Content creation is happening in the form of R5 which is a version of apex. It’s actually a ton of fun. They crunched numbers and found .15 to be the balance between aim assist and mouse and keyboard inputs. Listen to professional apex player Naughty and Enoch discuss the topic.https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/144vgzm/naughty_is_all_for_an_aim_assist_nerf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

@TspinI watched some of that. It's bubble think. It's a bunch of players who all happen to be at the same skill and experience levels and they want the game to be tailored to their personal preferences. And those skill and experience levels are, I would wager, far in excess of those of normal, casual, everyday players. Who, in case we forget, make up the vast majority of the player base.

There was a study done to determine the aim assist debate for controller/PC and a determination of why. A program run thousands of simulator runs much like the one used in the canceled show ( The Deadliest Warrior) to bridge the gap between console and PC. Look that up and you'll see real professionals on why it is what it is. People that play video games and stream to make money IMO are not gaming professionals. The ones that make the programming, algorithm, do the coding and so fourth... those IMO are the professionals. The others, are just people who play too much video games in life and don't contribute a whole lot to society. I will desperately try and find this study and post it here as soon as I can. I would love to hear the comments from the PC players and rollers after seeing it.

When professionals talk about anything in life, non professionals listen to professionals You can’t ignore what they’re saying because they are professionals, that’s not how life worksAim assist gives players 0ms reaction time.Aim assist ignores visual clutter.Aim assist ignores fatigue.Aim assist forces players who want to be competitive to play with a controller because aim assist give the input way to much valueAim assist is a over-tuned and needs to be nerfed severely Aim assist makes it so controller players don’t even have to predict where to shoot because it automatically tracks players

@Tspin Nah. If I have some understanding of the topic then I won't listen to an illogical opinion. If I have 0 understanding then I'll blindly listen to whatever I'm told. Like when my doctor tells me to consume X amount of poison until the pain goes away.If the pros say dumb things then I'll accept it's ONLY a reality at the level they're playing or just idiotic bias from another biased person.The list you made is also laughably untrue if taken at face value. If we assume you're exaggerating to be dramatic then some of it is technically true but meaningfully worthless.

@reconzero Thank you, that is more what I meant to say... you said it better. These pros (not all of them) usually complain for what is best for them. It is their income and livelihood after all. So exactly what you said... definitely with a grain of salt.

Aim assist - Feedback from professionals

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reconzero
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Tspin

I watched some of that. It's bubble think. It's a bunch of players who all happen to be at the same skill and experience levels and they want the game to be tailored to their personal preferences. And those skill and experience levels are, I would wager, far in excess of those of normal, casual, everyday players. Who, in case we forget, make up the vast majority of the player base.
Tspin
2 years ago
When professionals talk about anything in life, non professionals listen to professionals
You can’t ignore what they’re saying because they are professionals, that’s not how life works
Aim assist gives players 0ms reaction time.
Aim assist ignores visual clutter.
Aim assist ignores fatigue.
Aim assist forces players who want to be competitive to play with a controller because aim assist give the input way to much value
Aim assist is a over-tuned and needs to be nerfed severely
Aim assist makes it so controller players don’t even have to predict where to shoot because it automatically tracks players
drevinum9
2 years ago
@reconzero I have no problems for players wanting to be causal, let them be causal controller players in public matches, but, remove them from being able to play ranked, it is destroying the experience!
Zamaha400
2 years ago
@Tspin Nah. If I have some understanding of the topic then I won't listen to an illogical opinion. If I have 0 understanding then I'll blindly listen to whatever I'm told. Like when my doctor tells me to consume X amount of poison until the pain goes away.
If the pros say dumb things then I'll accept it's ONLY a reality at the level they're playing or just idiotic bias from another biased person.
The list you made is also laughably untrue if taken at face value. If we assume you're exaggerating to be dramatic then some of it is technically true but meaningfully worthless.
ComicBookGuy2727
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
There was a study done to determine the aim assist debate for controller/PC and a determination of why. A program run thousands of simulator runs much like the one used in the canceled show ( The Deadliest Warrior) to bridge the gap between console and PC. Look that up and you'll see real professionals on why it is what it is.
People that play video games and stream to make money IMO are not gaming professionals. The ones that make the programming, algorithm, do the coding and so fourth... those IMO are the professionals.
The others, are just people who play too much video games in life and don't contribute a whole lot to society.
I will desperately try and find this study and post it here as soon as I can. I would love to hear the comments from the PC players and rollers after seeing it.
Asmodeus566
Hero+
2 years ago
@ComicBookGuy2727 wrote:

There was a study done to determine the aim assist debate for controller/PC and a determination of why. A program run thousands of simulator runs much like the one used in the canceled show ( The Deadliest Warrior) to bridge the gap between console and PC. Look that up and you'll see real professionals on why it is what it is.

People that play video games and stream to make money IMO are not gaming professionals. The ones that make the programming, algorithm, do the coding and so fourth... those IMO are the professionals.

The others, are just people who play too much video games in life and don't contribute a whole lot to society.

I will desperately try and find this study and post it here as soon as I can. I would love to hear the comments from the PC players and rollers after seeing it.

Sounds fun cant wait to see your post.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Tspin

They're not doctors. They're hedge fund managers. Take anything they say with a grain of salt. It's primarily self-serving.
ComicBookGuy2727
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
I searched for over 2 and a half hours for this online on my days off, could not find it. I can't remember which company did the study either. This was about 3 years ago, maybe more.
They ran all these cool, firing and aim training programs with a bunch of random gamers on console and PC. This program took everything into play such as PC movement, key binding, Console's stick play and many many other factors.
They ran these programs and had two individuals on both inputs that matched almost identically in the simulator programs and then pitted them against each other in hundreds and hundreds of 1 V 1 battles and adjust accordingly until such a time that both player were batting 500.
It was literally like The Deadliest Warrior show.
ComicBookGuy2727
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@reconzero Thank you, that is more what I meant to say... you said it better. These pros (not all of them) usually complain for what is best for them. It is their income and livelihood after all. So exactly what you said... definitely with a grain of salt.
WTF_Huitzo
2 years ago
Decent fps nowadays delete aim assist , only terrible games keep it.