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Kinesis862's avatar
3 years ago

Average Player Escaping Silver Solo: Difficult because of hot dropping mindset.

To start with, pub matchmaking is horrible for players who don't play regularly since season 0. You are just there to feed the apex predators for their warmups, or you end up on their team and spend most of your time just trying to catch up to their break neck pace. Neither is fun, so the only hope you have left of not getting constantly melted by pros with perfect aim or being a spectator on your own team is to try ranked.

As someone who played season 0 and only occasionally comes back, as well as being a solo-que player, its not unreasonable to find myself around gold this season. I play tactically but my aim is not the laser pointer aimbot level of the people who regularly play, and I play plenty of non-meta legends. The fact I am basically perpetually stuck around Silver 1 is not really that unexpected, but WHY I am perpetually Silver 1, that is far more interesting.

What I am seeing the most is that bronzes are hell bent on hot dropping fragment this season because the punishment for a quick death is basically invalidated by getting one kill for them. Mind you that is only for them, I still get dragged into their hotdrops because of matchmaking and it just results in a slow death by constant hot drops.


I actually ask them outright why they keep hotdropping fragment even though they keep getting wrecked and their answers are usually:

  • I just want to fight now (but don't want to play arenas for some reason, or acknowledge that fighting with no weapons in a full lobby hotdrop is not really a fight)
  • Its only a small amount of RP, outweighed by one kill (even though for silver its not the case)
  • We will be the squad that wins (which is rarely if ever the case, even stat wise being that 1/12 that lives is rare)

Even when I try to explain to them that literally just surviving the first ring closure (which usually ends in 9 or less squads remaining...) is more RP they still just hot drop fragment anyway and well...

What usually happens is more:

  • We don't get weapons, get wrecked within a minute of drop
  • We get weapons, still get wrecked by one of the the other 10 squads and still lose RP despite getting a kill.
  • The movement based characters bail, leaving the team to fend for themselves, usually ending in them getting ran over by a team later on without a kill.
  • We somehow survive, regroup, and ultimately get ran over by the well equipped pro squad somehow in a bronze lobby and break even or lose RP.
  • The team bails early, barely equipped, and gets ran over by a team that did not hot drop when we try to loot their area.

So basically that is what I am seeing down here in ordinary solo-que ranked player-vill. Silvers and even golds are getting dragged down into hot drops by bronze/silver teammates who don't really seem to get or care about the new RP system. Then of course matchmaking, the wonder that it is, keeps putting me in teams with these same people multiple times in a row even after we all just died to a hot drop or reckless behavior.


Weirder yet down here is the number of people with godlike aim that are still bronze some how. I suspect its because they don't play well with their team and usually get third partied before the first ring even closes, but they still just melt you on first contact with long range R99s followed up by R301s.

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  • @Kinesis862 

    Actually, hot dropping IS the best strategy to play if you are at a bronze-to-gold level. Perhaps not necciserly SUPER HOT, but I would still say that always jumping with at least 1-2 other squads is the way to go: Why? Because if you play "strategically" and cheese your way to RP gain by jumping safe and hide most of the match,  you will fall behind the skill curve so hard and rank up far above the rank that ACTUALLY fits your skill level.

    Now someone will maybe say "but playing strategically is also skill"... Yes it is. But its an INTELLECTUAL skill which doesnt take that much practice. Sure, there are some players, even high elo, who just cant see how to circle to avoid choke points and bad positioning BUT for most, normal intelligence players, this is rather a mindset than a skill. But the skill of actually winning fights is 90% muscle memory and 10% intellectual. You just need the hours put into the game to increase those skills and its way better to do this continuously during your rank climb even if it will be a little slower. 


    Bascially; fighting your way through the ranks will make your skill match your current rank which is a good thing for you and your gaming experience in the long run.

     

  • @Kinesis862

    Curious why someone who only plays once in a while chooses ranked instead of pubs?

    One of the things I hate about ranked is that conventional wisdom forces you to go where your team goes and do what your team does, and that's confirmed by your description of being forced into hot drops. But in my experience, and apparently yours as well, the team is almost always wrong, so why would you choose ranked where you are punished for their bad decisions or punished by having to solo through without squadmates? Seems like a no-win to me.
  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Balladalidila

    "But the skill of actually winning fights is 90% muscle memory ..."

    I know intellectually that what you are saying is true. The problem is that no matter how hard you grind to improve, there will still always be people who destroy you, causing you to question the true value of the effort you make, and there's the guarantee that sbmm will push you harder and harder until you finally hit the point where you are literally bleeding out your eyeballs and accomplishing nothing.

    I understand why people want to improve at the game, but to me it really looks like, from an outcome standpoint, everything in this game is weighted against you for trying to get better. The better you get, the heavier the weight. Yes? No?
  • @reconzeroI put the reason I chose ranked in the first part of the post:

    "To start with, pub matchmaking is horrible for players who don't play regularly since season 0. You are just there to feed the apex predators for their warmups, or you end up on their team and spend most of your time just trying to catch up to their break neck pace. Neither is fun, so the only hope you have left of not getting constantly melted by pros with perfect aim or being a spectator on your own team is to try ranked.

  • Kinesis862's avatar
    Kinesis862
    3 years ago

    @BalladalidilaAs I put in the OP, the issue is not my tactical skill, I am just not that young and aim train every day. My mechanical aiming skill is pretty average and I don't play hyper aggressively because of it. So hotdrop is objectively the worst for me and is the sole reason I lose RP. I have gained plenty of RP from only having a single fight with the last two squads, but I have lost a considerable amount to hotdrops.

    There really is no skill involved with a lobby wide hot drop, its just "did you get a gun? No? GG. Yes? Well now you have to fight about seven squads and hope not only you but your entire team comes out on top."

    Meanwhile I have gotten RP from Crypto reviving all the way to the end and getting no kills. One clearly works, the other is almost always a losing proposition.

  • Balladalidila's avatar
    Balladalidila
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @Kinesis862 

    I think you are missing my point. I understand that you have a higher chance of gaining RPs by not dropping hot and not playing aggressively and if gaining the highest possible rank is your main goal with this game, then thats OK. 

    My point is that I see no reason to rush up through the ranks if you know that your actual fighting skills are below average at your current rank. You just shoot yourself in the foot since you eventually will reach a rank where you literally cant kill a single enemy. But you play this game however you want ofc. 

    To put it in another way: If you find it difficult to escape Silver as a solo player, then perhaps this just means that your actual fighting/aim skill is below silver average. So whats the hurry to gold if you cant even fight your way through silver? Why not fight and fight and fight in silver and perhaps be demoted to bronze where it supposedly is a bit easier? And down in bronze, keep fighting and fighting and become better and better and when you are able to fight your way to silver, then hopefully your skill has increased to a more suitable level for silver etc etc

  • Kinesis862's avatar
    Kinesis862
    3 years ago

    @BalladalidilaAgain like I said in the OP, the weirdest part about this all is that rank clearly does not denote physical skill in bronze through early gold. I have been melted on contact by bronze 4s with the aim of a apex pred, but have had evenly matched fights with golds all the time.

    That is the point to be had here, you don't get stuck at silver 1 because of your skill as a solo-que, you get stuck because of hot drops. Skill wise I should probably be stuck somewhere in gold, but its incredibly slow to escape silver 1 because of all the bronzes and even silvers that still hotdrop dragging you down with them. I have had golds as well I get matched with that are fed up with silvers and below because they too keep getting dragged down into hot drops.

    I actually remember when I first climbed up from rookie during the last split and said "why are there so many golds in my lobby, that can't be fair." But now I realize that when I get melted on contact by someone with pred like skills, it actually tends to be a bronze player that does it. Meanwhile gold's tend to share my level of aiming skill.

  • Balladalidila's avatar
    Balladalidila
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @Kinesis862 

    First of all, I must clearify that when I say hot drops, I dont mean crazy hot drops with 5-6 other teams. I mean dropping in an area with 1-2 other teams, starting fairly spread out. 

    But I think you still are miss my point. When you say " you don't get stuck at silver 1 because of your skill as a solo-que, you get stuck because of hot drops."  then yes you are correct. You could probably gain alot of RPs by dropping alone, play passively, wait for top 4 and then go for a strategical third party fight. But MY point is that playing like this, as a low elo player (no offense), is to shoot yourself in the foot, because it wont get better in Gold...And gold players who play like this and get promoted to Plat wont have an i easier time in Plat. So in a way, you are also incorrect with that statement. I would but it like this "IF you get stuck at silver 1 as a solo-que when hot dropping, you probably SHOULDNT go to gold yet, even if you could by playing passively and safe all time"

    So all am saying is that I think low/mid elo players (which I would say are players who struggle figh-wise in bronze to gold) rather should take the opportunity to fight as much as they can while down in bronze/silver lobbies and NOT focus so much in cheesing their way to Gold. But once again; that is just MY opinion; people can play this game however they want =) 

    But whatever. Seems like we just look at the game totally differently. By best advice is to get two premades who also want to play more passively. That is really the only solution that works in your situation. And if you for some reason cant or wont play with premades, then I suggest that you play more egoistically. If your teammates jump hot, consider breaking away and do your thing. If your aggro teammates run too far in the fight, run the other way to safety =) But dont forget to mute the team channel if you are sensitive to insults hahah

    PS just for the record; this game is terrible for solo queue and I wouldnt recommend that too anyone unless you are super tilt-proof.  Bottom line; in solo queue ranked, you are the teams * so if you choose to play this game solo in ranked, then accept that or just mind your own business and only do whats best for you in every situation. 

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