me to sign in online to access the store. The lootboxes I understand from a business standpoint as the prices of games are flat so they have to have other ways to bring in revenue. That's where lootboxes and different editions of games come in. As far as driving physics go on Payback, the "always drift" aspect of it is annoying but it's not a huge setback for me. 

As far as the physics go, when I mentioned that the new ones should follow the same model as the previous best selling ones, I figured I didn't need to point that out since I mentioned the future ones should be like the previous ones. I'm not saying carbon copies, just follow the same model. UG2 was best in terms of gameplay (physics included), and customization. MW (05) followed the same model but was improved upon. The only real difference was the blacklist, performance and visual customization, cars (obviously) and it was daytime. Both amazing games and both games that the future ones need to be based off of. 

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@XGCSith wrote:
As far as Payback goes with the online issue you mentioned, I've never had an issue. It would just tell me to sign in online to access the store.

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You had authenticated your game to the Denuvo servers, so you don't need to be connected to the internet right after you did that.

After a few days pass, you will need to authenticate your game again to the Denuvo servers or you won't be able to play.

Here's a video about Periodic Activation of Always-Online DRM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiwnnbrV0d8&t=184s

Just watch the first 3 minutes.

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CLP122214 wrote:
The lootboxes I understand from a business standpoint as the prices of games are flat so they have to have other ways to bring in revenue. That's where lootboxes and different editions of games come in.

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Did you know loot boxes in video games are frowned upon by the sane part of the gaming community?

There are a lot and a lot of YouTube videos discussing about loot boxes and how it's very detrimental to the gaming industry.

People don't want to gamble in video games. They want to buy things that are 100% guaranteed to be given to them upon purchase.

DLCs and expansions are 100% guaranteed to be given if purchased. Useful loot box goodies are NOT 100% guaranteed.

By the way, God of War and Spider-Man for PS4 both sold really really well in 2018. And both of them don't have loot boxes in the games.

Casinos exist for the sole purpose of gambling. It shouldn't had made its way to video games.

Its simple IMHO and keep in mind this is a huge NFS fan saying this,  the next one will be in the same state as the last 2 i bet everything on it. Look Its has come to a point were cost  have risen and bottom lines rule the final decisions so no matter how bad we want these things in the next NFS its not going to happen. Only time we will see any of our suggestion in game is if some suit guy in accounting feels that it will generate a dollar value. I get that games have to make money don't get me wrong but how hard is it to conclude that if tons of people are willing to PAY MONEY for something then just make it !! . Why is it always what they think will sell that ends up as final product instead of what tons of people want. No one can please 100% of every one but wouldn't it make sense to please 80 of the buyers instead of aggravating them with what thy don't want and losing it all . Listen if I go to a restaurant and ask for soup and keep getting a salad i can tell you after a few times its over and done with and they wont hear from me again. Selling people what they want should not be rocket science jeez !!  ☹️

@TheRealJony

My friend , it is a arcade game let the driving physics issue go 😛

" im joking around with you  "

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@master2g wrote:

TheRealJony

My friend , it is a arcade game let the driving physics issue go 😛

" im joking around with you  "

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I'm not gonna bite your head off. I'm not that vicious. XD

I did my fair share of complaining about the driving physics, but I would have bigger complaints about a game with always-online DRM.

If a NFS game has drift physics but can be played offline, I would be frustrated with driving all the cars but I can at least play the game offline after 10 years. (I would still complain about the drift physics)

If a NFS game has grip physics but only can be played online, I would enjoy driving all the cars but the game is a ticking time bomb with an unknown expiration date.

It's known that NFS 2015 (NFS Reboot) is an online-only game.

It's been told that NFS Payback can be played offline, but it's really an online-only game in disguise. The Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM inside the game files makes it an online-only game by locking players out of their game they purchased unless they connect to the internet to authenticate their game to Denuvo servers before playing. And Denuvo servers could permanently shut down too, making the games unplayable forever.

Hopefully the upcoming NFS game doesn't have any kind of online requirement or it will add to the list of things I dislike about it.

@TheRealJony

Sadly your right and Always-Online DRM: was created to stop pirates of video games.

However, when its added to a game by the creator as the video pointed out, it also in time will stop paying customers too.

This is a bad system for all players, and is very flawed.

I think this is just as bad as Micro transactions in video games!

The consumer loses in the end.

1.) We lose Time

2.) We lose Money.

3.) We lose our games we pay for if we can't get proper authentication from Always-Online DRM.

Thanks for sharing the video and I just wanted to add a few more points to what your shared.

Have a great day! :eahigh_file:

@BVBgamer88 

Yes, I agree it' Time for EA & Ghost Studios to wake up and get back to open world races!

I have been playing NFS since the first game came out in early 1990's.

Heck I'm so old I was around before Atari Video games came out in the 1970's. LoL 😁.

I still prefer playing the old NFS over the new junk EA has been pouring out like sewage the last decade or so. 

Now I realize all corporations bottom line is making money.

However, the way EA has been going forward, has been less than approved of by many game player's!

It's time to tell EA to stop all the Micro Transactions, and stop adding DRM to video games they tell their studios hired out to create.

Also, many have explained that the cheap visual effects need to be fixed.

Things like shadows, sun, Moon and other colors themes need serious work. 

The game could be so much more realistic and fans expect top quality in their games.

Have a great day 😁😎